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Thread: Why decay is not my number 1 issue

snoman321
Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:29 pm
#1

Hey all,


Just wanted to take a sec to start a separate thread regarding decay. I just added my .02 to Jenden's top 5 list and I've moved decay down a couple spots from where it used to be at the top of my list. My top 3 now goes:


1) Fix Bugs

2) Improve existing functionality/add inherent functionality to chassis

3) Decay


I'm not married to my current #1 slot, but right now I find myself peeved about bugs more than anything. As the devs have been making progress there, I'm just hopeful they will continue in that vein so that by the time the Crafting Update comes about, most of the current issues will be resolved (just in time for more new issues to surface ). Wishful thinking, I know.


The reason why I've ranked adding & improving existing functions ahead of decay is that I feel that if we add decay without improving what droids do, we hurt our profession more than help it. All we'd be doing is making droids worse. A droid that used to last forever that was non-essential, would still be non-essential, but now temporary. Granted, sales MIGHT improve if there is still a perceived value for droids in the general population, but I'm not entirely convinced of this. I would NOTsuggest that sales would necessarily be hurt significantly, just that the benefit to us would not be nearly as pronounced as some would implyin their push for decay.


I'm totally in favor of decay, believe me. I just think we need to make some of our products a little better before the value of decay will be truly realized.


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Gron_DM
Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:56 pm
#2

your not alone there, i think more needed and desired droid functionality should be introduced also before decay is. Many say decay as # 1 not all. AlsoI think the devs will feel that way as well as they do damage control on all they're decisions that are negative. Decay is most certainly something which standing alone will not be taken as a positive addition from most of the non-DE's.



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RasalTheWise
Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:07 pm
#3

I'm with ya, brother! Decay was #2 or #3 on my list in Jenden's thread. Actually my list resembles yours.




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TheRealTK421
Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:10 pm
#4






Gron_DM wrote:


Decay is most certainly something which standing alone will not be taken as a positive addition from most of the non-DE's.




That's because they've been able to get byy on that one crafting or Med droid they bought, ohh....since like a few weeks into Live. Or some number of months ago.

For those that think decay would hurt us...do you think people will stop using a Med droid cause it decays and they have to replace it over time? Or their crafting droids?

Of course people won't like that they have to replace a product/service that before they didn't. That's to be expected. However, I often find that many of these folks understand that our 'one-time-sale' situation isn't good for us either.


I would agree that getting more practical in-game 'output' from droids would be helpful...but that would be the case without decay. With decay, we can work out the balance of droid lifetime and dig into getting more needed features and system in place.


What's key is finding that fair/balanced break-point between decay that's too aggressive and decay that's effectively not on.


/bow

Respectfully,

Message Edited by TheRealTK421 on 02-01-2005 03:23 PM



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RasalTheWise
Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:24 pm
#5

TK, I have no doubt that decay is a necessity for our future, but I think it's priority must be re-evaluated amongst the other pressing needs. I believe incorporating decay WITH other new features will help offset the negatives involved with decay, from a customer's standpoint. But if we have to pick and choose, I choose bug fixes, simply because they should have been addressed a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...




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Drashk
Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:43 pm
#6




RasalTheWise wrote:
But if we have to pick and choose, I choose bug fixes, simply because they should have been addressed a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...




Bug fixes are beyond the scope of what the Top 5 Issues threads should be. It took me a while to realize this, but with the change in production time to fix old bugs, we need to look towards the future development time and not become fixated on the past. Bug fixes are finally being seen on a steady pace. It just takes time for some bugs to be fixed and tracked down, even though they may appear to be easy fix items from the players stand point, such as the ability to name Converse style droids.


Decay by itself is not the magic bullet fix that some think it may be. Droid Decay will only be effective if it goes hand in hand with some other addition to promote droid use. The problem is, that without Droid Decay, other additions won't help because we won't have the reoccuring market that we need. Droid Decay can only be an effective tool in the goal of creating a better Droid market, if it is a part of a complete package.


We are in a Catch 22 situation where the only way to produce the result ofa reoccuring market is through the addition of Decay and some other factor. We've already seen what happens when the other factor is added without a Decay system. (IE the Droid Publishes).






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JavelinCatcher
Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:44 pm
#7






Drashk wrote:

We are in a Catch 22 situation where the only way to produce the result ofa reoccuring market is through the addition of Decay and some other factor. We've already seen what happens when the other factor is added without a Decay system. (IE the Droid Publishes).







As a side note, we've also seen what happens when simple decay is added without the addition of new features. However, I doubt many remember the 1 kill"droidperma-death period" anymore.



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Jenden
Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:49 pm
#8



JavelinCatcher wrote:


Drashk wrote:

We are in a Catch 22 situation where the only way to produce the result of a reoccuring market is through the addition of Decay and some other factor. We've already seen what happens when the other factor is added without a Decay system. (IE the Droid Publishes).




As a side note, we've also seen what happens when simple decay is added without the addition of new features. However, I doubt many remember the 1 kill "droid perma-death period" anymore.




hehe, I remember it pretty well. That was a bad form of decay I think (too fast, droid would only last people one trip). Space it out so a droid lasts for a month or so and I don't think many people will complain.



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GnomeAd
Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:50 pm
#9






Jenden wrote:


hehe, I remember it pretty well. That was a bad form of decay I think (too fast, droid would only last people one trip). Space it out so a droid lasts for a month or so and I don't think many people will complain.




I'd disagree with that. If we implement decay without giving droids a real "need" we're going to end up cutting our own throats. Currently, droids aren't much more than a novelty. They're nice to have but, except for med modules, players can get by without them just fine.


Let's look at it this way. If the devs were to implement real clothing decay (say your clothes would decay within a month) how many players do you think we'd see running around in their skivvies?


Jenden
Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:54 pm
#10



GnomeAd wrote:


Jenden wrote:


hehe, I remember it pretty well. That was a bad form of decay I think (too fast, droid would only last people one trip). Space it out so a droid lasts for a month or so and I don't think many people will complain.

I'd disagree with that. If we implement decay without giving droids a real "need" we're going to end up cutting our own throats. Currently, droids aren't much more than a novelty. They're nice to have but, except for med modules, players can get by without them just fine.

Let's look at it this way. If the devs were to implement real clothing decay (say your clothes would decay within a month) how many players do you think we'd see running around in their skivvies?





I think we'd see a drop in sales of some of the "fluff" droids, but our core sales (harvesting, medical, storage, combat) would still be strong as these are things people really have grown to rely on. How many doctors do you honestly thing would go back to the med center? How many people would want to carry that extra suit of armor on them and have to worry about it decaying? How much more does the scout make with that droid when he's getting 100cpu+ for his resources... Yea, some of our droids are pretty much for show, but those are also the ones that don't see much use (and therefor wouldn't decay as fast). The droids that people use constanty would decay faster, but they'd almost definately replace them.



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RasalTheWise
Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:33 pm
#11

Ok, I understand the bug fixes thing being a constant thing, and I'll concede that. So it sounds like decay alone will not be the #1 answer. Decay included with other new features will be the real #1 answer.




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Gron_DM
Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:37 pm
#12

^

What Drashk said


Droid decay is needed, without some other droid contribution making them more desirable/needed decay will be a negatively viewed addition.The devs are politically minded and in general do not like introducing purely negative modifications unless there is no choice.......here there is a choice to add some fair decay and some modules/models/changes to make droids more needed/desirable. just my 2 creds, ill write out more for you next time TK



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Rihtan
Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:25 pm
#13

So anybody have any good ideas for that other factor?

Given the activity that the Devs have been showing in the last few days we might just see some attention sooner than laster.
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