Droid Engineer Archive

Heh - yeah, I meant the space expansion.

And the more I think about it, the more I worry about the new "ballance" thing. I left AC2 because of "ballance".

Checkers? Bah, it should be a chess analogy.

The last two lines of the old Rush song, "The Trees", keeps coming to mine:

"And now the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw...."

There is unrest on the message boards
There is trouble with the DE's
Because the droids want some loving
And the devs ignore their pleas

The trouble with tho DE's
(And they're quite convinced their right)
They say the devs are just too myoptic
And they just won't do the code right
But the devs can't help their feelings
And they like commandos as made
And they wonder why the DE's
Can't just go use a blade

There is trouble on the message boards
And all the old timers have fled
As the DE's cry "Myoptic!"
And the devs just shake their heads

So the DE's formed the DEU
And demanded some coding time
The devs are just too myoptic
We will make them give us love
Now there's no more combat droids
For the devs passed a law
And the players are kept equal
By hatchet, axe and saw...

And on a serious note....

did you see Thunderwhatever's response to the Image Designers, Pikemen, and Entertainers?

Bwahahahaha.....

TH is worse than Holocron ever was... at least Holo didn't pretend to be on the players side.

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Sketh wrote:

There is unrest on the message boards
There is trouble with the DE's
Because the droids want some loving
And the devs ignore their pleas

The trouble with tho DE's
(And they're quite convinced their right)
They say the devs are just too myoptic
And they just won't do the code right
But the devs can't help their feelings
And they like commandos as made
And they wonder why the DE's
Can't just go use a blade

There is trouble on the message boards
And all the old timers have fled
As the DE's cry "Myoptic!"
And the devs just shake their heads

So the DE's formed the DEU
And demanded some coding time
The devs are just too myoptic
We will make them give us love
Now there's no more combat droids
For the devs passed a law
And the players are kept equal
By hatchet, axe and saw...

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Heh heh... it is a spoof on the Rush song, The Trees, which seems very apt to this whole discussion.

Here are the real lyrics:

There is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees,
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas.

The trouble with the maples,
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made.
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade.

There is trouble in the forest,
And the creatures all have fled,
As the maples scream Oppression!
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
The oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light.
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.

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Arcid wrote:

An interesting Question to ask TH would be "If there should be no skill bonuses added, why are Skilltpes and Armour Attatchments present, they do give bonuses essentally for free after all

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It is quite obvious that the pet code was re-used for droids. This in and of itself causes problems - it means limitations for droids, it means that any change to pets has a good chance of popping up in droids, and as it is apparant that the pet code and the droid code are tightly coupled, it means that there will be a lot of dev effort required to get any substantial, non-combat changes into place....

I'm starting to get really angry with the DE proffession and Devs now,

Endless debate in forums, followed by endless debate in the Devs meetings. When is someone actually going to DO something?

heavens bells, Now TH says utility droids will unbalance the game... exactly, that why we want them, anything that doesnt give someone an advantage is ignored. Take mounts, havent seen one for weeks now, why bother, vehicles are faster. So what if a crafter get a 10% bonus, after all player cities can give bonuses etc already.

Balance is important, but only really in combat, if you want to make better items you'd buy the best crafting tools, and the best resources, whats so different about buying the best droid to give you an advantage too?

Its been said before, food, spice, doctor buffs, entertainer buffs, weapon power ups... they all give you an advantage that someone else may not have, yet all are acceptable.

Good points... by the logic that thunderheart is using, doctor buffs, slices,food, spice, entertainer buffs are all unbalancing. Doctor buffs and entertainer buffs are pretty big combat effectiveness boosts, and someone who is doctor and entertainer buffed, using food, drink and spice at the same time, wearing sliced armor and using a sliced weapon is so much more powerful than a base stats player that it is amazing. Much, much more than a level 15 bio pet or a probot with nice stats would be.

Some players are invincible when they use all the buffs and slices available in addition to their skills and tactics. Now, I think that has dawned on them, hence the crackdown. The difference is that all other professions get to keep doing their thing albeit subject to the crackdown. DE is simply not even allowed into the game... It is not that combat droids would be more unbalanced than the above, it is just that those pandora's boxes have already been opened, and ours has not. Also, a spiced, drunken, full-bellied uber-warrior with full buffs and sliced and powered up gear would also be able to deploy a combat droid... this is what they are worried about I'd guess.

We should be allowed to make these droids and sell them. We are just being shafted by all the other unbalanced elements in game already. If players can't be allowed to have these combat droids, at least let them go on faction patrol on bases, or cities. I don't know... just something. Yes, even allowing players to get their hands on them, subject to high prices and the risk of confiscation from the crackdown would be better than nothing. Not just for the DE profession, but for the Star Wars look and feel throughout the game.