Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: quality of micro sensor suite
EnigmaBSc wrote:
Uh, Sorry Audio, but I'm going to have to assume you're recovered from your recent patch of 'agreeing with people'
Um, I don't know what you are talking about. I agree when I agree, I don't when I don't. I do not ride whatever wave is most popular - I hold the capacity for rational, logical thought.
I think you were a bit harsh with that last reply. From my point of view both sides are just as guilty as each other. It seems to me that people take great pleasure in posting 'Experimentation has absolutely no effect on X, Y and Z' in an attempt to wind up Pallida. I may be reading too much into the situation, but that's what it looks like to me.
Um, do you really think people post that experimentation doesn't matter on certain items just to "wind up Pallida"? I'm pretty certain that most people that post the accurate information are simply trying to do just that - get the accurate information out to our fellow DE's.
My fault with Pallida is not that he disagrees (if he isn't experienced enough with Droid Engineering to understand there is nothing we can do), but with the fact that he posts his lame copy/paste and can't even have a discussion about it.
Here is what I wrote in the last thread he decided to spam his message to :
At this time, non-module droid components have no obvious benefit from experimentation that any player has been able to prove, much less any indication that it signifigantly affects the gameplay experience provided by the final droid object. There is a slight possibility that it somehow affects our chances of critical failing or not on the final assemble, but thehigh quality resources needed and time consuming nature of experimented items (by hand or by factory)makes it not cost-effective for most DE's to spend the extra time/resources necessary to experiment on them for this undetermined benefit.
Pallida is just a troll, EnigmaBSc. Check out his other posts ("bump six of eight!"). He has proven he cannot have a rational discussion, just that he likes to spout off at the mouth, not back it up in any way, shape or form.
So, sorry, Enigma, that you can't see that we are trying to help DE's and prevent them from wasting valuable time and materials on something that in the opinion of virtually every DE is useless. If you think any of us post the correct information to "get" Pallida, you are sadly mistaken - contrary to your (and likely his) belief, the DE forum does not revolve around his lack of knowledge of how droids work in SWG.
AO
EnigmaBSc wrote:
Uh, Sorry Audio, but I'm going to have to assume you're recovered from your recent patch of 'agreeing with people'
Um, I don't know what you are talking about. I agree when I agree, I don't when I don't. I do not ride whatever wave is most popular - I hold the capacity for rational, logical thought.
I was referring to such posts as the first post on this page and the short period when nearly every post you made seemed to start with the phrase "I agree." or "agreed". It was a joke. Hence the smiley.
I think you were a bit harsh with that last reply. From my point of view both sides are just as guilty as each other. It seems to me that people take great pleasure in posting 'Experimentation has absolutely no effect on X, Y and Z' in an attempt to wind up Pallida. I may be reading too much into the situation, but that's what it looks like to me.
Um, do you really think people post that experimentation doesn't matter on certain items just to "wind up Pallida"? I'm pretty certain that most people that post the accurate information are simply trying to do just that - get the accurate information out to our fellow DE's.
This was simply my opinion from the way things have turned on the forum. For a while there was nothing said about experimentation. Then a question was asked and answered and Pallida chipped in with his opinions. There was a reasonable discussion about the issue. More threads popped up and the discussion remained civil. Even more threads up and things quickly became hostile. As I said, it is quite possible that I misread the situation, but the fact remains: We know that every time the experimentation issue comes up that Pallida is going to post his opinions. He's said so. Why bring that situation up in the first place when a couple of added words - "as far as we know" - can avoid it?
Furthermore why do you insist on calling it "accurate information" when the provable accuracy is the subject of the debate? Nothing is added to your argument by adding the word "accurate". The word "information" on its own would be perfectly adequate. What was the reason you added the word "accurate"? This is likely to be provocative to anyone with a contrary view, regardless of whether you intended it to be or not.
My fault with Pallida is not that he disagrees (if he isn't experienced enough with Droid Engineering to understand there is nothing we can do), but with the fact that he posts his lame copy/paste and can't even have a discussion about it.
It was my understanding that we'd had a discussion about it and not reached an agreement. There is nothing wrong with this. I also don't see anything lame about him copy/pasting his opinions. If his opinions haven't changed and he posts them often then why not copy/paste them?
Here is what I wrote in the last thread he decided to spam his message to :
At this time, non-module droid components have no obvious benefit from experimentation that any player has been able to prove, much less any indication that it signifigantly affects the gameplay experience provided by the final droid object. There is a slight possibility that it somehow affects our chances of critical failing or not on the final assemble, but the high quality resources needed and time consuming nature of experimented items (by hand or by factory) makes it not cost-effective for most DE's to spend the extra time/resources necessary to experiment on them for this undetermined benefit.
Yes, you posted that in response to my disagreement to your disagreement with Pallida. After which Pallida made no further comment on the thread. If all responses to questions on experimentation were like this then there wouldn't be a problem.
Pallida is just a troll, EnigmaBSc. Check out his other posts ("bump six of eight!"). He has proven he cannot have a rational discussion, just that he likes to spout off at the mouth, not back it up in any way, shape or form.
I'm afraid I can't check out that post, the thread has been deleted. Since I do not know the reason for the thread being deleted I cannot pass judgement, but when I read it previously Pallida had not made only one comment that could be considered remotely 'trollish'. I have read every post on this board since I registered and have never been stuck with the opinion that any of the regular posters was deliberately trolling. Just to check I read through the last pages of each of your post historys. Pallida had seven informative posts, seven humorous comments, four comments on the matter of experimentation and a few other random posts. None of them were, in my opinion, troll posts. You had seven informative posts, four posts debating the nature of the Test Center economy and a large number of posts to do with Jedi testing. Again, none of these were troll posts in my opinion.
Pallida and you have differing opinions. You have been unable to change Pallida's opinion. He does not seem to me to be unable to have "a rational discussion" as he has debated his opinions several times. He may be stubborn, but that is hardly the same as being irrational.
So, sorry, Enigma, that you can't see that we are trying to help DE's and prevent them from wasting valuable time and materials on something that in the opinion of virtually every DE is useless. If you think any of us post the correct information to "get" Pallida, you are sadly mistaken - contrary to your (and likely his) belief, the DE forum does not revolve around his lack of knowledge of how droids work in SWG.
AO
Of course I can see that you're trying to help DE's. That is not the issue. You seem to have gotten the impression that since I have sided with Pallida once on the issue of experimentation (for different reasons, which I posted and which you disagreed with) and that I disagreed with you once (here) that I am of the same opinion as Pallida. I am not. Frankly I consider the question of experimentation minor. If you have poor quality resources that you need to use up then you'd best use them in the components that community testing has shown to have no observable effects on the final droid. If you're not running factories 24/7 and it doesn't hurt then you might as well experiment on those items.
I'm just getting tired of this issue coming up again and again. It seems to me that the easiest way to resolve the issue is for people to post "as far as we know experimentation has no effect on X, Y and Z". Nobody has a problem with this type of statement. The alternative is that they continue to post "Experimentation has no effect on X, Y and Z." Pallida has a problem with this type of statement.
I don't intend to spend any more of my time on this discussion so, unless you say anything defamatory or untrue (that was a joke again
), I shall probably not post in this thread again.EnigmaBSc
EnigmaBSc wrote:
I'm just getting tired of this issue coming up again and again. It seems to me that the easiest way to resolve the issue is for people to post "as far as we know experimentation has no effect on X, Y and Z". Nobody has a problem with this type of statement. The alternative is that they continue to post "Experimentation has no effect on X, Y and Z." Pallida has a problem with this type of statement.
Message Edited by AudioOrgana on 06-03-2004 09:54 PM
AudioOrgana wrote:
Unless you are Pallida...
MachineZed wrote:
That beeing said, I kinda agree with Enigma. For the past couple of months you have been rather tame. I miss the days that I feared for my own IO port because you ripped someone a new one.
Malitevv wrote:
MachineZed wrote:
That beeing said, I kinda agree with Enigma. For the past couple of months you have been rather tame. I miss the days that I feared for my own IO port because you ripped someone a new one.
It's not Audio's fault that the professionis a lot more fun to play now and that there is therefor a lot less for us to argue about here.
It's true. 
I have to say, I'm rather satisfied with Droid Engineering as it is now. The really need to fix some of the remaining bugs (NAMING FRICKIN' TALKING DROIDS) that it's kind of silly still exist after two Droid-centric publishes, and we still need a little love around the edges (deed displays need to have real combat stats, no droid should list item storage over 10, etc.), but overall Droid Engineering is really shaping up.
To be honest, I still am shocked at how good our combat droids are now. I've been so busy selling them I have to admit that until this past week I haven't gotten to actually use them that much - 90% of the feedback on their quality/uses I have given in this forum have been from customer e-mails/tells about how much people enjoy them.
The last few days I have been leveling a combat profession, and man - these combat droids are really something. I'm out there on Dathomir - DATHOMIR - fighting 7-12K HAM MOBs with my Probot right next to me and actually helping signifigantly. At one point, I got incapped by some savage purgosis (or something like that, hehe) and my Probot kept them at bay the entire time I was incap. With a Droid Repair Kit - D, these things can really last.
Right now, we have LE tanks that a crafter can use to draw an aggro to get out of a tough situation, a Probot can be a very nice complement to a combat player, and the R3 is a nice combo of both. People who are looking for pets to fight FOR them beyond allowing a quick get-away likely aren't satisfied - but that wasn't the intention.
The utility droids were really the icing for me - the combat droids the cake. With all the hub-bub (and dissapointment) with many of the utility modules many players totally missed that lone line in the patch notes that said combat droids were enhanced- Publish 8 tripled their HAM and gave them a huge damage boost. I hear from unhappy DE's who aren't selling and I have to think it must be due to lack of marketing/education about our droids, 'cause once people are aware of what we now have they seem very eager to give me their credits.
Is everything perfect? Did the Devs always communicate the way they should have? No, but I can tell you that for the first time being a droid engineer doesn't suck and that's reason enough to be happy.
The next time TK asks for a Top 5 list is going to be a pleasure - it will be really nice for the first time ever as a DE to not have to triage a couple of dozen important topics. I can actually think of exactly five issues, which would pretty much cover all of my DE-related concerns - and that honestly amazes me, considering where we've been in the not-so-distant past.
We've come a long way, baby...
AO
AudioOrgana wrote:
The next time TK asks for a Top 5 list is going to be a pleasure
Hehehe....do we even need a Top 5 anymore?
But seriously...I know the Top issues needs updating and revision. I needed to let P7 and 8 'bake in' for awhile to see what came from it.
The GCW changes and the stuff happening for droids in space will obviously have an impact on us. It's unclear just what that impact will be (beyond a whole lot of rich DEs).
/bow
Respectfully,
.
zeeraz wrote:
Hmm sorry guys I really didn't mean to start such a contraversy with what I thought was a simple question
Yeah way to go zerraz
Welcome to the DE forums!
Pallida wrote:
strykler wrote:
Pallida.. Will you please shut your piehole..numerious players have done extensive and half-assed testing on this and everyone comes up to the same conclusion except you..
Message Edited by strykler on 06-02-2004 05:40 PM
Message Edited by strykler on 06-02-2004 05:41 PM
Geee.. a personal and insulting attack... I guess that this one will have to be reported to the moderators. Have a nice day, Strykler
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Hey Pallida..
I got a private message from a moderator about you reporting me.. wanta see it? Well He laughed and set me 2 smilies.. Evidently its not a personal attack or an insult to tell you to shut your piehole.. have a nice day..
TheRealTK421 wrote:
Hehehe....do we even need a Top 5 anymore?
We got a few bugs (FRICKIN' NAMES FOR TALKING DROIDS) that need to be fixed - it's getting pretty embarassing. About the only major issue, though, is decay on utility droids - I'm finding that combat droids decay quite nicely as-is due to incap/db's.