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Thread: Thunder Heart responds to some of the threads:

Gribnitz
Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:23 pm
#1

See if you think the same way I do after reading some of his responses to questions on the Dev Board. Does this make you feel even more like a whipped red-headed step child ?





Thunderheart wrote:








The problem with this is if I announce next week that we're getting utility modules, players are going to say, "yay! give us survey droid modules, slicing droid modules, merchant droid modules" etc. The problem is that better than 80% of the droid modules suggested by the players are either out of balance or technologically too difficulty to produce in a few short weeks.


Its a very big, very heavy decision. It looks like they are going to go with what the community majority wants. I personally dont know what the "right" answer is. I know I brought all the issues to the table and the team talked about them.


I guess I am not understanding. You say here that you are going to go with what the community wants, but below you tell us no droid utilitiescan enhance any abilities. What exactly is a droid for ? What exactly are we going to end up with? No combat droids and more useless modules that no one ever uses? The only real sellers now are item storage and medical. Data storage is never requested, nor is repair.



Of course it makes sense. Everyone wants an edge in combat but if we raised the level of those combat droids and everyone could go out and buy them, they would. People would all go out and buy them and then we get in to the checker scenario - - players get twice as many checkers than the game world AI gets.


Players are inherently smarter and would have twice as many checkers and combat would be broken...which is why if players want combat help, they have to pay full price.



So tell me if I understand this correctly. Doctors buffs, Smugglers Drugs and slices, Armorsmiths 70% kinetic armor and Weaponsmiths top of the line weapons and now the super nice Chef foodsare allowed to give an advantage in combat, but adding a droid that would actually be helpful in combat is a no-no ?





The trick is that there will be NO modules that "add bonuses" or enhance abilities. If the devs did that then we're getting back into the "extra checker" scenario. Further more, players can stack modules and start getting really unfair bonuses.


So the bottom line appears to be that Droid Engineers REALLY are the red-headed step children in the game. We are not allowed to have anything really useful to sell to the rest of the population because we would imbalance the game. However a large amount of other classes can make and sell, or do things that enhance other players skill and abilities, but that isn't unbalancing becuase they aren't Droid Engineers. Is this how we are supposed to understand this?









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Dieseltec
Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:48 pm
#2

I think at this point the agenda is clear. We are being steered in one direction. Combat.


If you notice TH describes utility as "not exciting".


This says volumes as far as the direction the Devs want to go.


I have said this before and I will say it again. They wrote the code for DH already they are not just going to throw away that work. The more we fight it the more they (the Devs) will make us wait untill we accept it. I have not seen any post from them to suggest otherwise.


I too would like to see utility but not if it will take 6 months to come and we get nothing else in the meanwhile.


My two cents.






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duncje
Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:01 pm
#3

Free checkers for everyone!!


Disclaimer: DE is, and never will be entitled to any extra checkers. In fact, we are taking some checkers away from DE just because they asked for more.




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Gribnitz
Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:16 pm
#4






duncje wrote:

Free checkers for everyone!!


Disclaimer: DE is, and never will be entitled to any extra checkers. In fact, we are taking some checkers away from DE just because they asked for more.





Every other class gets to play checkers. Droid Engineers just get to play Russian Roulette. Which DE is the next one to take the bullet ?




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duncje
Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:25 pm
#5

I'm beginning to think more and more that my signature applies to the devs in this case...


It makes me sick, maybe we could get them to add a "puke" smily to the boards?



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raider7734
Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:40 pm
#6





The best way to getmore droids in the game is to add them as player types (droids are sentient in the Star Wars universe, right?)...so I'd reroll as a lowly R2 unit and use my built in CDEF blaster to kill minor worrts on the outskirts of Mos Eisley,always being careful to avoid the Jawas, of course...I'd get enough experience and credits, then finda good DEto carefully pull my droid brain out and rebuild me into a protocol droid(silver -I would want to be silver).Then I'd run around with a laser carbine for awhile,gaining exp andchecking in with the DEanytime I was ready for an armoror targeting computer upgrade, etc., and to drool over that slick droideka chassis on display...


I wrote thisin jest, but it actually sounds kind of cool, no?




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Gribnitz
Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:47 pm
#7






raider7734 wrote:






I wrote thisin jest, but it actually sounds kind of cool, no?




All except for the part about pulling your brain out....Hey wait I feel like that now !




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Gron_DM
Sat Jan 31, 2004 11:32 pm
#8






Dieseltec wrote:

I think at this point the agenda is clear. We are being steered in one direction. Combat.


If you notice TH describes utility as "not exciting".


This says volumes as far as the direction the Devs want to go.


I have said this before and I will say it again. They wrote the code for DH already they are not just going to throw away that work. The more we fight it the more they (the Devs) will make us wait untill we accept it. I have not seen any post from them to suggest otherwise.


I too would like to see utility but not if it will take 6 months to come and we get nothing else in the meanwhile.


My two cents.







i dunno i also read a recent thread by TH saying that making this prof work would be really hard too so i am reall really confused.




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Sketh
Sun Feb 01, 2004 7:29 am
#9

I had another thought.


Almost every single class and item could be translated into an EQ2 class or item.


Droids cannot.



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TheWoody
Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:32 am
#10

The comments of the devs just makes me happy that I have so little time left in this world.

After you with the bullets, please



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Dieseltec
Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:01 am
#11







Gron DM wrote:

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i dunno i also read a recent thread by TH saying that making this prof work would be really hard too so i am reall really confused.

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We are paying $2.00 more a month for this game than the average MMORPG. I expect more. Three days ago a decision was supposed to be made concerning the direction we where suppose to go. Now what we get is this:

Thunderheart wrote:

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Nope...still up in the air.


Everyone has been involved and all angles have been proposed. All of them.


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I have tryed very hard not to be swayed by the nay sayers, but it is getting harder and harder. I love this profession and I won't give it up no matter the choice the Devs make. But for the love of all that is Droid make a decision.




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Sketh
Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:03 am
#12






Dieseltec wrote:







I have tryed very hard not to be swayed by the nay sayers, but it is getting harder and harder. I love this profession and I won't give it up no matter the choice the Devs make. But for the love of all that is Droid make a decision.






More and more, I am thinking that this whole droid discussion with TH is just spin to give them a plausable reason not to do anything till the droid expansion.


I guess I shouldn't post when I am feeling this bitter about what is going on here...





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mkummer
Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:32 am
#13






Sketh wrote:

More and more, I am thinking that this whole droid discussion with TH is just spin to give them a plausable reason not to do anything till the droid expansion.




are you talking about the "droid invasion" patch or an expansion that comes after the space expansion?


but you are right, i have a bad feeling too. They did not listen to the community and started doing combat droids, then a few weeks befor bringing it in the start to listen to the community and throw the combat droids away (or maybe not who knows) and make a few utility droids. I think in the end it will be worse then it would have been with Droid Handler and all combat droids and worse then witha utility update.


And with the last answer of TH with all this talking about the "extra checkers" i got a real real bad feeling. At the end i am happy when i survive the patch without beeing nerfed.









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