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Thread: About DE only combat droids. My 2 credits.
Sure, if you want your fun, go spend those spare 158 points and master TKA and Pistoleer in addition to MDE. You'll be far more useful to your combat-oriented group than as a DE.
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Basically, what I'm saying is that their intent doesn't follow the actual code that they are releasing (in no small part due to the $$$ that CH accounts represent and the fact they have shown a marvelous proclivity to not listing to TC players).
Well I 100% agree with that.
There hasn't been a single change in the game since it came out that I thought actually fixed the problem devs were aiming for.
I have 500 posts of "please don't do X...it won't accomplish what you are trying to do" to prove it. 
Sintrosi
I think I see now why people want DE-only droids so badly, mainly being that CL10 cap. If the combat droids we can sell are capped at CL10, then basically there would be no good combat droids that we could create or sell without DE-only ones.
I think the certification or some other balancing system was supposed to allow >CL10 equivalent droids. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the restrictions to CL10 is so that a guy who just entered the game and was given 60k credits couldn't buy some high level pet and power level using it. Certification was supposed to solve this problem, and gradually allow droids to players as they got more powerful. This implies that other players would be able to use greater than CL10, hopefully as high as 40 for the masters of elite professions.
Sintrosi has commented that this certification system is probably far off, and that a temporary solution is to get a DE-only droid now. I can understand this sentiment, since otherwise we'd be left with crappy combat droids.
Is it objectionable to you, if this DE-only droid became the highest level droid we can sell once a balancing system is installed, such as certification? If not, then I say let's go with it and figure out which droid we want that to be. In terms of how it would eventually be certified, some people have suggested that it only go to Masters of combat professions. I think it might be a better idea to link it to generic combat points, but either way works for me. From the sounds of it, this was acceptable to Sintrosi, and I think it would win over a lot of those saying "no" in the current poll. That is, a DE-only droid being made for us until a proper certification system is in place which enables us to sell droids of this power.
If it is objectionable to you, then we're back to square one of asking why does it *have* to be DE only if we can sell CL30 or so combat droids to others (assuming that there is a balancing system for the distribution of these droids)? Why only have that bonus in combat, and not medicine for example? Maybe some droid crafters like to bedoctors as well, so why not have a DE-only droid that gives the best medical bonuses? OraDE-only creature handler droid? Ad infinitum. The idea seems absurd to me, because the same reasons given for DE-only combat apply to all these other areasand yet they would make great products to sell to those professions.
I think the step-wise measure that Sintrosi suggests is the most acceptable to the most people:
1) Introduce a hand-ful of CL10-15 combat droids that can be sold to everyone, and one ~CL40 droid only for DEs.
2) Introduce a certification system. Buff up some of the droids that are CL10-15 or add new droid chassis.
3) Let the top level droid become sellable to the highest certified people.
(or combine steps 2 and 3)
Is this better?
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Sintrosi has commented that this certification system is probably far off, and that a temporary solution is to get a DE-only droid now. I can understand this sentiment, since otherwise we'd be left with crappy combat droids.
I'm not sure Iagree.
(1) The CL10 limit ONLY applies to creatures, not droids or facton pets. Everyone can still have a probot.
(2) EVERY class is going to be in the same boat. Every class is going to belimited toONE CL10 creature, droid, or faction pet. Instead of looking of that effect on DE pets only, see the forest not the trees.
Right now everyone has CL15 creatures. They will be replacing them soon. They question is: With all players being limited to ONLY ONE pet, what will they choose...CL10 creature, droid (CL less than 10), or faction pet (CL20+)?
The obvious choice is faction pet, followed by the instinct that has been instilled in their brains thusfar (creature). Without players getting to have multiple pets out at once, we will be hurting for sales.
The temporary solution NEEDS (WITHOUT QUESTION) to be that we need some combat droids usuable by everyone. Without them, there is no we. We will have no market, we will get only a sub-par DE-only combat droid that doesn't do much for us, and we will be gimped even worse than we are now.
DE-only droids are wants, not needs. Any temporary solutions MUST involve needs.
(3) Understand that we are going to left not just to crappy combat droids, but also to a crappy market.
(4) Certifications in various professions ARE hard. I'm opposed to them. Giving DEs a "Droid Count + 1" is easy. Esay fix = no temporary solution required.
One issue people seem to be overlooking is that the way Sinstrosi put it they are going to add the combat droid before fixing our bugs.
That is plain wrong. Fix our bugs then add the combat droid. Please.
Make the BLL have a purpose. Let the repair droid repair. There are dozens more.
For once I disagree with you. A CL40 droid? I know that's just a random number, but that is just going to open the floodgates on people coming to the profession just for that droid.
That is way too good of a DE-only droid. It needs to be lower level. The main complaint is people would just skill up DE to obtain the great droid. You need to ask for a lower level droid, one that is slightly better than what we can sell. I'd prefer no DE-only droid.
Not something that is so good. Do CH get a CL40 pet? Don't know why I'm asking that. I don't think you should advocate turning us, even temporarily, into the droid version of the CH class.
Please rethink your position. Many of us do not want to be turned into a CH clone.
I understand where you are coming from CL40 was just an arbitrary number. I think CHs can use CL50 or 70 pets. If we had a pet around 35 to 40 the power gamers will still stay with CH since they will still be more powerful.
Regardless I am not fighting for either opinion. The decision will be made by SOE once they have a chance to get all of your input. 
Oh and I would certainly want the higher combat droid to be an MDE only droid so no one can "dabble" to get the good droid like they do in CH. In fact I imagine SOE wouldnt allow it since they are trying to change it for CH.
In addition, I don't agree with the argument that if we don't get some uber pet, that nobody else will. If anything, we're the least likely to get it. A profession that is supposed to know how to work with combat and groups is most likely target for the baddest - Squad Leader.
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For once I disagree with you. A CL40 droid? I know that's just a random number, but that is just going to open the floodgates on people coming to the profession just for that droid.
So what? It's not an exclusive club. This sounds like more of that greed thing to me. Sorry, but I can think of no other reason? Who cares if there are lots of DEs -- especially if playing a DE is fun!No wonder there are so few -- DE stinks right now. It's gimpy. Actually, its jank and gimpy.
Sintrosi, while I agree with your view I want to say that, even if I didn't, that would be cool with me too. As long as you convey the multiplicity of voices to the devs, it's all good.
Oh, I see. I had no idea the level of the CH pet. Wow, there's is that high and our probot is only CL 16 or so? Of course I'd say they are more of a combat class than we are since we exclusively come from the artisan tree, but that's another debate entirely.
CL40 it is then, and yes. I know it's random, but just sounded high since the adv probot is only CL 16. 
A greed thing? If it were a greed thing, I'd WANT a great combat droid because then I could run the high level missions for easier money.