Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: FYI: Probot nerf
I'm about half way to just up and quitting myself.
They decided to screw the only thing that I was looking foward to... good combat droids. I planned on being a DE from the very beginning. But you take away our good combat droids and we have what? Mobile personal crafting stations. Big whoop-dee-doo!
They're nothing I can't get publicly, or find someone who has a private one in a public building, such as their shop.
I wanted Episode 1 and 2 combat droids. But SOE can't even get that right. *sigh*
wow. Thinking that this company would do different on this game, than what they did on EQ was a big mistake. Reputations tend to stick with you when you don't try to change them.
AO atleast had useful combat bots. And Funcom would answer once in a while to their customer base. Unless you were a nano-tech. Then they ignored you, insulted you, and made you pay for your fixes. (guess what I played. 
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They also gave us a few free months until the game was somewhat playable and stable.
I've lost my faith in the devs of this game. I've been cut way to many times by SOE to trust them again.
I may give them another month... one charge on my credit card, to give them a chance to redeem themselves. If they do not, if they do not made DE's useful in SOME way, then I'm leaving, giving bad press everywhere I can, and convincing everyone I know that this game isn't worth the plastic discs that it's burned on.
Usually when people get this disgruntled, they go postal and shoot their boss. Unfortunately, I'mmy own boss in SWG, so that big red "cancel subscription" button is looking tempting.
-Anaka Dustlighter, Kauri. Very upset, disgruntled, and disappointed.
This is incredible, You want to nerf the probot and not give us anything worth a penny. The droid engineer will have nothing now. I have spent all this time for nothing. If you wanted to nerf the probot you could have done it slightly but 70 percent and no armor, so what was the point in me leveling to armor module 5?? The only droid that has been useful has been the probot. Once you make this into a dz70 model 2 you will completely kill of the droid engineer. The profession was already very incomplete but with this nerf you might as well just remove the proffesion entirely. How do you expect people to play this profession now?
Plus the fact that you want to do it today. You might as well just delete my account which I have spent countless hours on. We as droid engineers can't fight or do anything, why not make the probot just permadeath? or have it not recover with the call store loophole? I always thought that droids should be destcutable, but not useless. At this point we dont get uxp, we dont have any functionality.
Holocron wrote:
Creatures and droids owned by players are easy to get healed via a loophole.
Why wasn't closing this "loophole" considered a sufficient fix to the problem? If people had to find a droid engineer to repair their droid, they wouldn't be taking on packs of narglatchs, I can tell you that. The downtime for repair would make that useless.
(Anybody think there is a chance he'll leave the "Starsider is down" thread long enough to come back here and address these questions?)
Remove it? So there's no armor at all, no point to progressing in the line? Armor was supposed to scale, and didn't even seem to do that (if it did, the variance was far too low). Why not leave it in, modify the upper limit, and scale everything from there while you're at it, so there's at least a variety of usefulness and a point to progressing? You'd be killing a profession-crippling bug AND a balance issue with one stone if you go that route.
Of course, make sure people can _see_ armor levels if you do something like that (rather than every level displaying 1, like now
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All I ever wanted to be is a DE. I worked my butt off to get up to Novice, just barely after the XP reqs shot up... only to discover the profession is useless... but, I kept hearing about it... the holy grail of the DE profession... PROBOTS. Yes, I thought, there is something to look forward to... so I worked my butt off making useless droids. I went through over 50k metals... I lost count.... I had to grind and grind and grind but finally it happened! Finally I could make probots! Something I could actually sell! I was sick of seeing armor crafters selling their stuff for 60k, and CH's selling stuff for 80k, and architects selling stuff for insane amounts of cash. Finally I could make some money! Finally all my hard work pays off! I start selling probots! I sell about 18 of them at 20k each! Finally I can afford my harvestors without having to do destroy missions (which I never wanted to do in the first place). Then... this happens. The only useful thing that DEs could do is taken away... for an undetermined amount of time... just gone... they say it will eventually be fixed... but what about now? Why even bothing sticking with DE? I honestly can't bring myself to play any more. Ever since I heard about this game it's all I ever wanted to do! I love pet classes! It's either this or CH, and speaking of... 3x a master TKS.... WHAT? DEs get railroaded, and CH's get "nerfed" to 3x a master TKS?
From my point of view it's like SOE is spitting in my face and rubbing it in... they might as well come over to my house and rob me of the $50 I've spent on this game so far. Just point a gun at my head and demand the money... there is no difference. I'VE BEEN ROBBED.
Worse yet, I stuck by SOE with all the bugs, all the problems, all the people saying this game sucks and calling me a fanboy for liking it...fine, I'm a fanboy because I like the star wars universe and I like droids! Fine, I'm a fanboy for realizing that most MMORPGs have problems within the first month..... FINE, I never really believed it though, I thought this was a GOOD game... until now, because now I feel like I really am a fanboy. I must have been blind not to see how sad this game really is right now.
Maybe I will quit, maybe I will not. I must still be a fanboy for even considering keeping this game at this point... but it's true, some part of me still wants to be a droid engineer, but if the class stays this broken I might as well give up now and go back to DAOC. Thanks SOE!
Holocron wrote:
OK, now that you've read that--how will it impact you? Well, for now, you will retain customers for your probots. But frankly, probots are going to have to fall in power around 70% just to make them fall in line for now, until such time as we can get a cert system in for combat droids.
The specific changes we're discussing are to reduce the probot to around 800-900 in stats, remove their armor, and remove their armor-piercing weaponry in favor of weaponry more in line with their new level of difficulty.
Okay, holo. I just got my first probe droid and was delighted that I have been able to actually complete a rebel mission solo or at least with my droids help. Now your talking about a major blow to those droids. Pretty much a mutant womprat will be able to take out the probot. This is just plain silly. A combat droid is supposed to be powerful and a animal with claws shouldn't be able to take out a combat droid.
This is a wrong move to make after going live. Your killing us over here. I guess it is back to delivery missions for me as I don't have time to go looking for groups and personally don't like grouping for combat other then HUGE animals that need a group to kill. I only interact with people to buy things or sell things.
I am sure alot of people are dismayed at your suggestion about nerfing the probot by over 70%, 40% would be better, keep the armor and get rid of the armor piercing capability. My suggestion is more then enough of a nerf and would still keep the majority of the population happy and the DE's in business.
Ok I havent been able to use a probot yet but from what I've read here I have a pretty good idea.
I think the probot should have its health droped a bit, not as much as was stated but just a little bit less (after all its basicly just a scout droid not a war droid like the droid distoryers) leaveing the damage and armor alone and changing the health makes more sense then nerfing the entire droid. Along with the suggested loseing the insta heal giveing the owner of the bot a reason for DEs to sell them repair packs when buying the droid. Also if the bot get distroyed have it form a broken probot( or any other droid)in the owners inventory to take back to a DE for repairs. That causes some DEs to setup a type of repair shops for more sales/business.
Of course thats just my opinion and its likely been stated before.
Whatever. Read my post. I just want to be a DE. Honestly if it was just the HAM decrease, it wouldn't be much of a problem. But... no armor?!?!? What's the point of having armor (a combat type thing, wouldn't ya say?) if it can't be used on the ONLY combat droid!
This isn't a FIX... it's a SLAP IN THE FACE. Ya want to nerf probots... make the other droids do something... ANYTHING.
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Alot...well most of you are getting angry over something you havent even seen or tested whats going to happen....
Just wait till it goes live and then b!tch and moan like you do on anything else that gets changed...please tell you didnt think probots were always going to stay like this?
I will personally be glad if this happens, because it sounds like all the people that become DEs just to power skil to probots and flood the market to make some quick cash will quit...
Kebin
Master Droid Engineer of Shadowed Fates on Chilastra
Kebinn wrote:
Alot...well most of you are getting angry over something you havent even seen or tested whats going to happen....
Just wait till it goes live and then b!tch and moan like you do on anything else that gets changed...please tell you didnt think probots were always going to stay like this?
I will personally be glad if this happens, because it sounds like all the people that become DEs just to power skil to probots and flood the market to make some quick cash will quit...
Kebin
Master Droid Engineer of Shadowed Fates on Chilastra
well, good for you. but I have one of those droids and lowering all of its stats by over 70% will effectively kill the DE profession as no one will use one. What is the point in having a combat droid that can basically be killed by a crazed durni.. that is what is gonna happen.
And seriously, BALANCE. You want to talk about BALANCE SOE? How about architects can sell their goods for 10K to start with, while with these changes DEs will not be able to sell anything for 10k even after they reach master... I know this is supposed to be temporary... but this whole beta IV thing just took on a new meaning for me. This is BS.
Not only that... what about making sense... I guess they don't care about that either. Why would a droid have less HAM then ME? Makes no sense. Why would a droid have less HAM and armor then a naked newbie with no skills? Does that make sense AT ALL?