Entertainer Archive
Thread: I am TIRED of hearing that AFK Macro doesn't hurt other entertainers
It's the respect we get. What does master musician or dancer mean? To most people, it means macroer. It doesn't matter if the master in question was there 100% of the time, people see it and think macros.
We are laughed at by other professions. Ridiculed. Told we should be happy to get the xp from performing. Why? Because our profession is a joke. Because of the AFK people.
When it was just in the corner, I could overlook it. But I walk into the Theed cantina, and the ENTIRE SPACE is filled with (AFK) tags. Those that aren't (AFK) just turned their auto-AFK off.
So down with all AFK macroers. You aren't entertainers, you are a disgrace! I used to be tolerant, but the problem has just gotten worse and worse. I know I'm not alone in saying I almost never perform in public cantinas anymore because I am just sick of the atmosphere there.
I think all 3 performing professions should have this in their top 5 issues for the next report, not just the pet issue of the entertainer correspondant. The fact that nobody has even tried to defend AFK macroers in this thread speaks volums. The closest is Hijo's post that is neutral towards them.
Im 2 boxes away from master musician and 2 boxes away from master entertainer.
the only time I go afk is to get coffee, use the bathroom,or get a bite to eat.
macro's bah who needs it. I prefer to compose songs with almost nonstop flourishes.
I see 75% of the dancers and musicians go afk 75% of the time.
frankly their is nothing wrong with them afk macroing. If you need BF and mind wounds healed they are there for you. If you want conversations why dont you get it from the group that your supposed to be hunting with,
If your the solo type then find the people who are not afk and willing to talk. there is quite a few who are greatful for the conversation,heals and tips.
you wonder why their is no entertainers in the cantinas in certain cities? your attitude towards them is frankly rotten. they get better treatment from medics who heal them nonstop then from people to lazy to tip for wounds healed.
you are receiving treatmentfor wounds and BF and not tipping 90% of the time because they are afk.
you are receiving services and not paying a dime. wish that could happen in real life, goto a concert for free, see a doc for free, get medicine to heal for free.
and you wonder why they go afk, why shouldnt they tipping is voluntary which means they get jack squat for their time. you go out and get xp and credits at the same time as your lvling. sure you risk death but your rewards are greater. what reward is there for becoming a master dancer or entertainer or musician? none except the knowledge that you dont have to grind away at dancing/playing musicanymore.
I need that command to switch instruments without a break in the music while solo.
Lorilei wrote:
My solution toLong-term AFK Macro Entertaining (LAME for short... /chuckle /snort):
- Remove the "DANCENAME" option from the "/startdance DANCENAME" command, and the "SONGNAME" option from the"/startmusic SONGNAME" command. Leave it just at "/startdance" and "/startmusic". This brings up the dance/song selection window. Like crafting and Image Designing, this requires a non-macroable mouse-click. This means that if theentertainer stops for any reason, including tiring out, that they will need a mouseclick to resume. This also means eliminating the default dance/song options from the Actions menu, and just replacing it with a "StartDance" and "StartMusic" icon.This onechange alone will cut LAMEing down significantly.
The game devs aren't interested in stopping unattended macro entertainers. Those of us who were in beta made a number of good suggestions and instead of doing something that would have been beneficial the devs chose instead to kill bandflourish experience.
Tiaga wrote:
We are laughed at by other professions. Ridiculed. Told we should be happy to get the xp from performing. Why? Because our profession is a joke. Because of the AFK people.
To be fair, you can't lay the blame for this 100% at the feet of the LAMErs (Long-term Afk Macro Entertainers -- oh how I love that acronym). They are a big chunk of the problem to be sure, but, it is also true that most of the people who don't respect the profession don't respect it because they think "real" online gaming is about killing things and looting their corpses. Since we don't do that, we get no respect, LAMErs notwithstanding.
Certainly, there are people who would otherwise respect us but are fed up with LAMErs. But, it's not just them. Much of it is the attitude of the l33t d00dz.
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Well, I have read all the posts in this thread. Before I get to what it is I want to say, I give a little background.
I am relatively new to the game. I've played 3 or 4 weeks now. My primary profession is unarmed-combat. If you know anything about it, it too has ALOT of problems from what everyone else is saying. Me? I just go out and kill stuff, if I can... die if I can't. I also took up scouting. I thought it would help. Then, I decided to take of playing an instrument.
Why? Because I wish to help others and myself with fatigue, I've picked up the profession. That was it.
Do I care about tips? No! I play the instrument to help the people I may group with in the wilderness and myself.
Do I expect tips? No. If you watch me, I get exp. That is payment in-and-of itself. Sure, I'll take tips but I do not expect it.
Now, in regards to the AFK or LAMErs, I have spent maybe 5% of my time in the profession AFK but I see absolutely no problem with people doing this, including myself, if I so choose. If you walk into the bar and just want some regeneration, then get it. Does it really matter of the entertainer is AFK or not?
The answer is YES it does matter. If you want to Role-play, chat, etc. go for the one that is there providing the better entertainment. Give them tips. Clap, cheer, jump up and down. Go for it. But if you just want a quick fix and there is a lowly AFK entertainer there just trying to up his/her skill to be better prepared to go out and hunt IMPS or whatever.... is that not their choice?
I also have medic skills. Do I really care whom I am healing to get my exp? Well, sort of.... heal the ones who need it most and heal as much as you can afford to.
I see a lot of complaining in the post but I ask you this.... How many of you "ENTERTAINERS" have EVER tipped a Medic who healed you so YOU could keep playing/dancing? Well? I bet there are very few of you. Is there a difference between what you are doing and what they are doing?
What I have read here in these posts is nothing more then how you want other to play the game. You want them to play it the way you want. Who cares what they want or what their motives are. I’m sure it is not you. All you want is what is in it for you.
Like in the real world... there are many entertainers that love to entertain but have to find some other job to support them. That is reality. Go find another skill to make you money if that is what is so important. I know I have. I have fun playing my tunes. I like listening to it also but I also figure I can stand there, play my tunes for others, let them benefit from the music as well, and if I wish to step away from the machine for some time, so be it. If I have AFK above my head, DON"T tip. Actually, even if I am there, I'm there for the EXP, not the coin.
Now, someone asked for the opinions of an AFK player. Even though I, like I said, have done that for a short period of time, as I suspect many of you complainers have done as well, I don't consider myself an AFK player but will defend them and allow them to play the game however they want to.... NOT how you want them to. If fact, after reading this, I feel more inclined to do my own thing then to group with a bunch of complainers, snobbs, like those in this post.
If this is really a HUGE game issue that is unbalancing, etc.... I suspect it will eventually get fixed. I do think there have been some good suggestions also. But I also think we have a bunch of cry babies wanting something over someone else because they feel the way they want to play the game makes them some how better then the next person.
I end my rant there. Go ahead and flame if you want to though if it make you feel any better. I challenge you to come up with an argument though that will display a game unbalancing effect as apposed to a what I want wahhhh post.
Let people play the game. Let them play it how they want to. This is everyones game, not yours.
Sincerely,
Your part-time Musician
baracu wrote:Do I expect tips? No. If you watch me, I get exp. That is payment in-and-of itself. Sure, I'll take tips but I do not expect it.
Then I assume when you go on a destroy mission you don't look for money either, right? Because unless your experience is different from mine you get XP for klling things, so you should not expect to be paid on top of that. And I assume that people who craft things should just give them away for free, right? They already got some xp for making the item and heck they will get more if I use it, so they should just give it away? Oh but they had to survey for resources -- no, wait, they got XP for that too.
If you take the position that gaining XP for something = don't get paid for it, there would be no money in the game.
baracu wrote:How many of you "ENTERTAINERS" have EVER tipped a Medic who healed you so YOU could keep playing/dancing? Well? I bet there are very few of you.
A couple of points here. First, this seems to contradict your earlier assertion that dancers should not expect to be paid since they got XP. If the healer is getting XP why should we tip him? Oh, I see, it doesn't work for everyone to get no money if they get xp, just entertainers? And if nobody is tipping us, where in the galaxy are we going to get the money to tip medics?
That said, I do tip medics if they spend a long time healing me (if they want it -- most say it is not necessary). If a medic with mind wounds and BF comes in and chooses to stimpack me instead of paying money, I consider that a fair exchange -- he heals me, I heal him. If he then sticks around for 45 mintes or something, healing me the whole time, long after his mind wounds are fixed, then I tip him back. This hasn't happened a lot, but the couple of times it has, they have told me "not necessary" and one person has given the money back. Nevertheless I will keep doing it if the situation arises.
But you can't have it both ways there. Which seems like how you are trying to have it.
baracu wrote:Like in the real world... there are many entertainers that love to entertain but have to find some other job to support them. That is reality. Go find another skill to make you money if that is what is so important. I know I have.
I sort of agree with you here, and in fact my PC has 2 other skills she uses to augment her salary -- crafting, and rifle shooting (under marksman, NOT rifleman, at least for a while yet). I enjoy all 3 activities and recently got scouting for her as well just to see what that is like (with the intention of giving it up the instant I am strapped for skill points).
However, don't you see the message this sends? Save the healing classes (Ents, Medics), all other classes in the game are capable of fully supporting themselves financially. If you just want to be a TKA, and nothing else, you will make a fine living with kill and explore missions, for thousands of credits a pop (I just today did a 45 kill explore mission and made almost 5K in under an hour). If you are a crafter you can make a fine living building houses or whatever, and never have to pick up a gun if you don't want.
Why must entertainers and medics be any different? Why should these noncombat classes -- which in principle were put into the game so people who don't like killing and grinding and stuff like that could play in the SW universe and have fun --, why should they and they alone be incapable of being financially self-sufficient?
When a TKA complains that knockdown is "nerfed" and now he can't kill anything, should the rifleman next door say, "Dude, take up rifle?" Of course not. If you want to play a particular profession, you should be able to make an OK living at it. Maybe not get rich, but OK.
It should not be true that I can run crafting and explore missions with my dancer and make as much in a weekend as I made entertaining in 3.5 weeks. Yet, that's exactly what I did this weekend (because my server had login issues and nobody was around to entertain in cantinas anyway, so I did a bunch of solo missions to pass the time).
Now, I play a character who is, first and foremost, a dancer, and always will be. She loves it (the character). I love it (the player). I won't ever stop... But not everyone is going to be so altruistic -- in fact few, even if they love the class, are -- and if you drive the people who love entertainment out of the game you will be hosed in the long run. Because the LAMErs are not going to stick around. After they hit master, almost every one I have ever seen, never shows his/her face in the cantina again. How are you going to get healed then, eh? (And btw the same goes for medics/med centers, it just takes too long to type both.)
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. As for the afk entertainers. I cant stand it. I think its fine if they were in some corner of the cantina by themselves out of view or in thier own house or Pa afk macroing. But when you go to a cantina trying to find a group to join and all the entertainers but one are afk playing and the leader of the group is afk is just frustrating. I end up leaving the cantina and trying to find a smaller one where there isnt as many AFK people. AFK macroing is hurting the image of entertainers and should be stopped but I dont wnat them to get rid of macros for it since I use them to compose songs using flourishes.
I'm sorry, but lots of people are going to find entertainers a joke, particularly male dancers (like it or not), whether or not people are AFK'ing. I mean, even someone who has leveled a master musician/dancer without macroing really isn't in the same class of respect as I would have for a master bounty hunter, I think most of us would agree on that. Mastering music and dance just doesn't take any skill, what type of respect do you think you should have simply for being a master at one of them?
On the other hand, if you are truly a good entertainer, you will get respect... but it has nothing to do with your title, and it certainly has nothing to do with whether or not someone in the room is afk dancing or not. Everyone is responsible for how well respected they are.
On the other hand, if you are truly a good entertainer, you will get respect... but it has nothing to do with your title, and it certainly has nothing to do with whether or not someone in the room is afk dancing or not. Everyone is responsible for how well respected they are.
That's right. Same goes for bounty hunter. I don't respect someone because of his title. Bounty Hunter doesn't require that much more than "go...find..kill...go....find....kill...repeat". If you like that, fine. Don't expect me to be impressed. I might be impressed when I hear you found a clever PvP tactic ( not an exploit, a tactic ).