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Thread: What can the community do moving forward?
I do hope we will continue to get some fixes after 8, since there is certainly a lot of work to do. Many of us holdouts will stay or leave depending on how publish 8 turns out.
- keep hitting the dev's over the head with our bugs and issues list.
- beyond that, split efforts into two camps.
- one effort is towards combat proposals which we know won't happen until after the space expansion
- the other effort is anything non-combat that people may have an interest in pushing
i actually see one small benefit to getting this flat-out "combat droids will not happen until after the space expansion" announcement. It means DE's don't have to fight about whether they should be pushing combat or utility functionality with their immediate requests.
/bow
Malitevv wrote:
- keep hitting the dev's over the head with our bugs and issues list.
- beyond that, split efforts into two camps.
- one effort is towards combat proposals which we know won't happen until after the space expansion
- the other effort is anything non-combat that people may have an interest in pushing
Yea...you hit this right on the head.
i actually see one small benefit to getting this flat-out "combat droids will not happen until after the space expansion" announcement. It means DE's don't have to fight about whether they should be pushing combat or utility functionality with their immediate requests.
Exactly. This was one of the reasons that I pushed so hard for answer (even a negative one) sooner than later. Now we can hopefully get back to discussions that will actually matter and help to move us all forward.
I likened it to ripping of a band-aid...and I wanted to do it fast instead of in little pulls.
Respectfully,
Message Edited by TheRealTK421 on 04-02-2004 07:19 PM
Malitevv wrote:
- one effort is towards combat proposals which we know won't happen until after the space expansion
- the other effort is anything non-combat that people may have an interest in pushing
- Which will again make us play the same blind-mice run-around we did before, and again will be a massive disapointment - am I alone in thinking we've been there/done that enough times? Are people really going to buy in to another round of "What do you want?"
- We've been told what we can have for utility - and frankly it stinks. They have rejected every other idea as "too hard".
So if those are our options, no wonder every hour brings another DE to the board to say they are leaving the profession. 
AO
The positive note I take from it, as I need to find something positive out of it, is that this type of proposal and tweaking by the community is THE way to send ideas to them, and to get their time and attention spent on it. Downed though the proposal might be, I agree with TK that the time the devs spent hashing it over was a really good thing, and if so many hours of tweaking and working together hadn't gone into it, I don't think it would have gotten as much dev-time (not that I know how much time it got, but I believe TK's impressions, perceptions, and communications on this issue).
I also think it helps, if we can pick ourselves up and dust ourselves off from this (yeah, I know I didn't PERSONALLY add to the hybrid proposal and so aren't nearly as emotionally invested in it (sad to see it die, all the same)), that, as the person who posted the start of this thread said, we can move on and start working up some new proposals and such. The wheels are spinning in my head as we speak (not that I'm a genius, I'm just a player who has discovered I love droids, as I went up the DE tree to try it, I fell in love with droids . . .platonically speaking, of course). I've had these wheels in my head (maybe i AM a droid? eek!) on pause for a while, as I sensed that before patch 8 we'd get some kind of answer. Or hoped. While the answer is not what I hoped for, I can look to the future with a small measure of optimism. Small, because I am, after all, a DE, but I have optimism and hope nonetheless.
So! I hope no one takes this as me trying to tell YOU how to feel (can you tell I'm female IRL yet, with the stuff I talk about? lol), it is just my reaction.
And, I hope I'm welcome to contribute. Big hug to TK for posting a difficult post. /bmoc TK421.
I guess I'm just taking the Eye of Mesra's advice to me today, and I quote "I don't know, fly casual".
Casually yours,
Iree (Chilastra)
Siar (Test Center)
/bow
Shadow71 wrote:
The positive note I take from it, as I need to find something positive out of it, is that this type of proposal and tweaking by the community is THE way to send ideas to them, and to get their time and attention spent on it. Downed though the proposal might be, I agree with TK that the time the devs spent hashing it over was a really good thing, and if so many hours of tweaking and working together hadn't gone into it, I don't think it would have gotten as much dev-time (not that I know how much time it got, but I believe TK's impressions, perceptions, and communications on this issue).
Indeed...well said. The good thing about this situation is that we've really put the Devs in a situation where they had to consider droids a lot....and a lot more carefully. That can only be a positive thing for us in the long run, since they will be better minded towards our sensibilities.
I also think it helps, if we can pick ourselves up and dust ourselves off from this (yeah, I know I didn't PERSONALLY add to the hybrid proposal and so aren't nearly as emotionally invested in it (sad to see it die, all the same)), that, as the person who posted the start of this thread said, we can move on and start working up some new proposals and such.
That was my hope. I needed to rip the Band-Aid off on this issue and get us moving forward in a better, more positive way (to actually get good stuff in the queue). I hope it happens...and hope that any DEs out there will put their minds to any DE-related changes that could be included via JustG's roadmap for the game leading up to the SE (i.e. Smuggler revamp 'smuggle module' or faction combat droids for the GCW revamp and so on).
Not to mention....bug fixing.
Big hug to TK for posting a difficult post. /bmoc TK421.
Thanks...that wasn't very easy to write. I feel like I've let a lot of people down (even though I know it wasn't really my fault).
Respectfully,
TheRealTK421 wrote:
Big hug to TK for posting a difficult post. /bmoc TK421.
Thanks...that wasn't very easy to write. I feel like I've let a lot of people down (even though I know it wasn't really my fault).
There can be NO moving forward, until we know which direction is forward.
The Devs keep telling us what we CANNOT be, when they should be focusing on what we CAN be.
If we don't know which way is forward, being blind as we are, one step in the wrong direction could send us over the cliff....
The positive note I take from it, as I need to find something positive out of it, is that this type of proposal and tweaking by the community is THE way to send ideas to them, and to get their time and attention spent on it. Downed though the proposal might be, I agree with TK that the time the devs spent hashing it over was a really good thing, and if so many hours of tweaking and working together hadn't gone into it, I don't think it would have gotten as much dev-time (not that I know how much time it got, but I believe TK's impressions, perceptions, and communications on this issue).
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Shadow71 wrote:
I just am looking into the future of the profession, and I think working positively towards the future, even if there are droughts of information, or droughts of red-names in our forum, or droughts of the things we want, is the best and pretty much ONLY way to make sure some of the things we would like get attention, and hopefully into the game.
Wrong, they had to have a meeting to "invent" ways to make us think they were adding utility. With the exception of the barker module, the rest are fluff and filler.
That's a pretty big IF, (If is good . . .(I like movie quotes)), but really, the game is in the dev's hands ANYWAY, flawed human beings though they may be. And not entirely in their hands, as there is LucasArts, and all sorts of other issues and corporate types. Still, I agree they've made alot of mistakes, but I also think they have created and implemented some great things as well.
But since it IS in their hands, and they have let us know in various ways, in various forms, and through various people, modes, and channels of communication, that being positive, being respectful, working together, being creative, etc, is the way to get things considered and on their agenda, as it were, I think it wise to follow that direction. (Disappointment and other such feelings I would think anyone would understand, and I would hope they wouldn't judge us DE's for being rather disappointed today.) Being constructive, is a lot more efficient than being otherwise.
This isn't to say that people can't disagree, or debate can't take place, or the devs can't be challenged, or a myriad of other things. But in browsing various forums, I HAVE SEEN the devs respond to RESPECTFUL disagreement and debate and challenge of their views, opinions, and stated facts, even.
Please understand, I am only stating my opinion. I am not telling ANYONE whether or not they should feel disappointed, bitter, angry, hopeless, unheard, forgotten, et al. This is just how I would like to approach things, and I would hope to be able to participate in a productive process of working on more proposals to send their way via our forums, which it has been said they read, and via our correspondent.
I don't believe there is any other way to REALLY affect the future of our profession the way we'd like to. And I know it would be great to have more direction from the devs, even a hint, as to what their thoughts are on battle droids, and DC, and the faction pet idea that they may not have be able to think through yet, but we don't. I feel that with the WAY and MANNER in which they've communicated that it is best to propose ideas (working together, being creative, being positive, working with correspondent, etc.), along with the information TK421 gave us in his post about the dev's answer on the hybrid proposal (it is really OFF the table, but the PROCESS used here is THE way to do it, their determination that the proposal was unbalanced and a separate 2 or 4 tree profession would balance better, etc.), I think we can at the very least begin to work on something, or somethings, new. I believe we have enough to start.
That is my hope and my belief, as I look to the future of the DE profession, I don't see a hopeless disaster. I see possibilities. But, that's just me (another movie quote for you (I'm strange that way).
Iree
There was nothing but constructive posts here, up til Pub 6, and hope sprang eternal.
When will some people stop wishing on a star?
9 months on - still broken - Chefs and BE revampes, more planned for other professions, 2 publishes for us and still virtually nothing.
What drug are you on? Please post me some. Or is it just Rose Tinted glasses?
Message Edited by Shian_Tavkin on 04-03-2004 01:00 AM