Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: quality of micro sensor suite
zeeraz wrote:I know this has been asked somewhere before but have an artisian friend who's willing to make me a run of these. Does the quality matter with this or is it the same as most of the components.
Quality only really impacts final build of the droid and some of the "functional" modules:
No Impact - Anything that doesn't have a "Rating" just a function -
frames/chassis or their components (droid brains, manipulator arms, adv frame modules, sensor suites, EGP or EMM modules, etc), merchant barker modules, crafting modules, entertainer effect modules, cluster modules, BH droids, etc.
Impact - Things that have a "Rating" -
final build of the droid (impacts HAM), combat modules, stimpack modules, trap launchers, survey droids, harvesting modules, det modules, medical modules, storage modules, data modules, struct maint modules, etc.
Also, dont bother with the optional item for MSS ( i think its the energy distributor). I have made 2 identical probots, one with an MSS with all subcomponents, and HQ resuorces, the other with an MSS with just a control unit and EGP, and grinding resources. Every other component of the 2 droids came from the same facotry crate.
Result, Identical droids. Same HAM Damage Speed and To Hit. The MSS had absolutely no effect on the final droid. So save your good resources, and dont bother with the optional subcomponent, they have 0 effect on the final droid.
Pallida.. Will you please shut your piehole..numerious players have done extensive and half-assed testing on this and everyone comes up to the same conclusion except you..
Message Edited by strykler on 06-02-2004 05:40 PM
Message Edited by strykler on 06-02-2004 05:41 PM
MachineZed wrote:
Its the same as all the other components. Quality is questionable, I always experiment on my factory runs, but not when I build by hand. I see no difference in the quality.
Experimenting on factory runs makes the time-per-unit go up. I no longer experiment on my memory or GP modules. I should consider halting experimentation on droid brains, manipulator package sets and the rest. I think it justs wastes time in your factories.
It might be interesting to make two droids that are identical in every way except the motive unit. Experiment on one motive unit but not hte other. Once the droids are built, see fast they can go (eg: make them chase an x34)
Pallida wrote:
We have "conclusions" that players have drawn from tests... However, conclusions are not "proof" unless no other means of determining "proof" exists. Statements such as that in the above quoted post are misleading and imply that the poster does indeed have "proof" of effect.. proof that is generally available only via a developer statement of effect... or access to the application source code.
Well, when you get your "developer statement of effect or access to the application source code", I guess we'll know for sure. However, seeing that your "statement of effect" is in most cases non-existant and I'm highly doubtful that SOE is going to be handing out source code anytime soon, the large ammount of repetable empirical data will have to sufice as proof in this case.
Batleh wrote:
zeeraz wrote:
I know this has been asked somewhere before but have an artisian friend who's willing to make me a run of these. Does the quality matter with this or is it the same as most of the components.
Quality only really impacts final build of the droid and some of the "functional" modules:
No Impact - Anything that doesn't have a "Rating" just a function -
frames/chassis or their components (droid brains, manipulator arms, adv frame modules, sensor suites, EGP or EMM modules, etc), merchant barker modules, crafting modules, entertainer effect modules, cluster modules, BH droids, etc.
Impact - Things that have a "Rating" -
final build of the droid (impacts HAM), combat modules, stimpack modules, trap launchers, survey droids, harvesting modules, det modules, medical modules, storage modules, data modules, struct maint modules, etc.
(Yes.. this is a [snip/paste] from an earlier post)
*sigh*
Here we go again.... As I have stated before, there is absolutely no proof, with one notable exception (a recent developer's statement of effect regarding droid-mounted crafting stations), that resource quality and experimentation have absolutely no effect on any/allmodules and any/all subcomponents that are used in construction of a droid.
We have "conclusions" that players have drawn from tests... However, conclusions are not "proof" unless no other means of determining "proof" exists. Statements such as that in the above quoted post are misleading and imply that the poster does indeed have "proof" of effect.. proof thatis generally available only via a developer statement of effect... or access to the application source code.
"If you areon the development/maintenance teamof SWG, then stand up and say so... I will gladly shut the h*** up". 
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I know but that alone will usually stop me from hitting my "Complete Macro" and create the item automatically. I also always experiment on the final droid, just so I can name them
Kassuff wrote:
MachineZed wrote:
Its the same as all the other components. Quality is questionable, I always experiment on my factory runs, but not when I build by hand. I see no difference in the quality.
Experimenting on factory runs makes the time-per-unit go up. I no longer experiment on my memory or GP modules. I should consider halting experimentation on droid brains, manipulator package sets and the rest. I think it justs wastes time in your factories.
It might be interesting to make two droids that are identical in every way except the motive unit. Experiment on one motive unit but not hte other. Once the droids are built, see fast they can go (eg: make them chase an x34)
strykler wrote:
Pallida.. Will you please shut your piehole..numerious players have done extensive and half-assed testing on this and everyone comes up to the same conclusion except you..
Message Edited by strykler on 06-02-2004 05:40 PM
Message Edited by strykler on 06-02-2004 05:41 PM
Geee.. a personal and insulting attack... I guess that this one will have to be reported to the moderators. Have a nice day, Strykler 
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strykler wrote:
Pallida.. Will you please shut your piehole..numerious players have done extensive and half-assed testing on this and everyone comes up to the same conclusion except you..
Pallida is just a troll who can't even have a discussion, he just copies/pastes the same lame response in every thread this comes up in.
Message Edited by AudioOrgana on 06-03-2004 11:02 AM
I think you were a bit harsh with that last reply. From my point of view both sides are just as guilty as each other. It seems to me that people take great pleasure in posting 'Experimentation has absolutely no effect on X, Y and Z' in an attempt to wind up Pallida. I may be reading too much into the situation, but that's what it looks like to me.
As to your comment on misinformation - I don't see any way in which anything that Pallida posted in this thread can be seen as misinformation. Care to enlighten me?
Is it really that hard for people to add a 'as far as we know' to their posts about experimentation? That's all it will take to stop this whole argument.
Sorry, don't mean to offend, I'm just getting fed up of seeing all these posts and wondering how long it will take Pallida to reply, then wondering how long it will take for somebody to swear at him and point out community testing etcetera. Is getting a bit old now and there are far more important issues to focus on.
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