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Thread: DEs and DEA Admins Rally To ME!!! Sample Announcement Regarding the Droid Invasion and Hybrid Plan

Deidre_DE
Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:20 pm
#53

This is now posted in the Starsider Forum.


Deidre


Sodan-droiddreamer
Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:21 pm
#54

Awesome, Deirdre. You raised an issue, then did something about it.



Sodan Droiddreamer (GEGN)
Sodan's Exotic Droidgarten - In Bohemian Grove (Geigen Shuttle), Tatooine (6156 7275)
TheRealTK421
Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:41 pm
#55






Sodan-droiddreamer wrote:

You raised an issue, then did something about it.




Sodan,

I'm trying to get on with "pushing things" but I wanted to put up an issue that I know will come up...

Balancing melee vs. ranged players vis a vis the Ranged Support tree as a sort of 'cert'.


That's something that we need to nail down and revise on this. Balance, balance...



/bow

Respectfully,






TheRealTK421 a.k.a. "Doughbacca"
SWG DE Correspondent
Co-Founding member of Ahazi DENet & SWG DEA (Droid Engineer Association)
"I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. ...I'm certainly not. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."


Sodan-droiddreamer
Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:43 pm
#56

Ok, TK, agreed. I will start a new thread. Can you pls post what the concens you heard from the Corrs there?



Sodan Droiddreamer (GEGN)
Sodan's Exotic Droidgarten - In Bohemian Grove (Geigen Shuttle), Tatooine (6156 7275)
Sodan-droiddreamer
Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:57 pm
#57

Let's take the melee discussion here:


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=droid_engineer&message.id=73193





Sodan Droiddreamer (GEGN)
Sodan's Exotic Droidgarten - In Bohemian Grove (Geigen Shuttle), Tatooine (6156 7275)
Sodan-droiddreamer
Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:12 am
#58






TheRealTK421 wrote:





Sodan-droiddreamer wrote:


This is not a flame; its an expression of one DEs desires...


TK, I think there's an important difference between being realistic about the devs development schedule and being constructive and enthusiastic in our demands for an adjustment to that schedule. I appreciate that you are trying to keep our expectations low so we are not disappointed, but at the same time we need you to be and ADVOCATE for us on the plan and not stifle our enthusiasm for it.


Hey...I'm as enthusiastic as the next guy. That's not the point. I can only do so much, Sodan. Ultimately, there does come a point where it's up to the Devs to move forward in some way.


I do beleive you ar pushing for the plan with the devs, but I would prefer that you not put a damper on our efforts to be constructive and forward-thinking here.


Nope...just trying to keep it real, that's all. I am staying the course on the proposal to push it, Sodan. You can't see it...but I am.


We've had 19 pages of discussion on the plan, most of it very constructive. Ranting has been at a minumum. We have tried to work up a plan within the devs game limits and we just want our voices to be heard. No one is flaming the devs on the Hybrid plan when we say "Pls implement it soon! We want combat droid in the game in a fair and balanced way such as the one we propose!"


By the way, if possible, it would likely help a ton if we revised it to a ver. 3, to roll in all the current variants, concerns, issues, etc. If you want help on that, lemme know and I'll dig in a bit (aside from other Corr. stuff I need to stay on top of...).


Managing expectations is one thing; curbing our enthusiasm is another.


I want to be clear...

I'm not trying tocurb enthusiasm over this. It IS a strong plan with 'legs'. At ths same time, I can't have DEs and non-DEs alike working under the unrealistic assumption that the proposal is done deal for Publish 8.

That's not fair and right to all of you either. I'd rather deal straight with you as much as I caninstead of wear rose-colored glasses.I will continue to champion this...and, as I've stated, the proposalhas already been seen by the Devs.

Please...don't forget that Runesabre has stated that theydo want to get these >CL10 droids into the game (he agreed with us) that doing a 'metallic CH' wasn't really looking good to them either.



The devs have changed their schedule before; chef got a boost before DEs did and we were promised a fix first.It is our hope that they will see the positive energy poured into this and say, "yes we will implement this soon" or "yes, we will implement something like this soon." I think the hybrid plan is a solution for the devs to the widepsread discontent on the "invasion."


Yup. That's one way to spin it for them. I'm still encouraged by the plan, Sodan. I encourage ALL DEs to read it, try to add to it and revise it to build the best possible plan that we can. Getting info in there that will help it to be balanced and uniformly accepted (to the degree that is possible) by DEs is important too.

If we speak with a one voice to say.......

"WE WANT THIS...!!!"

...then we will be more likely to get it. When?

I can't answer that.....I simply do not know.





/bow

Respectfully,









Yep, I think we're on the same page, TK. Thanks for your help with this. I also know that the armor nerf is chief among our concerns, thanks for your help with that.


I also want to de-emphisize the "Sodan" part of the "Sodan Hybrid plan". I have beena major proponent but many have contributed. Heck, even Kollos has us scratching our heads on how to properly do exp for the plan and he's against it.


Another thing to stress is that I am pushing this plan because there aren't really any other viable options. The devs rejected certs for everyone, which we asked for. We rejected Droid Handler/Metal CH and now even runsabre agrees. The devs have all but said no to a mini-tree plan. So how do we bring in good combat droids without letting every noob put things out of balance? How do we address the devs skillpoint/time sink balance concerns? While some details need to be worked out, I think the DE Community's Hybrid DE Plan answers these problems.







Sodan Droiddreamer (GEGN)
Sodan's Exotic Droidgarten - In Bohemian Grove (Geigen Shuttle), Tatooine (6156 7275)
Shian_Tavkin
Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:46 am
#59

TK


The one thing I won't do at this time is relax..not a hope.


I post a forward looking, positive, constructive and enthusiastic post and I get a TK breakdown laced with valium in response.


I know more about multitasking teams of developers in a complex IT environment than I would wish on anyone, and all I am trying to say is that while its laudable that you try to set minimal expectations, it's also laudable to have enthusiasts demonstrating that there always is a way if the committment from the Devs is there. If you dont have that then the liklihood is that people sigh in resignation and accept the (in this case poor) set of cards they have been dealt. It doesn't have to be like that. You, me, Kollos, Sodan and oh you know who I mean..its quite a list.. understand these things, but there are a ton of people come into and out of these boards every day who we wont see here again for weeks, and I want to make sure that nobody doing that goes away with the impression that it's a done deal and it's all over.


Your job, as you well know, involves communicating this enthusiasm to the Devs and I'm certain you are doing that already. I could take wild guesses what is going on at SOE right now but I wont because then I'd be speculating.


But back to your asking me to relax..nope. Once a body of people relax, you can bet that any group of understaffed and overworked developers (every IT department in the world) will breath a sigh of relief and say 'Good, they are quiet so they are happy' and MOVE ON to more pressing matters. It is just the way it works.


So, let me keep my enthusiasm, even let me have my dreams...I don't think I need you to tell me what is realistic or not, I'm sure I can work that out for myself. All I need you to do is keep communication going. Certainly not try to pour valium down my throat..


So, nice and friendly, stop pouring, especially to me and the others who know full well the SOE story. I know its not a done deal for Pub 8, but I also know the morale of the DE's needs to be kept up, and hope is the only thing that can do that. Pointing out that there is realistic hope is not wrong. If we had no hope the forum would be empty now wouldn't it?


So..the short version is you do your job and I'll keep hoping and saying things are possible Ok? The bottle to me is half full, not half empty and I dont want to change that attitude thankyou very much.


We will progress, but not through relaxing, and on that we may just have to disagree.



Shian -- Master Droid Engineer/ Master Artisan
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