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Thread: About DE only combat droids. My 2 credits.
I would personally rather see a multitude of droids for sale then a special Master DE droid, but there comes a point where one side has to give a little in order for an argument to have any kind of resolution. You can't really tell someone that thier opinion is "wrong" because there's no factual basis to it... that's why its an opinion. All this talk of DE combat droids vs DE crafters just boils down to opinion, regardless of what "facts" anyone wants to tout. They dont mean a -thing- because it all comes down to personal preferance.
When the dust clears, we need to present some sort of acceptable plans to the Dev's or they'll just ignore us and leave usto our bickering. Prior to this announcement these forms were civil and informative... now the majority of posts break down into arguing and bickering over something that we may or may not even get. We definatly wont get it, or anything else for that matter, if we as a community turn on each other It's time to meet halfway.
As I said, I dont want a DE only droid, but if it is going to happen then the least that can be done is to give the crafters an option that appeals to them as well. That way, all sides can be appeased in some manner. This is one side of the issue that can be presented. More then one idea can be suggested I hope, and its just important to note the general level of support for each idea.
I hope that when the plan is suggested or when feedback is given its stressed that we need what we have to work and be desirable first. A few new chassis would be great. Combat droids (all-use) are needed. New moduals are required. What we have now NEEDS to work first though, or at least come along at a good pace with the new changes. Im so much more concerned with that then having something to appease me while Im involved in a profession that generates non-repeat customers that are only interested in a few very specialized products.
This doesn't have to be an all or nothing argument, and it doesn't weaken your stance to say, "I don't want X but if we have to have it, please allow X + Y" That's the only way any kind of solidarity is going to return to these boards.
~Das-Ree
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And yes, it is the only thing I will consider, the only thing you will consider is being able to sell all droids so "Pot / Kettle".
Still you add nothing constructive....
For your information, I started out saying that DEs should get no combat perks whatsoever. I said we make and sell droids, not fight. You said simply, "Nope I want a DE only droid." No logic, no give, simply stubborness.
Then I moved to saying maybe we should get a little combat advantage, why not have high end droids that DEs can use, but other classes need to master an elite profession to use (certifications). You said simply, "Nope I want a DE only droid." No logic, no give, simply stubborness.
Then I moved to saying whll why not give DEs multiple combat droids...two CL15 droids is the same as a one CL30 droid...we get to sell, you get what you really want (combat advantage and badge of distinction). You said simply, "Nope I want a DE only droid." No logic, no give, simply stubborness.
Now I am leaning toward conceding further that if we get more than 2 new droids, a DE-only droid would be acceptable. Some of the other opponents to DE-only droids have already done so. I'm sure your response will be simply, "Nope I want a DE only droid." No logic, no give, simply stubborness.
Whatever. Why don't you go ahead and quit... I would prefer your extreme stubbornness not skew the upcoming vote. You won't be staying around to see the results anyway.
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LOL...rereading your reply.....its funny how the poll is obviously flawed because it supports my position, I bet if the results were going the other way by the same margin you would be holding the poll out as you obviously being right.
Actually if you reread my post you will see that I don't feel any decision should be made unless we have a 75% concensus. If our positions were reversed, I wouldn't advocate forcing something on you that you and almost 50% of our ranks oppose. I would feel bad doing anything that half the class opposed.
Oh well. It's obvious you don't care for anything but your own selfish concerns. You don't pay any attention or think about anything any of the people on the other side of the issue have said. All you care about is you. Lots of us have tried to reach agreements that will satisfy both sides. You refuse to.
I don't care what you think anymore. Stop replying to my posts, I'm done with you. I would prefer to continue conversations with people capable of logical thought and reasoning, rather than people who sit on their high horse brimming with absolute sutbborness.
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And Kollos- Nobody NEEDS a good combat droids.
Fundamental flaw: Who NEEDS gurrecks? Ok...now how many players own gurrecks?
Fact: Non-CH creatures are being nerfed to CL10 (CL10 = Chuba...no more gurrecks)
Fact: Non-CHs are going to be limited to ONLY one pet.
Fact: Non-CHs will have to choose between EITHER a CL10 creature, OR a faction-pet,OR a droid.
Fact: Droids are currently the suckiest of the 3.
Now...based on the fact that enough players own gurrecks that people started calling the game poke*** (enough that devs felt the need to nerf creatures), and the other above facts, don't you think if we have a droid that is over CL10 and somewhat comparable to a faction soldier, we will sell a truckload of them?
Don't you think all those pet loving people will look for an alternative and start buying droids?
I hope that fact is obvious to you. No one needs pets. HOWEVER, it is a fact that players LOVE pets and are buying a truckload of them.
You have 2 choices: (1) support non-DE droids so that we can take advantage of that market, or (2) let the CHs and faction NPCskeep the whole market, and become another combat profession (one of over a dozen).
Your call.
Like I said before, nobody needs anything, it's only about what we want. Thank you Daker for repeating the obvious.
Sorry if my want for a DE-only (make that MDE only) combat droid will hurt your profits. It's not going to change my stance.
I like this alot. Would keep dabblers out and give us something cool. I would prefer stats on the upper range of those stated.
Drashk wrote:
Droideka - The Ultimate in combat droids, the Droideka, or Destroyer, would make a great addition to the DEs repertoire of droids. Acquired at Blueprints IV, the suggested stats for the Droideka are as follows; 1200 to 2500 HAM, 75 to 200 damage, and a maximum armor rating of Medium 75% Armor. Due to the extreme dedication, this module of the Droideka doesn't have any room to spare on Service Modules.
Advanced Droideka - To satisfy those that want a better combat droid that only Droid Engineers can use, may I present the Advanced Droideka. Available at Master Droid Engineer and only useable by Master Droid Engineers, this will ensure that only those that have dedicated themselves to the profession will be able to use them. The suggested stats are as follows; 1500 to 3000 HAM, 85 to 225 damage, and a maximum rating of Medium 80% Armor. Besides the upgraded HAM, damage, and armor, three other features make the Advanced Droideka a worthy prize to any Master DE. 1) 3 Droid Service Module slots 2) Optional Shielding, which could either increase the armors maximum value to Heavy 20% or max out the Medium armors resistances to 100% 3) A slightly larger appearance than the basic module.
I think DE only combat droids wont really help the class, it may keep some combat oriented DE's but from my experience this is a non combat profession. I honestly dont know why the devs are balking on any issues about giving us combat droids. There are droidekas that can be reduced in CL's in order to sell to customers.
I am also a BE and think maybe DE shld be done somewhat along similiar lines of what BE is going to get. A way to alter CL lvls and possibly attack strength and such. The only thing is tho, CL 10 will be the max that anyone can use unless they bring in a Droid handler type class.
I would be happy tho as a first step if they gave us some combat droids to sell that will be on par with anything else out there that a non ch can use. Afterall with the CH and pet nerfs, if a person has a choice to use one pet only I would prefer droids over animals.
standup_philosopher wrote:
Enough! Let's vote already!
Amen. We've beat this dog to death. LET'S VOTE!
IsaacPalinander wrote:
I supose anything is possible Jenden, but that just seems like a very far-fetched and hypothetical argument to make. Having this hypothetical serving as the lynch pin in the restraining bolt that holds back the profession is concerning. CHs, traditionally the home of the power-obsessed, are being put in their place by the devs despite the uproar against it by the power-gamers.
I'll admit it may be a little extreme, but I do think it is a lot closer than most people realize or want to acknowledge. Besides, thats not the only reason, just the one that I felt like using that hadn't been beaten to death. You still have to deal with the balance issue of giving a non-combat character something that most people are suggesting be better than the pre-nerf probot.... wouldn't that effectively do exactly what they are trying to stop with all the non-CH pet nerfs?
Jenden Morn - Master Droid Engineer - Mos Espa, Tarquinas
Owner, Operator, and Founder of DarkStar Inc.
Fact: Non-CHs will have to choose between EITHER a CL10 creature, OR a faction-pet,OR a droid.
That's not quiet a fact yet, as TH said he was going to review the faction pet and droid issue. Due to the reaction when he presented it, I dont believe faction pets will be limited that much, but will be tied to faction rank.
~Das-Ree
I have shifted a bit though, and definately want an equivalent 'non-CH pet' droid for market competition. While undecided about a DE only combat droid, instead of ranting/raving about the pros and cons of that addition, I have a better question to ask:
Is a DE Only combat droid really something we need to address right now?
In drawing a prioritized list of requests for how we can be fixed, is it really, *really* an important issue to resolve right now, not knowing what other benefits our profession may actaully get? It's not something we sell unlike the many other contributions we could make and more importantly I would be concerned that if we got it then we may not get other things. As a whole, professions are kinda supposed to be balanced (overall quality of the profession, not just combat) and I would be concerned that putting in a high level DE only droid could make us considered more valuable, resulting in a later nerf or arguments against getting better 'core artisian' type capabilities.
We as a community, need to pull together on what is really important to address NOW. We definately need to pull together something cohesive and reasonable so TH and company can start to work on it/review it *before* hell breaks loose when cities/mounts come out and their little time to devote to DE is gone.
I am not saying yes or no to this issue, I think it could have some great benefits and could bring us problems, but I do think it is not as important to address and resolve as the many other capabilities which we have before us. I would move to shelve this and see how the DE pans out with our other needs.
I agree. Why is it a problem if we're both a crafting and a combat-type class?
SnowDog2003 wrote:
I agree. Why is it a problem if we're both a crafting and a combat-type class?
Because then both parts of the profession just become watered down. If all of our modules get fixed and some of the new ones we've been asking for get put it, DE will be a very strong and competative crafting profession. If they were also to add combat, for the sake of balance theyd have to take part of that out again. If we were a full fledged combat profession and a full fledged crafting profession there would be enourmous balance issues, as you would essentially be getting two professions for the price of one. On top of that, assuming you would want it to be a decent combat class, you can currently master it much quicker than any other combat class. I'm not talking about how much it would cost, as the economy is already screwed up, I'm talking about the fact that if you have the resources/money you can master the profession in 2-3 days (you can grind out 1 advanced droid chassis every 6 seconds, that makes for good advancement time).
Jenden Morn - Master Droid Engineer - Mos Espa, Tarquinas
Owner, Operator, and Founder of DarkStar Inc.