Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: I hate this interdependance crap.
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Nell2ThaIzzay
Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:19 pm
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I need extrusive ore for near all my droid models... guess what, nobody sells any extrusive ore (and it seems hard to find)
I need components craftable by other classes for a lot of my droid models... and nobody is selling those components.
It's really hard to be succesful when I have to rely on other people for my parts (sorry, I don't want to be forced to take Master Artisan when it's not a class that I want to play as) but those people that I have to rely on don't make and sell the parts that I need.
Jjiaah
Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:29 am
#2
Nell2ThaIzzay wrote:
I need extrusive ore for near all my droid models... guess what, nobody sells any extrusive ore (and it seems hard to find)
I need components craftable by other classes for a lot of my droid models... and nobody is selling those components.
It's really hard to be succesful when I have to rely on other people for my parts (sorry, I don't want to be forced to take Master Artisan when it's not a class that I want to play as) but those people that I have to rely on don't make and sell the parts that I need.
A Master DE that isn't also a Master Artisan is at a severe disadvantage, period. But there are ways to even the playing field to a large degree.
Solution:
Find yourself a Master Artisan, Musician (any level), and Master Armorsmith. Ask them if they would be willing to sell you a 1000 run factory schematic of the components you need - most will do it for 1k-5k if not free. Provide them with the correct resources (so that you already have what you needto do the factory run) to make the schematic with. Do your factory runs. Lather-rinse-repeat when you run low/out.
As far as Extrusive Ore.... you may want to concider getting at least Survey 4 if you don't have it already, and getting your hands on some harvesters. Invest the time andrelatively small amounts of money / power (relatively compared to buying them)in keeping them digging up what you need. If you're going to rely 100% on other people for your resources you're going to have a hard (and very expensive) time as a DE. I personally have 12 harvesters across 2 accts going 24/7 pulling up filler resources, and any specialized named I happen to find. Extrusive ores of differing kinds are a fairly common rotation, it may just take checking a few different planets (you can use survey droids for this if you have them). If you're not digging it up yourself (among all the others we need) you're either going to miss out on the specialized named resources completely, or have to pay through the nose for them (high-end Tolium Inert Gas comes to mind....). Without those specialized ones, the top droids will always be out of reach.
Message Edited by Jjiaah on 10-14-2004 01:32 AM
Nell2ThaIzzay
Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:55 am
#3
I just put a couple harvestors up tonight.
I had a bunch of harvestors during my first stint in the game, but having harvestors and housing up put me in a really bad circle that eventually led to me leaving the game; I need to build droids to sell on the bazaar so that I have money to support my harvestors so I have the resources to make more droids. I made absolutley no profit from it, and if I missed a day from the game or something, I fell way behind, and it got to a point where I had to log on every day to grind out some generic droids to plop on the bazaar. I didn't like that circle, and eventually left the game.
Now that I'm back, I want to try to avoid that funk, and mainly just make droids for my own personal use. I'm not really trying to run a business from this, tho I will occasionally crack together a few extra droids to put on the bazaar for some extra cash. But most of my money thus far comes from my Rifleman and CH skills and going out hunting doing Imperial missions.
Actually, the extrusive ore isn't too big of a problem... because of the fact that I had a bunch of harvestors that I tossed in my bank when I quit. So I was able to just pull those out. I was pretty much just venting on that because where I was at on NabooI could only find a 36% deposit.
I'm mainly upset about the huge dependance we have on other classes. I can't make Power Droids because I don't have the power core units, and I can't ever find any on the bazaar, or even when I shout in town for an architectwilling to make me one, I never get any replies. Same goes for the Electronic GP modules for the structure maintenance modules. I was able to find *1 GP module on the bazaar, on a different planet. I went ahead and bought it, cuz I needed it, but it really sucks when I can't find anybody in town to craft me up a few.
And then to top it all off... after finally making my structure maintenance droid, I found out that I can only hold 3 structures in the droid. I thought I could hold up to 10, I was mislead by the Droid Engineering 101 post 
Now of course Irealize that the 10 structures must come from a level 6 module, not a level 1 module, butI realized it the hard way.
Message Edited by Nell2ThaIzzay on 10-14-2004 04:00 AM
Message Edited by Nell2ThaIzzay on 10-14-2004 04:00 AM
Jake-MP
Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:41 am
#4
I would actually argue that there isn't enough interdependency. Don't get me wrong, I think DE's have plenty of it, but I dislike the problem that almost nobody else relies on us. As far as I know, the only item that we have that is needed by any other profession is the droid storage compartment... which is of course different from the item storage modules that we put in droids... I remember that one causing me some confusion 
. (If I'm wrong about that, I'd love to be corrected!) While other professions do have some relieance on Master Artisan, DE is certainly the highest. I'd actually like to see all other elite professions have the interdepandancy increased rather than getting us decreased. But there are some selfish reasons for that.
Some people do sell crated components but typically not on the bazaar. Unfortunately, finding them can be a little bit (or a lot) of a pain. I have a vendor in my shop that sells crates of Master Artisan goods as well as the aforementioned droid storage compartments. It's listed on the planetary map (Minerva, Naboo - Valcyn), but other than that I don't do too much to advertise it.
. (If I'm wrong about that, I'd love to be corrected!) While other professions do have some relieance on Master Artisan, DE is certainly the highest. I'd actually like to see all other elite professions have the interdepandancy increased rather than getting us decreased. But there are some selfish reasons for that.Some people do sell crated components but typically not on the bazaar. Unfortunately, finding them can be a little bit (or a lot) of a pain. I have a vendor in my shop that sells crates of Master Artisan goods as well as the aforementioned droid storage compartments. It's listed on the planetary map (Minerva, Naboo - Valcyn), but other than that I don't do too much to advertise it.
robertwo
Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:23 am
#5
I remember when I was tailor armoursmiths would rely on me a fair bit for schematics for synthcloth re-inforced fiberpanels etc.
I don't think looking on the bazaar is the best way of going out and finding what you need. Going to the player search is always a good start and have a look to see if you can find a master artisan there and send them a tell.
Also selling droids on the bazaar is not probably the best way and why you ended up in circle like you did. Pick up some merchant skills in the artisan tree or even merchant and put down at least one vendor and sell your droids on there. The bazaar limit of 6k mates it very difficult to make a profit. I'd never sell an R3 for example for 6k.
The other solution is to join a PA/Guild. I find it extrememly helpful as I can just ask my guild armoursmith to knock me up a schematic for composite segments. Not everyone is in a PA (although it seems like it) and some don't want to be but it does have it's advantages as well as being social.
I don't think looking on the bazaar is the best way of going out and finding what you need. Going to the player search is always a good start and have a look to see if you can find a master artisan there and send them a tell.
Also selling droids on the bazaar is not probably the best way and why you ended up in circle like you did. Pick up some merchant skills in the artisan tree or even merchant and put down at least one vendor and sell your droids on there. The bazaar limit of 6k mates it very difficult to make a profit. I'd never sell an R3 for example for 6k.
The other solution is to join a PA/Guild. I find it extrememly helpful as I can just ask my guild armoursmith to knock me up a schematic for composite segments. Not everyone is in a PA (although it seems like it) and some don't want to be but it does have it's advantages as well as being social.
RasalTheWise
Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:16 pm
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It's sad, but you really need to find another income source until you are a master DE. My favorite thing to do was to do crafting missions in corellia from Tyrena to the island (Vreni or something like that). I grossed approximately 3000cr each run (two missions) and after an hour or so, I had the funds to pay off maintenance on all my structures for a couple days. Once I had a shop, I no longer had to do the missions.
Nell2ThaIzzay wrote:I need to build droids to sell on the bazaar so that I have money to support my harvestors so I have the resources to make more droids. I made absolutley no profit from it, and if I missed a day from the game or something, I fell way behind, and it got to a point where I had to log on every day to grind out some generic droids to plop on the bazaar.
Jake-MP
Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:04 pm
#7
RasalTheWise wrote:
It's sad, but you really need to find another income source until you are a master DE. My favorite thing to do was to do crafting missions in corellia from Tyrena to the island (Vreni or something like that). I grossed approximately 3000cr each run (two missions) and after an hour or so, I had the funds to pay off maintenance on all my structures for a couple days. Once I had a shop, I no longer had to do the missions.
Not necessarily... I'm not a Master DE yet and I make a decent living selling premade droids off my vendor. My combat droids aren't the best in the galaxy, but they are priced accordingly. I've been running a droid shop since I was around 2/2/1/2 (maybe sooner) and while they're not really flying off the shelf, I make enough to pay maint on everything I need to, do a little travel and even make some big purchases (I've bought 3 BER13 heavy minerals in the last week or two). Just stop thinking that everything has to be the best in the galaxy in order to sell. An R5 w/10 storage can made just as well by a 2/0/0/1 as a Master (discounting color options). And yes, those do sell.
Nell2ThaIzzay
Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:38 am
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You know, before I originally left the game, I did have a vendor set up. I had just joined a player city, and I set up a vendor and put my droids up for sale there. I never sold one droid. Ended up leaving the game.
Now that I've come back, those very same droids I couldn't sell on my vendor, I have sold every single one of them on the bazaar. Whenever I put a droid up for sale on the bazaar, it sells. Really, a vendor is a waste of money for me, because it's another money sink that I have to worry about. I might do it again sometime, but right now, no.
Nell2ThaIzzay
Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:41 am
#9
And I have also done more than just search the bazaar. I have gone to shops in player cities, and also randomly located on the maps. I have shouted in towns that I was looking for certain resources or components, with no reply. I have done player searches and sent tells to people and gotten no replies.
That's one of the reasons why I dislike the interdependancy, because if there isn't anyone around with the skills, or willing to help you, you are assed out, and you get screwed. If there was a way I could go to an NPC vendor at least, then at least I could get the parts to get done what I need to get done.
Finding Droid Engineers is next to impossible, and I haven't had much luck finding Master Artisans or Architects. That's why I have to rely on the bazaar.
Jake-MP
Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:56 am
#10
Another great resource is your galaxies trade forums.
As for interdependency... I think if other professions were brought up to the level of dependency on MA goods that DE is now, there would be more people selling these items. I run a vendor just for this purpose, but it doesn't really get a whole lot of traffic (though the customers that have used it told me how much they appreaciated it ).
As for interdependency... I think if other professions were brought up to the level of dependency on MA goods that DE is now, there would be more people selling these items. I run a vendor just for this purpose, but it doesn't really get a whole lot of traffic (though the customers that have used it told me how much they appreaciated it
).
Knapf
Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:30 am
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Is it me or does it sound like DE is too much work for you? If you are going CH and RifleMan, It just seems you are spending more time looking for resourses and Items you need for the class then if you were to just take the classes themselves.
psikobunny
Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:30 am
#12
Interdependence is great when everyone is interdependent. As it stands, DE has an unfair burden, and it doesn't look to be rectified anytime soon. If shipwright comes Live and is just as dependent as we are, then HUZZAH, but I think its a system the Devs have (cowardly) backed off from, and that makes me sad.
I like building longterm business relationships with other players, itsa fun form of interaction and adds good immersion, but it's become too difficult, even post hologrind blight.
Nell2ThaIzzay
Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:45 am
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"Is it me or does it sound like DE is too much work for you? If you are going CH and RifleMan, It just seems you are spending more time looking for resourses and Items you need for the class then if you were to just take the classes themselves."
Well, okay, you bring up a good point. I'm not the poster boy of a good droid engineer. I'm not like the other people in this forum who are also droid engineers (tho I'd say I'm as passionate as most of us with what happens to the class), but I'm just in droid engineering for my own personal enjoyment. I do sell droids, but I'm not in it for the business. I actually took up droid engineering because I wanted to have pets (CH) and droids (DE) and just have an army of stuff that would fight for me. In all MMRPG's I play, and pretty much any RPG I play, I enjoy controlling pets. So I figured that CH and DE would be the perfect classes for me.
It wasn't until I actually got into Droid Engineering, and I saw what all we had to craft that I started getting into all of the other different aspects of it, and combat droids fell greatly as far as my droid priorities went. I love all the utility droids that we get to build now, and I've become much more of a fan of those than I have of the combat droids.
But still, as much as I like the non-combat droids that we can make, there are also other aspects of the game that I enjoy. Such as hanging out in the cantina jamming out with a band of people. So I have Musician skills. I enjoy taming and collecting creatures. So I have Creature Handler. And I want to have some kind of combat skills also, so I have Rifleman (I really want the "Sniper" title 
). I think it's kind of bogus to have to spend my skills points across *TWO* classes in order to be effective in one (taking Master Artisan to be effective at Droid Engineer), so yea, I don't have those artisan skills that maybe I should have to make my life a lot easier, because there are other aspects of this game that I want to enjoy.
). I think it's kind of bogus to have to spend my skills points across *TWO* classes in order to be effective in one (taking Master Artisan to be effective at Droid Engineer), so yea, I don't have those artisan skills that maybe I should have to make my life a lot easier, because there are other aspects of this game that I want to enjoy.I don't mind the interdependancy, at least the concept of it. The thing I hate is when you are forced to get your parts or resources from other people, and those people you are forced to get it from are nowhere to be found, or won't help you out. I found a Master Artisan in Theed today and sent him a tell asking for a small order of Electronics GP modules so I could make some Structure Maintenance droids. The artisan responds back "I'm not taking orders at this time". So it's like, great, the people that I'm forced to rely on for my parts to make my droids aren't even willing to help me out. That's what I hate about being interdepedant. I really don't mind having to buy certain materials from another class. I hate when those people I have to buy from are nowhere to be found.
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