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Thread: Could someone please direct me to the SOE post acknowledging the Publish 21 droid breakage?

MickGrey
Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:17 pm
#1

I can't seem to find it anywhere in the "Dev Tracker" link.

Specifically, I'm looking for:

1. A formal acknowledgement from SOE stating they're aware most of the droid modules are not working anymore due to Publish 21.

2. An explanation as why these changes were promoted to the Live servers after numerous reports were made about this during Test, OR an explanation as to why the DE community was not informed when SOE made the decision to ignore those reports.

3. A rough estimate as to when the droid issues will be fixed. I'm not referring to the numerous droid issues that have been stickied in the DE forum for 6 months to 2 years depending on the issue... I merely mean the Publish 21 issues. As it has been several days since Publish 21, and weeks since the problem was first identified in Test, SURELY someone from SOE has already looked at this and has put an action plan together.

#1 above is just plain ol' customer service. #2 and #3 would be gravy, considering my low expectations (DE since Beta so I'm used to disappointment, hehe).




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Akkori
Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:27 pm
#2


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Yoda-5499
Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:51 pm
#3

Let's put it this way: The Devs aren't stupid. They actually read the bug thread. If they didn't, everything bug in the game would still be there. And when there is a detailed description like the one Drashk wrote, you can pretty much bet that the Devs are looking into it. They may not fix it right away, but it is on their "To-Do" list. But, so is capital ships, so you can guess what they are going to do first.



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Iwifia
Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:10 pm
#4



Yoda-5499 wrote:
Let's put it this way: The Devs aren't stupid. They actually read the bug thread. If they didn't, everything bug in the game would still be there. And when there is a detailed description like the one Drashk wrote, you can pretty much bet that the Devs are looking into it. They may not fix it right away, but it is on their "To-Do" list. But, so is capital ships, so you can guess what they are going to do first.


ya they do read it, they just dont fix them. ive been here since beta 2, i see bugs on a daily basis that i remember reporting multiple times back then and still have yet to be fixed



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Jenden
Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:48 pm
#5

1. I'm trying to get a formal acknowledgement, but I can say they do know about it.
2. Doubt you'll get an official one. Generally that kind of info is rather heavily controlled by legal/marketing departments.
3. Doubt we'll get this either (until its going to TC). While I wish we would, if they do give us an ETA and something comes up to push that back they catch a bunch of flack for it, lots of people complaining that they lied, etc. Not sure if its a good enough reason or not, but its the reason they give.



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Shian_Tavkin
Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:52 pm
#6

Jenden..you dear old optimist *hugs*


They have been lying to us for as long as I can remember..and thats a very very long time.


You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.


Why you hold to the belief that the Devs have anything but total disregard for DE amazes me, and I really don't mean to offend you in the slightest.


Do you, the insider, have just one reason for optimism? Whether thats sharable or not isnt important..but do you?






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Jenden
Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:56 pm
#7

Don't have anything real/solid, just my own personal take as to what's going on. I definately think DE's have been getting the short end of the stick for too long, but I don't think its intentional and will never end. Part of the reason it seems something breaks every time something new is added in for another profession is that droids touch on just about every game system. Many other professions haven't been quite as bad off not because they get more attention, but because their professions are more self-contained.

Message Edited by Jenden on 08-07-2005 05:57 PM



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Shian_Tavkin
Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:00 pm
#8






Jenden wrote:
Don't have anything real/solid, just my own personal take as to what's going on. I definately think DE's have been getting the short end of the stick for too long, but I don't think its intentional and will never end. Part of the reason it seems something breaks every time something new is added in for another profession is that droids touch on just about every game system. Many other professions haven't been quite as bad off not because they get more attention, but because their professions are more self-contained.

Message Edited by Jenden on 08-07-2005 05:57 PM





Ahh well


Sadly I do think its intentional, and that it will never end. We will have to differ on that I fear.


Thanks for your reply though, it is as I thought.


Cheers






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Gadget_tek
Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:35 pm
#9




No More Mr Nice Droid Engineer.


I have had it. I really dont care what the do to me,this has to be said.


SWG has the worst set of Dev out there, the only reason any of us are still around is because we have spent to much time with the game to totally give up. What would it really hurt to say we understand there is a problem, and we are trying to fix it, but no we dont even get that.


I would really hate to do my job this bad. I know they cant fix everything all at once, but they could fix something. Oh wait they did our seeker droid problem.Wow howFraking long did that take? If this is what we have left to sell combat and BH droids, then count me out. Iam not making another droid til things get fixed. The BHs can just suffer with us.


I had an old friend contact me ingame, he had just started playing again, and he asked is this game worth playing anymore. I told him that depends. Some professions are just great other are worse now more than ever. My father plays SWG also and has two accounts, I started him playing it, and his toons are a Creature Handler/Bounty Hunter and a Architech/Weaponsmith. His two account are great and he loves the new CH and BH content and that Arch and WS have never really had that many issues.


I on the other hand, have two accounts Mawie Droid Engineer/Shipwright and Ygewe Smuggler/Pistoleer. I only know how bad this game can get and it can get pretty bad. I have seen so many people leave and I have thought about it before. Hoping with each new publish that something might be there for me, but no, I guess some profession are going to get fixed and some like DE are justgoing to be the Red-Headed Step-Child of the game.


One last thing SOE get a clue and listen to what we have been telling you for 2 years now. I invite any Dev to play as a DE for amonth crafting and selling and you might have an idea what we are talking about.



Message Edited by Gadget_tek on 08-07-2005 09:37 PM


Message Edited by Gadget_tek on 08-07-2005 09:38 PM

Message Edited by Gadget_tek on 08-07-2005 09:39 PM



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MickGrey
Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:47 pm
#10

I don't believe harming the DE profession was intentional. At various times in my career I've been a Developer, Development Team Lead, and Development Supervisor... and I can tell you from my personal experience that (by and large) most developers truly want to write quality code and don't want to bork over their customers.


The problem here is management.


Somebody in the chain of the command knew about the bugs when Publish 21 was in Test. Considering the number of people who tested and the numerous posts written about it, well... I just can't believe SOE is that incompetent. Bottom line: they knew. They knew and decided to move ahead anyway.


Onepart of Project Management is Risk Management. Somebody in SOE decided the risk of disappointing the few remaining Master DEs was a more acceptable risk than failing to to deliver on a committed schedule. What this tells me is the annual performance bonuses at SOE might be based upon meeting schedules or providing a laundry list of features/content introduced that year, and not on quality or customer satisfaction.


I suppose in the larger analysis it really doesn't matter that droids are broken since the playerbase as a whole isn't screaming for them. Until this changes, I don't think we'll see much action on our growing Issues List.


I won't suggest stopping producing the BH droids, as that would pit a very large and influential community against us.On the other hand, I don't know what else could get SOE's attention.


Any (civil and realistic) suggestions?



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Akkori
Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:24 pm
#11

Dont let our depressing state of affairs dissuade you. As long as you know going into it, you should be able to adapt. The only bright spot on this dreary season is that currently the BH droids are selling like hotcakes, as evident in other threads on this board. And there *is* a very small market for the other droids. Just dont pin your finincial hopes on DE. Not until they finally dig into our profession and set us right.


DE is a cool profession. Its the most challenging and complex, and it needs people who enjoy that gameplay. DE, BE, and AS, in that order are the most challenging professions, IMO. We offer things that introduce players to another layer of game play. A stupid gun is just a tool, but a droid allows you to do things you couldnt do before.





Odano Akkori
First Mayor of Tempest
Jaxian Bay
Elder DE, Rifleman, Swordsman

Jedi will never be a starting profession...Looted items and quest items will never be better then crafted items, this is not a loot based game...CH will return shortly...CH and BE will not be back in game...Rangers are getting their revamp next!...The stealth system will not be changing in the spy expertise...Need any more examples of things the devs said that did not hold true?
Xrystal
Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:33 pm
#12






Akkori wrote:

Dont let our depressing state of affairs dissuade you. As long as you know going into it, you should be able to adapt. The only bright spot on this dreary season is that currently the BH droids are selling like hotcakes, as evident in other threads on this board. And there *is* a very small market for the other droids. Just dont pin your finincial hopes on DE. Not until they finally dig into our profession and set us right.


DE is a cool profession. Its the most challenging and complex, and it needs people who enjoy that gameplay. DE, BE, and AS, in that order are the most challenging professions, IMO. We offer things that introduce players to another layer of game play. A stupid gun is just a tool, but a droid allows you to do things you couldnt do before.







And to add to that .. Astromechs are selling well too. I've had to raise my in vendor stock to 10 of each so I don't have to craft every day to keep the stock up. Currently weekends are my droid vendor stock taking time. Had to make 6 Level 5 Astromech Droids to replace the ones sold that week alone.
chervil
Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:44 pm
#13

Thanks for the encouragement, I guess maybe I should keep thinking about it.


To me, droids are an extremely personal item.


Unlike any other item in the SW galaxy, they had their own personality and a "bond" to their "master".


I still have my first R4 I bought (cert1 astromech, can't bear to get rid of him) and had been excited over the prospect of creating them for myself.


I was wondering one thing, though. Can a DE make use of all the functions on the droids he creates, or does he still have to qualify in that particular skill set? (i.e. - to use entertainer modules you need to be novice dancer or musician, but can a DE use them w/out those skills?)


It seems to me that you should be able to, and if not, then perhaps that is something the devs could do that would make it a little more rewarding to be a DE.






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