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Thread: What a lovely new breed of Chimaera Entertainers *cough* *sigh*
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Durinthiam
Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:19 am
#1
Last night (well this morning after server reset) I paid a visit to Theed Cantina and already 4 entertainers AFK and one scantily clad Apprentice Dancer with no afk tag, so i sit down to meditate and the usual greetings and /smile etc and then this lovely conversation by far the best ive had in SWG so far *cough* /sarcasm.
Is it me or is this new breed of entertainer spreading faster than that of the AFK virus? Is it so wrong to make conversation with customers to the cantina? rather than get tipped for setting a macro and using emotes I know which i prefer
Furnora my dear, get and sort this one out
Is it me or is this new breed of entertainer spreading faster than that of the AFK virus? Is it so wrong to make conversation with customers to the cantina? rather than get tipped for setting a macro and using emotes I know which i prefer
Furnora my dear, get and sort this one out
Message Edited by Durinthiam on 11-27-2004 05:21 PM
Pappi
Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:37 am
#2
some folks have never left their house, hence don't understand this thing called "communication". they simply don't know better, just ignore them 
Isleh
Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:19 pm
#3
/comfort Durinthiam
Durinthiam wrote: Last night (well this morning after server reset) I paid a visit to Theed Cantina and already 4 entertainers AFK and one scantily clad Apprentice Dancer with no afk tag, so i sit down to meditate and the usual greetings and /smile etc and then this lovely conversation by far the best ive had in SWG so far *cough* /sarcasm. Is it me or is this new breed of entertainer spreading faster than that of the AFK virus? Is it so wrong to make conversation with customers to the cantina? rather than get tipped for setting a macro and using emotes I know which i prefer Furnora my dear, get and sort this one out
Message Edited by Durinthiam on 11-27-2004 05:21 PM
I always try to make conversation but sometimes the customerjust don't want to. I usually /greet and /smile and if they respond, start with something easy like "how are you".
Is there a conversation 101 thread here? Unfortunatly Durinthiam, those AFK entertainers would probably never enter this forum to see it. Maybe if the helper droid that everyone gets gave a conversation 101 to the new entertainer? Maybe,
"As an Entertainer, you major source of income will be tips you receive from your customers. You will not get many tips or any tips worth your effort if you are zoned out ( AFK ) while in the cantina. The first thing you need to do is to aknowledge your customer. A smile (/smile) or a simple greeting ( /greet ) usually works. Try it. The next person that enters the cantina, smile at or greet them."
etc.
I have never gotten to see what 'help' a Helper Droid offers a newEntertainer. Is it anything useful?
Eaca
Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:37 am
#4
I don't know, she smiles at you SAYS hello, then winks, and you imidiately lay into her about how she should make conversation? You never even said "hi" back, how do you know all she was going to do was emote at you? Your first reply "That's not going to get you a tip". Ok, you say you used to be an entertainer, what kind of a mood would it put you in if you did what she did to you and your first reply was "That's not going to get you a tip". Personally, I think you were in the wrong here, she was friendly, you were cold and harsh to her, if I got that kind of reply from a customer, I wouldn't want thier money either.
Also judging from past experience and reading her sentance structure I'd give a 75% or higher chance that she's foreign, and english isn't her first language, anyway I think your reaction to her there and posting about it here speaks much lower of you than her.
Message Edited by Eaca on 11-29-2004 03:32 AM
Maisland
Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:24 pm
#5
It takes 2 to hold a conversation. As has been pointed out, that entertainer started one and instead of even saying "hi" back, you virtually attacked her. I, myself will open the ball by /greeting people. This allows them to respond or not... their choice. One reason why I do this is because not everyone wants to talk to the entertainers... and by /greeting people and allowing them to respond or not, I am able to sort out those who do want to talk from those who don't.
Isleh
Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:33 am
#6
Maisland wrote:
It takes 2 to hold a conversation. As has been pointed out, that entertainer started one and instead of even saying "hi" back, you virtually attacked her. I, myself will open the ball by /greeting people. This allows them to respond or not... their choice. One reason why I do this is because not everyone wants to talk to the entertainers... and by /greeting people and allowing them to respond or not, I am able to sort out those who do want to talk from those who don't.
I think the frustration of AFKers just got to Durinthiam. Right or wrong in what he did, the heart is in the right place.
I can't pont a finger and say "Shame on You" either because I've over reacted too with the power-up slicing issue with someone asking for a "guaranteed" slice.
But yes Durinthiam, starting out with a /greet, /smile or a simple "Hi %NT" in chat helps sort out those who come in for a heal and conversation and those who come in just because it's a good place to log out at.
PoetDancer
Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:32 pm
#7
There is a learning curve to these professions, and it takes time to learn what works and what doesn't in the cantina. Hopefully, she'll get better.
kirah_ashlin
Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:06 pm
#8
I have to admit that I didn't get the concern over the conversation either - no offense, Durinthiam. I was expecting her to be rude or outrageous or some such thing and she wasn't. She was using one of the most commonly used game mechanics - the emote.
I always emote a /greet or /welcome to every person who walks in the cantina. One reason is because it's far too easy to mess up someone's name by trying to type it out. I know, I used to do that. I then start up a conversation with them if they appear to stop and notice me. I often emote /smile, /blush, /grin, etc. during that conversation, also - just like I do with my friends when outside the cantina.
/shurg I didn't see anything out of the ordinary that would warrantthat dancerbeing run up the yard post. But, then - I wasn't there . . . who knows. Maybe she was making faces, too. /giggle
Eaca
Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:59 am
#9
/emote wonders if the people agreeing with Durinthiam are reading the same conversation she is.....
Isleh
Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:57 am
#10
kirah_ashlin wrote:
I have to admit that I didn't get the concern over the conversation either - no offense, Durinthiam. I was expecting her to be rude or outrageous or some such thing and she wasn't. She was using one of the most commonly used game mechanics - the emote.
I always emote a /greet or /welcome to every person who walks in the cantina. One reason is because it's far too easy to mess up someone's name by trying to type it out. I know, I used to do that. I then start up a conversation with them if they appear to stop and notice me. I often emote /smile, /blush, /grin, etc. during that conversation, also - just like I do with my friends when outside the cantina.
/shurg I didn't see anything out of the ordinary that would warrantthat dancerbeing run up the yard post. But, then - I wasn't there . . . who knows. Maybe she was making faces, too. /giggle
"%NT" in chat is the dancers friend Kirah. When you have someone is selected, the "%NT" is replaced with the selectedperson's first name.
So, if you had me selected and typed "Hi %NT" ( it has to be in caps ) in spatial, then what you and everyone else will see is "Hi Isleh-lin"
look here 
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=game_guides&message.id=169121
Reachwind
Sun Dec 05, 2004 3:45 am
#12
Entertainers are not bar tenders. We are entertainers. Just because you like to be a bar tender does not mean that every other entertainer playing the game has to be a carbon copy of your method.
Some of the most wonderful performances I have seen and participated in used ONLY emotes mixed with dance and music for effect. IMO people talking while playing a traz for instance is just as imersion breaking as having a nasty busy body bust into the middle of a performance and explain the proper way to do what I enjoy doing. If you don't like that this entertainer prefers to utilize emotes in the performance, don't watch or listen. If you think you might want to encourage more people to play in the manner you perfer to watch or listen actively tip the people that are doing that style of performance.
What you did was flat out rude.
Some of the most wonderful performances I have seen and participated in used ONLY emotes mixed with dance and music for effect. IMO people talking while playing a traz for instance is just as imersion breaking as having a nasty busy body bust into the middle of a performance and explain the proper way to do what I enjoy doing. If you don't like that this entertainer prefers to utilize emotes in the performance, don't watch or listen. If you think you might want to encourage more people to play in the manner you perfer to watch or listen actively tip the people that are doing that style of performance.
What you did was flat out rude.
Maisland
Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:59 pm
#13
Whoa...
Warryyr wrote:
Um, it looks to me like you were propositioning her to cyber.
I hadn't caught that. My mind just doesn't work that way...I know that I would have been insulted if I had been her, but I would not have thought that I was being propositioned. Now I'm wondering if I've been propositioned before and just didn't realize it.
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