Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: DEs, You Need to Make Yourselves Heard! (With a HINT from TK!)
No it doesn't.
Javac wrote:
I think we're tired of screaming the devs deaf ... I know I posted something last week but it all seems to fall into a black hole.
Remember how I used to post like....a TON?
Now I don't post as much. Guess what I'm doing.
There's stuff happening even though you can't always see it.
/bow
Respectfully,
You mean there's a DE profession?!?
jemelby wrote:
I would recommend that each and everyone of use get over there and make a post/complaint/suggestions. If nothing else, just to let everyone know there is a DE profession.
There is the vague outline of a shadowy humanoid just barely visable
The audience leans forward in anticipation of some GREAT revalation.
Could it be? Is it possible?
Is TK hinting about some grand announcement that will forever change the face of droid?
APRIL FOOLS!
It doesn't matter how loud you yell if there is no one listening to what you are saying but instead what they want to hear.
Unless they have something truly show-stoppingly spectatular in store for Publish 8, in spite of TK's psudo-cryptic "I know but you don't - trust me!" posts the future for the DE profession is rather consistent with what it's always been, unfortunately. Since his self-titled "elevation" he's been absoultely giddy over such minor things as viewable deeds and power meters - so I take his statements with a very small grain of salt.
If the "big things" in store are the hybird being put in with Publish 8, then way to go Devs, proving that they did listen and care and made whatever sacrifices it took to make it happen and they will see a lot more positivity out of me and the entire DE community because they finally understood that postive, informative, accurate communication and most importantly ACTION out, will get thempostive communication in.
If these wonderful things coming our way are simply the visual deed system we recently heard about, then I'll just have to chuckle. Something that crippled some peoples businesses (not being able to color inexpensive chassis) and was at the bottom of our "issues" lists (it was there...but barely) isn't enough to save the profession.
Something tells me with the "old guard" stepping down - our two former correspondents quit the game entirely, the flood of "I've dropped DE and/or Am Leaving SWG" messages like from Woody and Virt and countless others in recent weeks - the writing is clearly on the wall.
I'd love to be surprised, but I've stopped believing in Santa Clauseabout the time Publish 7 went liveand was actually called the "Droid Invasion" - and that people actually bought into the wall-paperwhich was actually advertising the delayed Corvette (which now won't go live until a month after this publish). It stares me in the face every day when I look at the launchpad, and the whole affair just becomes a remarkably sad reminder of unfufilled amazing potential. 
AO
Message Edited by AudioOrgana on 04-01-2004 05:47 PM
/bow
AudioOrgana wrote:
It doesn't matter how loud you yell if there is no one listening to what you are saying but instead what they want to hear.
They do listen. I can tell you that it's hard to hear the signal through all the noise. To that, I think you'd agree, Audio.
Unless they have something truly show-stoppingly spectatular in store for Publish 8, in spite of TK's psudo-cryptic "I know but you don't - trust me!" posts the future for the DE profession is rather consistent with what it's always been, unfortunately.
Well, nothing that will be earth-shattering (at least not that they've told me about), but good stuff all the same.
This is one of those situations where I don't want to say a ton since it's still getting coded and might not fly. As you well know, it's all just good idea until it hits Live (or TC). If something makes it to TC, it will very likely make it to Live.
Since his self-titled "elevation" he's been absoultely giddy over such minor things as viewable deeds and power meters - so I take his statements with a very small grain of salt.
Yes...you're right that I'm giddy about some smaller stuff that matters (both to me, other DEs and our droid clients). I am not saying that we're going to the perfect DE profession changes in one or even 2 publishes. It's always about baby-steps in the right direction.
Along those lines, I see a lot of the Corrs. pitching in on how to better implement profession-related droid modules, adding CL10+ droids, etc. Those larger issues aren't exactly the kind of thing that can be done with the wave of a wand.
If the "big things" in store are the hybird being put in with Publish 8, then way to go Devs, proving that they did listen and care and made whatever sacrifices it took to make it happen and they will see a lot more positivity out of me and the entire DE community because they finally understood that postive, informative, accurate communication and most importantly ACTION out, will get thempostive communication in.
I doubt that the Hybrid thing is in for P8. I would guess they'd have told me by now of such a major change. I suspect that CL10+ droids won't happen until a rock-solid plan is approved for how to do it (such that it will balance). I'm trying to build up some ideas on moving in that direction piecemeal, for now...
If these wonderful things coming our way are simply the visual deed system we recently heard about, then I'll just have to chuckle. Something that crippled some peoples businesses (not being able to color inexpensive chassis) and was at the bottom of our "issues" lists (it was there...but barely) isn't enough to save the profession.
Well, fortunately, the droid 'furniture' thing will be solved and out in P8, so we'll get that back. From the info I've been privvy to thus far (but could change), I see more droid goodness on the way.
Is it the perfect set of changes and will make all DEs scream up and down, "We're saved!!"??
Probably not...but no publish or change to the game has done that at all for any profession that I know of (except maybe Chef and BE, and even those revamps still have their leftover issues)...
Something tells me with the "old guard" stepping down - our two former correspondents quit the game entirely, the flood of "I've dropped DE and/or Am Leaving SWG" messages like from Woody and Virt and countless others in recent weeks - the writing is clearly on the wall.
Indeed. It makes me sad to see so many of the cronies bowing out but I understand why they made the decision. In a way, I view my 'post' as trying to be an advocate to see changes happen that will harken those folks back...and make DE be what we'd all want to see it be.
I'd love to be surprised, but I've stopped believing in Santa Clauseabout the time Publish 7 went liveand was actually called the "Droid Invasion" - and that people actually bought into the wall-paperwhich was actually advertising the delayed Corvette (which now won't go live until a month after this publish).
Yes...that was a pretty yucky PR mis-step. But, haven't most of the changes been oversold andhyped since launch?
It's probably a good idea to keep expectations low. That way, if things go down asyou suspect you'll be less disappointed. If youkeep them high, you have nowhere to go but down.
It stares me in the face every day when I look at the launchpad, and the whole affair just becomes a remarkably sad reminder of unfufilled amazing potential.
Yup....me too. That's why I work to ensure that we will be able to make, use and sell the types of droids that we'd all like to see inhabiting our galaxies.
Your help would be indescribably good, in that regard.
AO
Message Edited by AudioOrgana on 04-01-2004 05:47 PM
Respectfully,
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=in_concept&message.id=8299&page=7
This post can be found in this weeks open discussion thread of the in concept forum Message is posted as follows;
Can we plan on seeing more "Content" along the lines of Droids... Other than modules that make R3 droids into jukeboxes??? I mean REAL quality content??
In the DE forums are post after post discussing ways of bringing new inovative ideas into the DE profession and adding more enjoyment by all the players of SWG... I could have sworn that the first scene in "Star Wars" revolved around DROIDS... However the DE profession in SWG still has bugs that have been around for 6 months...
There are DE posts reguarding the DE "Hybrid" profession, Droids speaking, and even new module ideas... And if my memory serves me correctly was the statement not made to the DE community that we would have the "Attention" from the development team for these 2 publishes?????? Instead I see wookie armor, balance issues, and general bug fixes, while the DE's recievied a CDEF pistol strapped to an R3 droid... I saw the CHEF profession revamped in one publish.. but DE's will see very little "revamping" over 2 publishes????
Some encouragement would be wonderful... Silence from the DEV team only breeds conspiracy theories and a constant battle for "Attention"
Respectfully submitted,
Gyros
TheRealTK421 wrote:
/bow
AudioOrgana wrote:
Since his self-titled "elevation" he's been absoultely giddy over such minor things as viewable deeds and power meters - so I take his statements with a very small grain of salt.
Yes...you're right that I'm giddy about some smaller stuff that matters (both to me, other DEs and our droid clients). I am not saying that we're going to the perfect DE profession changes in one or even 2 publishes. It's always about baby-steps in the right direction.
Along those lines, I see a lot of the Corrs. pitching in on how to better implement profession-related droid modules, adding CL10+ droids, etc. Those larger issues aren't exactly the kind of thing that can be done with the wave of a wand.
I'm sorry, but you entirely miss the point. This isn't a "wave of the wand" - this is a culmination of what is supposedly our "time". Come on, TK, remember that private PM you leaked from TH? A couple of days before you were "elevated" and mysteriously changed your tune (again)? The one that said that they have "bent over backwards" for us, to which you snickered.
Dude, it's over - this is our attention. And it's a bunch of little crap that doesn't make up for the huge glaring holes.
It's like putting a shiny ornament on the head of a car that is missing half of it's internal parts - yup, that's good, right?
The little things they are putting in are a pittance, and not going to make any difference in the "big picture".
And you know it, TK. It's a shame you won't let yourself admit it.
If the "big things" in store are the hybird being put in with Publish 8, then way to go Devs, proving that they did listen and care and made whatever sacrifices it took to make it happen and they will see a lot more positivity out of me and the entire DE community because they finally understood that postive, informative, accurate communication and most importantly ACTION out, will get thempostive communication in.
I doubt that the Hybrid thing is in for P8. I would guess they'd have told me by now of such a major change. I suspect that CL10+ droids won't happen until a rock-solid plan is approved for how to do it (such that it will balance). I'm trying to build up some ideas on moving in that direction piecemeal, for now...
Again, TK - you may be new to this as a correspondent, but we aren't new to this process. We've been trying to move "piecemeal" since launch.
This is supposed to be the culmination of that and it's very anti-climactic.
While you may see this as the first steps of a journey, to many of us it's the end of a long marathon. You know this as well.
If these wonderful things coming our way are simply the visual deed system we recently heard about, then I'll just have to chuckle. Something that crippled some peoples businesses (not being able to color inexpensive chassis) and was at the bottom of our "issues" lists (it was there...but barely) isn't enough to save the profession.
Well, fortunately, the droid 'furniture' thing will be solved and out in P8, so we'll get that back. From the info I've been privvy to thus far (but could change), I see more droid goodness on the way.
Bullcrap, and I'm calling you on it, TK. It's not being "fixed" - we will never again have the furnature droids the way we did which is the way everyone prefered. Shian, myself, and others spent a whole thread explaining why this was an issue - from the much increased requirements of resources to the fact that they aren't "forward compatable".
They took out an essential function as a response to a totally seperate issue and are giving us something worse in return, in terms of how people use them.
Gee, sound familiar?
Is it the perfect set of changes and will make all DEs scream up and down, "We're saved!!"??
Probably not...but no publish or change to the game has done that at all for any profession that I know of (except maybe Chef and BE, and even those revamps still have their leftover issues)...
Another "bullcrap", TK. Chef and BE are two of the only professions that have recieved revamps, so to exclude them is poor logic. They managed to turn from jokes into vital professions in ONE publish each - and we are given TWO and won't be in any of a better place as a profession overall than we are now. [Edit: And we never had a "Chef Invasion" or a "BE Reubilt" title to hold over their heads, as we DE's have had to hold the burden of.]
Power meters and entertainer modules aren't going to save us- and again, you know it, TK.
Something tells me with the "old guard" stepping down - our two former correspondents quit the game entirely, the flood of "I've dropped DE and/or Am Leaving SWG" messages like from Woody and Virt and countless others in recent weeks - the writing is clearly on the wall.
Indeed. It makes me sad to see so many of the cronies bowing out but I understand why they made the decision. In a way, I view my 'post' as trying to be an advocate to see changes happen that will harken those folks back...and make DE be what we'd all want to see it be.
When will that happen, TK? After Space? Next year? In three years?
Again, you are looking at this from your own myopic point of view - you are "new" to being a correspondent, but that doesn't reset all that the community and the Dev team have gone through up until this point.
I'd love to be surprised, but I've stopped believing in Santa Clauseabout the time Publish 7 went liveand was actually called the "Droid Invasion" - and that people actually bought into the wall-paperwhich was actually advertising the delayed Corvette (which now won't go live until a month after this publish).
Yes...that was a pretty yucky PR mis-step. But, haven't most of the changes been oversold andhyped since launch?
It's probably a good idea to keep expectations low. That way, if things go down asyou suspect you'll be less disappointed. If youkeep them high, you have nowhere to go but down.
You have GOT to be kidding me...they have falsely advertised a lot since launch, so they shouldn't be held to task for it, and you shouldn't expect much - that's your advice? Things must be even worse than I thought. Seriously - you have offically become an enabler with those words.
It stares me in the face every day when I look at the launchpad, and the whole affair just becomes a remarkably sad reminder of unfufilled amazing potential.
Yup....me too. That's why I work to ensure that we will be able to make, use and sell the types of droids that we'd all like to see inhabiting our galaxies.
Your help would be indescribably good, in that regard.
Well, that's a nice soundbyte TK. It's full of...well, forget it.
I know you know better, TK. You can try to twist words and sound noble, but I know you know what's up. You may like to forget, but when I said something simmilar a couple of days before you became correspondent you said, "Audio, you are totally right" and you spent the next several days taking it further and actively insulting the Devs, posting private messages sent to you by TH, making fun of them in public...but as soon as you became correspondent, of course that all changed.
I'm glad you are having fun in your self-titled "elevation" - but don't expect to not be called on it when you spin as hard as you have tried in this thread.
AO
AO
Message Edited by AudioOrgana on 04-01-2004 05:47 PM
Respectfully,
Message Edited by AudioOrgana on 04-01-2004 08:15 PM
TheRealTK421 wrote:
No it doesn't.
Javac wrote:
I think we're tired of screaming the devs deaf ... I know I posted something last week but it all seems to fall into a black hole.
Remember how I used to post like....a TON?
Now I don't post as much. Guess what I'm doing.
There's stuff happening even though you can't always see it.
/bow
Respectfully,
I assume by your statement 'no it doesn't' you mean that it doesn't fall into a black hole. I think one of the problems of this community is that it seems to fall into a black hole, even if it does not actually fall into a black hole.
Comments that you use to post a ton and now you don't do not help that problem. In fact, if anything it exacerbates it. It gives the appearance that you don't post because you have nothing to say.
This is not a rant but rather a reminder that know one in the forums know what you know. They are all operating in the dark and if you want to understand their perceptions than you need to separate out the information you know as a correspondent and look at the picture as seen by everyone else.
I fully realize that you are limited by the developers in what you can say, but perhaps you should speak with them and either get permission to say a bit more or else have one of them come and post because as it sits the picture to many is rather bleak.
To put it into perspective, the disgruntled have seen a sudden drop in the effectiveness of armor combined with only a modest increase in HAM. BioEngineered pets are superior (more HAM and damage and the ability to perform special attacks) to the droids that can be manufactured and are significantly cheaper to make. On the horizon we have Entertainer modules, Advertising modules, and exploding modules, none of which really sound like things that will revolutionize droids.
Is there more than this going on? Quite possibly, but without knowledge of it people can't consider it in how happy they are with the profession.
And for the record, I do not feel that droids are nerfed into uselessness. While I am not ecstatic about the profession I am far from dropping it. Many of the issues I raise are issues that other people have and not myself. I am simply pointing out that the lack of meaningful communication (assurances that things will improve with no specifics and coy hints do not constitute meaningful communication) is extremely detrimental and to my thinking right now is one of the primary threats to the DE community.
It's probably a good idea to keep expectations low.
TK,
Were you instructed to tell us that? Is that the "official" SOE line? Or is that a standard correspondent opinion? Or is it your personal advice? Or is it just good thinking?
Thanks
I think its just good thinking. The problem with hype and high expectations is they're guaranteed to not be met (I can't remember the author's name off the top of my head, but I recall a poet who often commented on the fact that expectation was better than reality). Anyway, work for the best, expect the worst, and you should come out ok.
Bumbles wrote:
It's probably a good idea to keep expectations low.
TK,
Were you instructed to tell us that? Is that the "official" SOE line? Or is that a standard correspondent opinion? Or is it your personal advice? Or is it just good thinking?
Thanks
Jenden wrote:
I think its just good thinking. The problem with hype and high expectations is they're guaranteed to not be met (I can't remember the author's name off the top of my head, but I recall a poet who often commented on the fact that expectation was better than reality). Anyway, work for the best, expect the worst, and you should come out ok.
Bumbles wrote:
It's probably a good idea to keep expectations low.
TK,
Were you instructed to tell us that? Is that the "official" SOE line? Or is that a standard correspondent opinion? Or is it your personal advice? Or is it just good thinking?
Thanks
If you don't set your sights high, you'll never get where you're wanting to go. I've never agreed with the statement "work for the best, expect the worst" because it makes it failure "ok", if not expected.
If we set our expectations low, it makes it ok for DE not to get any better. I urge those of you that are staying to not give into this, and set expectations as high as possible. It's the only way to get anything positive accomplished.
Well said, sir!
If we set our expectations low, it makes it ok for DE not to get any better. I urge those of you that are staying to not give into this, and set expectations as high as possible. It's the only way to get anything positive accomplished.