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Aakhperkare

Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:48 am

Sodan-droiddreamer wrote:

This is a thread concerning CHs asking for more dev time and resources when they ahve already recieved a lot of time.

Pluto's thread was pure trolling.

And this thread isn't trolling? Let's not start making the rules as you see fit just because you're upset. Every one of you CH haters are trolling. If you are gonna start going off on other professions for no reason, like I said. You can all go to hell. But I am curious, why CH? Why not TKA's? Or BE's or Chef?...

Aakhperkare

Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:51 am

#80

Sodan-droiddreamer wrote:

Aakhperkare wrote:

So the post Pluto9 made has been deleted and this one remains open? Someone'sbiased...rather lame...

Dev bias is seen in the difference between CHs and DEs.

And if that's true. How is it a CH's fault? This thread was started by nothing more than a whiney, childish, pathetic person and some others decided to agree with him.

Get mad at the devs for your lack of attention and leave CH's the hell alone, you're only making things worse by acting like colossal turds...

BoogerMcGee

Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:21 am

#81

Please dont make us like them! Wait wait.. I am both. I am both a master CH and Master DE (different characters) and you are right CH is a well balanced class and has gotten a lot of attention. Good for them. They are done now. Also, most of the "natural" pets have been nerfed (kinetic resistance on a graul mauler dropped from 90% to 40%.) I have been able to get around this by using only bio-engineered pets, but that is another story...

Do you really want another tree for "Droid Handler?" Make the sole purpose of this class to make stuff for ONE other class?? WooHoo... I became a DE cause I like it, and I see the potential for it getting fixed. But please let everyone use droids so people will buy them. Yes, put a cert system in, but put it into the combat classes as they exist! (ie, you can now use a rantok sword and a lvl 3 combat droid, good for you!)

DarkMist25

Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:11 am

#82

Man, nothing but CH hatred. It's impossible to rationally debate anyone about CH's, as it seems most fall back on a "and ch's shouldnt even be in the game anyway" position. CH's are as starwarsy to me as droids are to some. Star Wars is bigger then droids, starships, and the force. It's bigger then the movies. Hell, it's bigger then what's been released in the EU books. Because the SW universe is bigger then even the sum total of everything that's been relased, i'd defy anyone to state that anything isn't "starwarsy". Every person views everything in a different way, and every person identifies more with each part of the content. If some of you love droids and feel that droids are the driving force behind star wars, great. Have fun with your droids. But don't try and force your opinion of a vast universe down anyone elses throat. CH's have as much right to exist in this game as any other profession does, and shouldn't be remove just because a few seem to feel threatened by it's existence.

Say what you want about CH's. If you believe they're overpowered, you haven't played a ch. You must pick up a second combat class to go with them. You will not be killing anything of consequencewith pets alone, not without picking upgigantic supplies of pet meds. If you believe they aren't star wars enough for you then great. Don't play one. But i'll tell you one thing. CH's have never ever said "let's remove DE's from the game".

Azahlun Nai'Shadrin--Artisan,DE,Swordsman--Ahazi

SigSegV

Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:14 am

#83

New to the forums, not the game, but can't get into the game because of the Kor Vella bug so i though id check out the forums.

I thought CHers were bad in the game with their shaking the screen and being so l33t but they r even more arrogant here.

they should just take the CHers out of the game and be done with it.

Kniol

Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:07 am

#84

<<*bangs on table* HERE HERE!!!>>

Hey, guys and gals, it's "Hear, hear!" as in "We hear you,we hear you!", or even "Hear (listen to) this person's viewpoint!" not "here, here" as in "here I am, here I am".

Or are you really saying "Here Here" to attact attention to yourself?

If you're going to speak the Queen's English, learn to spell the words correctly so that others *really* know what you are saying, please!

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Aakhperkare

Fri Feb 13, 2004 7:29 am

#85

Ackis wrote:

Aakhperkare wrote:

You are a bonafied shmuck, Ackis. Is it that you have a problem with CH's asking for more content? Or would you make this much of a fuss no matter what profession it was. I hear Entertainers are being asked for mission concepts. Why not go mosey on over there and act like a turd?

Ok dickhead. CHs constantly **edit**, moan and whine for more. They've been the focus of attention for the past 6-7 months in this game, when last I looked the game has Star Wars on it, not Pokemon on it. The only reason CH has had so much time is because the devs are Pokemon lovers. Your (CH) pets are extremely annoying, as they take up the entire screen, make things shake, and other crap like that. The general person who plays a CH is a script kiddie or an annoying a$$ (like you).

Oh man, Ackis, you just won't stop. Allow me to pick your arguement apart...

As I have said before. What are CH's supposed to be doing other than looking out for their own profession? We certainly can't support DE's anymore because of people like you, Ackis. And last I looked, this is a game. Say it with me....game...

If the devs were so incredibly biased for the CH profession then each change to it wouldn't have been to bring it down in power, now would it? If the devs really prefered CH over ALL other professions, then we would be the best, bar-none.

I think YOU are extremely annoying. Maybe you should be banned. You are taking up a lot of forum space with your childish jealousy and contempt...and other crap like that.

You last sentence really made you look the wiser. 5 stars for you...

I think it's the first. Our arguement is NOT moot simply because you're a little jealous kid, it's a very valid arguement since we were told it was going to happen. That would be like me saying any of your promises are moot. Makes no sense.

Your arguement is more whining and complaining. Do you not realize that you're asking for MORE conent for a single skill box than an entire profession has? We've been told certs have been coming for months... guess what? They aren't and yet we were promised it happened. Your class starts a profession DEMANING that more creatures be put in for a SINGLE class? Who do you guys think you are? Your class has NO place in this game even. Maybe as milkers, but that is it.

Kinda like what you're doing, Ackis. Some more of the selective logic there. And how exactly are we asking for more content in one box? Now you're just making BS up. But you're good at BS aren't you?

Let me explain something to you little boy. Our PROFESSION is in the game wether you like it or not. I frankly could care less if you don't like it. Actually, at this point I am kind of enjoying your misery, since this is such a huge issue for you. Maybe you should serve as what you are acting like. A tool...

I do feel sorry for you guys and think you need much attention. But with people like Ackis behaving like a complete F-tard, just gives DE's in general a bad rep. CH's never had a problem with DE's (well, I didn't, and most didn't either I believe) until morons like Ackis started this crap.

The simple fact is, I posted my thoughts and they were well-developed, if you chose to read all of them (which I doubt as anything longer than a paragraph is too complex for you). It effects the entire game, and as a result I'm allowed to state my opinion, and I did. Just because CHs do not like people disagreeing with them, and as a result they call them names such as TROLL or F-tard when they know that they're just whining for more stuff. CHs aren't like in this game, and the only reason a lot of people are one is because it was necessary to have uber pets to kill certain things. There is no place for CH in Star Wars, and most people agree with that. Find a class that belongs in the game please.

According to you they were. But this is only about now isn't it. Since only what you says matters. At this point in your post, I find it very funny how utterly offended and/or angry you're getting. I bet you're even pressing the keys hard, huh?

Just because you don't like CH's, you have to restort to your pathetic whining. Poor baby don't like CH, UnStarWarsy OMG!!!

Here you go back to this. Ok, let's all be continuity F-tards and remove Commando's. Didn't see them in the first three movies. And Image Designers and Bio-Engineers and Droi-Engineer's (because I don't remember seeing a Droid Engineering specific person in the movies) and let's remove Fencers, Swordsman, TKA's, Combat Medics. Ahh hell. Let's remove everything but Jedi. Then it will be real StarWarsy.

Personally. I think you wouldn't know what StarWarsy was if it fell outta the sky, landed on your face and started to wiggle.

Find a logical complaint other than more of your baby-talk-like whining...

Again, the hell with you...

Go jump off a cliff, or kill yourself. Please. You're a CH, and as a result I have given the appropiate weight to your comments.

Man, I bet you hate me so much. Good, that tells me I got you were it hurts. In that dead little region in your brain called LOGIC.

By the by. That last sentence doesn't even mean anything.

Thanks for replying...

Sorackles

Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:28 am

#86

Phhantom wrote:

Million credits says their DEMANDs are met before 1/3rd of our buglist gets fixed...

Can't bet against that, As this is true....

A million creds?!?!? I would bet 100 million creds on this happening. Lol. Every patch there seems to be something added to either help CH's or nerf them. If they spent half the time they do on CH's to fix other classes, this game would have no bugs at all.

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Ackis

Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:56 am

#87

Pluto9Moon wrote:
Ackis you have no right to tell anyone to go back to their own forum. As you have stated all forums are open to all people. Fair is Fair. Unless you are gonna kick and scream with shiane. I hope you bother holding your breath til you turn blue too...thats my favorite.

That was your (CHs) argument... so it's allowed when a CH makes it, yet not when a DE makes it? Figures.

Imperial Captain Ackis Losackego - Über f335h

Abanathie

Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:43 pm

#88

DE's have two combat droids (and one of those shouldnot even beallowed to exist). Yes, we have the R-series droids, treadwells and so on. How many creatures can a CH tame? Let the DE get some more droids to build before making those demands. We've waited a long time to play Star Wars, not Pokemon.

Oh, and I am not sorry that you got nerfed. Personally, I would rather play DAOC rather than Pokemon. I would rather play something that did not falsely advertise itself. CH's were overpowered, and I am glad that issue was addressed.

However, you are right about us (well at least me)disliking the CH profession. We are jealous that creature pets became the premiere combatants over droids. It made the game, at least for me, unfulfilling and reminded me of a kid's cartoon. Now that we are seeing other classes coming to the forefront, SWG has gotten a little bit more interesting. Just for the record, I don't dislike creature handlers. I hate theconcept of the CHprofession and what it had done to the game and the DE profession. Nothing personal to any of the CH players.

But don't worry about what I think or feel. I got a feeling that after Publish 8 (yes, I am more interested in the utility droids and modules) that I will quit this game. The DEV seem to really hose things up on a regular basis. If they don't give me a good variety of useful things to sell, I'll give EQ II, DAOC or some other game a try.

For example, DH or not. Yes, no, yes, no... Make up your mind. Go ahead and do the DH, but do our utility droids first with a limitednumbercombat chassis added in for the later DH.

I think that it is a slap in the face that the Devs just decided to go ahead with the combat droids first. All of the DE's want new utility mods (Devs your making some right). No one seems to agree on the combat droid issue. It would seem to make more sense (and concern on the Devs part) if they went ahead with what most DE's want. Let the discussion on combat droids continue and try to come up with a solution.

But no, the "this is what you get - end of story" statement is only going to make things worse.

PS - I was almost sold on the DH idea. It was far better than getting more CL10 combat droids (which really won't boost our sales at all).

Berton Abanathie

Shian_Tavkin

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:49 am

#89

Pluto, you really are one of the most arrogant CH I have ever met.

You costantly post based on presumptions and false premises.

You accuse me of hatred towards CH and then say that is holding the DE profession back. WRONG on both counts.

Then you tell me I am afraid? If more people flock to DH i will get what I want eh? More droids than Pets eh? Well that shows how much you understand the issue. I do not want more droids than pets VIA this method. Gottit? DH will attract the wrongness that is currently CH.

So, you presumed, and you are WRONG again.

I am afraid to work to be a combatant am I? You arrogant fool, you know nothing about my playstyle nor about my combat abilities (and thats my affair not yours..suffice to say I have some and I'm not afraid to use them). You don't know me from Eve.

Again you presume to know my desires by saying I want to be 'Uber'. WRONG again

I am not a supporter of DE is 'crafter only', and I use my skillpoints so I dont have to be a pure crafter.

I do not want DH for several reasons, but primarily because it would have been 'metallic CH' and the poke*mon kids would 'flock to it' to use your own words., So who wants to be a DE who is dependent on 1 uber class to sell to? Especially when that class is made up of the likes of you?

The CH/BE relationship is one design, but just because it exists is no reason to duplicatethat relationship in b*stardized format for DE. BE have a ton of functionality that is not CH related (and thats all good and fine) but DE make droids and sell Droids, and sometimes even fight with them (such as we can). We want to sell to all, not a bunch of Doodz who flocked from the dying CH profession. More than that we want to help everyone with utility as well as combat.

So in closing, unless you can get me under hypnosis, please stop with your psychological insight into what I think and feel. You are always WRONG. I am afraid of nothing you have listed.

..stop digging your own CH grave, the hole is deep enough already.

Shian -- Master Droid Engineer/ Master Artisan

Ackis

Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:17 pm

#90

Very well put out post Shian.

We don't want to be a "clone" of CH, nor do we want a class to be created that is a clone of CH. One of the biggest problems I have with CHs (and a lot of other people have it as well) is the fact that the elite pokemon kiddies decide to pull out a huge creature from thin air and then just have it stay in the middle of the cantina, cave, dungeon, etc.. Another problem I have is with the damn screen shaking, but that can't be blamed on CHs.

Imperial Captain Ackis Losackego - Über f335h

OutlawEdi

Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:13 pm

#91

Let's try for a little clarification.

Pluto9Moon wrote:

Fact 1) Publish 5 was unwanted by CH's, DE's wanted to see an end to pet wars.No... EVERYONE wanted to see an end to the pet wars, except CHs. I was a CH at the time and even I hated the overreliance on pets.
Fact 2) Publish 6 got little done for DE's because even they cannot make up their minds.No. Publish 6 had little done for DEs because priorities changed and those priorities came from on high. And DEs said the same things all along, it's just that it was reduced to it's lowest possible meaning and the misinterpreted on top of that.
Fact 3) Publish 7 will get very very very little accomplished in the way of combat droids because DE's cannot decide whether they are Crafters or Combat.The Majority of DEs do not want to be a combat class as evidenced by the numerous opinion polls we've taken. The real reason Combat Droids won't happen any time soon is that the Devs want them to be made for a limited market and WE the DEs do not.

Hypothetical 1) DE should stay crafter. It mirrors BE, WS, AS, Tailor amd Chef. It remains balanced.As far as the class mirroring WS, AS, Tailor and Chef yes... But mirroring BE, no. BEs don't make most of their money selling pets to Creature handlers. They make it selling BE enhancements for clothing and armor, at least all the ones I've talked to in game. If they make our profession correspond to BE without a source of income that corelates to BE cloth (or whatever it is they make) there will be absolutely NO improvement to the class.
Hypothetical 2) The Droid Commander does not have to be like CH. As a matter of fact as a CH I would resent an exact duplicate template. As I have stated before I see CH as the brawler line of pets. Whereas I see DC as a shooter line of pets. Here is were you can fill 12 boxes with "stuff" to make an entire profession. There are 6 weapon damage types: Heat, Cold, Electricity, Blast, Energy, and Acid (not counting Stun and Kinetic). I could spend 30 minutes thinking how to place boxes and what each branch of a tree might represent: Maintnence (better LE Repair Droid repair per level {granted it has to work first}), Weapons Systems (insert use of better CL and progressing to LLC and Flamethrower type weapons here), Target Acquisition (Guard, Guard Area, Guard Red Agro mobs, maybe Guard Faction??), and Special Attacks (a Strafe Shot or Cone type Damage). Logically one should not have to be a special class in order to tell a droid what to do. That is where most of us find our objection to the idea of a DH class (aside from the limited market). It becomes difficult, for me and (I suspect) other people, to suspend our disbelief at the idea of someone needing special training to tell a pre programmed artificial intelligence to "attack" regardless of the complexity of the machine. Just as it is in watching a movie the best way to ensure that the product is enjoyable is to make sure the audience/customer is able to believe what is on the screen. Now I am willing to suspend my disbelief to great lengths. I can accept creatures as part of the game because it is logical for them to be there, and by extension for there to be someone to tame and train them. I could accept a DH/DC/Whatever if packaged right but there would always be that nagging part of me attacking the believeability of such a class.
Hypothetical 3) Someone should rally your profession around embracing Hypo 1&2 (such as I've tried to do). Present a solid plan for DC. No thanks. I'd rather have more utility for droids. So we have a market to sell to.
Hypothetical 4) The sooner you community embrace something consolidated the sooner it will heal. From the very beginning, indeed even Beta, DEs have been clamoring for bug fixes first, more utility second, Combat droids last. Most of what I've read in lurking these boards and the Beta boards about combat droids is from people suffering from "CH envy" (That was the term I gave it, was a CH at the time) and lately it's been "Droideka envy." The DEs have been fairly united in our voice to have our bugissues fixed first and new content added later. Instead everyone else wants to jump into creating a new and unnecessary class (or so some believe).

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