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Thread: Probot 990 HAM, 100 120 Damage, 1.5 Attack Speed, and 0.35 To Hit

Boeda
Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:35 am
#79

I think 'J' is a CH spy. So dedicated to nerfing DEs, that he has learned our craft. Or, somthing.


In any case I take his veiws of what DEs want or the way things should be, with grain alcohol, if possible.





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CaixCatab
Mon Mar 08, 2004 2:27 pm
#80

Increased hassel for us, "regular" DE's, by increasing the amount of subcomponents, which should, theoritically, mean we'll draw upon our oh-so-usefull Artisan skillsmore often.


Which in turn, for non master artisan DE's should, again, theoritically, mean they needto hassle with other people, where as wewill be hasslingwithourselves (which can be draining enough...).


Using the the math skills that allowed me to leave pre-school, hassle + hassle = more hassle. So he should be more averse to the idea of extra components than the "regular"DE.


Eh...


I'm sorry, but sinceI doubt you were trying to tell us he's going in for a slightly rougher time asa DE with this but still thinks it's not too bad, your subtle-ness went over my head.


What was the point?



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Jnath
Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:39 am
#81

Hey TC guys, anyword on the resources needed for the new modules? Meaning any specific type of steel/copper/alum?



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Jenden
Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:45 pm
#82

check the website on my TC changes thread, its got screenshots and an excel spreadsheet.



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Alexx_Chuco
Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:46 am
#83

Hi.


I am a new DE by 3 days I just am now starting Intermediate Droid Blueprints...Whew, I see it's going to take some time to Master this profession. I have only been playing this game for 3 weeks + now.


So I was wondering where is this website you are taking about with the spreadsheets?


And if you have any suggestions I would love them,


Thanks


Alexx
Shian_Tavkin
Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:38 am
#84






Alexx_Chuco wrote:

Hi.


I am a new DE by 3 days I just am now starting Intermediate Droid Blueprints...Whew, I see it's going to take some time to Master this profession. I have only been playing this game for 3 weeks + now.


So I was wondering where is this website you are taking about with the spreadsheets?


And if you have any suggestions I would love them,


Thanks


Alexx





Alexx here you are: http://jenden.endofinternet.net/schematics/schematics.htm



I think you should study the sticky threads at the top of this forum..they will be of great help to you.


Luck






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Tal-N
Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:49 am
#85

With these new stats it does seem that the new probot will be in balance with expectations, it's actually a little more powerful than the ones currently on live. I'll repost what I put on the BE forum since we're using probots to determine a balance for our own non-ch clones.






I just checked on the DE forum to get the full results on the new probot. It looks like they have actually increased the DPS while adding additional HAM when they removed the light armor and lowered the resists. The stats are now as follows:


Adv Probot (03/09/04) 1100 HAM/ 149 - 159 Damage/ 0.75 Speed/ 0.38 To Hit


This places the effective HAM as 1375 and the DPS at 200! The accuracy is also far higher than your average wild CL15-20 mob. Running the tests again the results are as follows:


Shaupant (CL9)

Actual HAM is 900, effective HAM vs energyis also 900. DPS for this animal is 45.

Shaupants kills probot in30 seconds.

Probot kills shaupant in4 seconds!

Result: Probot wins by a huge margin, it is far higher than CL9-10


Peko Peko (CL14)

Actual health was 2329. No energy resistance so it's still 2329. Max DPS for thiswas 80

Peko peko kills probot in17 seconds.

Probot kills peko peko in11 seconds.

Result: Probot wins with 30-40% condition remaining meaning it is higher than CL14-15


so i need to take it against tougher enemies....


A Male Swamp Tusk Cat (CL17)
Actual health is 3900, effective vs energy is 4095. Max DPS is 90.

Tusk cattakes15 seconds to kill Probot.

Probot takes20 seconds to kill Tusk cat.

Result: Probot might just loseis around CL15-16, slightly more powerful than it is at the moment but still within reason.




So all in all folks you still have a decently powerful pet there, even better now that it can be repaired. The fights are going to be quick as hell though because of the raw firepower it has while being quite frail.



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Kilarny
Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:58 am
#86

Tal-N wrote:



A Male Swamp Tusk Cat (CL17)
Actual health is 3900, effective vs energy is 4095. Max DPS is 90.

Tusk cattakes15 seconds to kill Probot.

Probot takes20 seconds to kill Tusk cat.

Result: Probot might just loseis around CL15-16, slightly more powerful than it is at the moment but still within reason.





So all in all folks you still have a decently powerful pet there, even better now that it can be repaired. The fights are going to be quick as hell though because of the raw firepower it has while being quite frail.





Tal-N: Have you actually TRIED this? A Tusk Cat will eat your Probot (old or new) for breakfast and burp up spare parts.
Tal-N
Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:31 am
#87

Yes i did try this only last week with a brand new probot and a pet of this tusk cat species. The result was that as follows:

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=46558&poll_id=0&warned=y


If you run the math as I do here you'll see that the result was pretty much as the actual test went, the tusk cat won but only after taking heavy damage plus it actually ran away from the fight at this point. As for testing this on the TC no i haven't cause there is barely any active droid engineers on there and certainly none with droid vendors with these probots on them.



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kaid23
Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:40 am
#88

Now that they lost their armor rating they are pretty pointless. I have both a master de and a master bio engineer as a bio engineer I can still make cl 10 pets with about 4k ham up to 90 or so damage and 4% or so kinetic or energy resists with just random dna.

The new probe has 990 ham or so hits a bit harder and has up to 20% resists. I am not sure how well 16% more resists stacks up agains 3k more ham.

I will test both once it goes live but I expect the non ch pet will be more useful due mainly to having more ham. Since both are going to get beat like dogs more hp gives you greater leeway in stimming.

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Kilarny
Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:05 am
#89






Tal-N wrote:

Yes i did try this only last week with a brand new probot and a pet of this tusk cat species. The result was that as follows:

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=46558&poll_id=0&warned=y


If you run the math as I do here you'll see that the result was pretty much as the actual test went, the tusk cat won but only after taking heavy damage plus it actually ran away from the fight at this point. As for testing this on the TC no i haven't cause there is barely any active droid engineers on there and certainly none with droid vendors with these probots on them.







Once again I suggest you go back to your "math." The Tusk cat won, and the newer (TC) Probots are not as tough as the old ones due to armor rating reduction.
Pets running away? Well of course it did! You just asked it to sacrifice its life for you!


I guess my point is that you still don't know what you're talking about. Take a step back and think again.

Tal-N
Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:21 am
#90

I really wish you guys would stop being so short sighted. Armor isn't the be all and end all of how tough soemthing is. Neither is HAM. The end result is that when the opponent is dead before you are then you are tougher than than they are. This is exactly why a player is able to defeat amob with 12k of HAM in a solo fight despite the fact that we have less HAM and armor than them, the fact is that a player is tough because they havea high DPS as well. Yes the armor is gone, so what. The balance has been struck with them being able to hit so much harder so that they end the fight before they are destroyed. When you realise that?






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Shian_Tavkin
Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:12 am
#91






Tal-N wrote:

I really wish you guys would stop being so short sighted. Armor isn't the be all and end all of how tough soemthing is. Neither is HAM. The end result is that when the opponent is dead before you are then you are tougher than than they are. This is exactly why a player is able to defeat amob with 12k of HAM in a solo fight despite the fact that we have less HAM and armor than them, the fact is that a player is tough because they havea high DPS as well. Yes the armor is gone, so what. The balance has been struck with them being able to hit so much harder so that they end the fight before they are destroyed. When you realise that?









Kindly go away and ..... abuse yourself


We are being hurt enough already without you coming to get whatever sadistic pleasure it is you gain from your self seeking posts, useless calculations (that are always based on outdated data), and selfrighteous lecturing.


Now, bugger off !!







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