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Thread: Droid Focus (Interplanetary Survey): Information, discussion and bug-reporting (04/23/04)

TheRealTK421
Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:06 am
#53






Pooka wrote:

See what resources that are available?


I can do that more easily with swgcraft.com or other fansites...


If it's kept up to date, which it sometimes isn't. I have some Unknown Solid Petro Chem Fuel on Ahazi that has NEVER been reported on SWGCraft.com. I agree that SWGCraft.com (or DENet resource reports, for that matter) make this droid less attractive.

I've already raised it as a major issue with the Devs. I do not yet know what we will see in the email so this might be getting worked on right now. I haven't heard back yet on this...so no news may, in fact, be good news.

We'll see....


I can't see this being a seller at all to be honest, I sure wouldn't buy one. And as far as I can tell, all other crafters that I know of that dig for resources wouldn't bother if you only get an "Availability list" sent to you.



I think it's a situational thing, really. If I wanted to find out info on a planet's resources but also be able to go on a hunt with buddies, this droid lets me do both at the same time, effectively.

That, I think, may be part of the intent behind its use. It lets you at least find out what's out there while leaving you time to do other stuff.

Again....................we'll see.




/bow

Respectfully,






TheRealTK421 a.k.a. "Doughbacca"
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Co-Founding member of Ahazi DENet & SWG DEA (Droid Engineer Association)
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Wire3k
Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:29 pm
#54






TheRealTK421 wrote:





Pooka wrote:

See what resources that are available?


I can do that more easily with swgcraft.com or other fansites...


If it's kept up to date, which it sometimes isn't. I have some Unknown Solid Petro Chem Fuel on Ahazi that has NEVER been reported on SWGCraft.com. I agree that SWGCraft.com (or DENet resource reports, for that matter) make this droid less attractive.






Ok chief - then why didn't YOU list it? swgcraft is fabulous - but you can't play little red hen - everyone needs to contribute.



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Kollos
Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:34 pm
#55






TheRealTK421 wrote:



If it's kept up to date, which it sometimes isn't. I have some Unknown Solid Petro Chem Fuel on Ahazi that has NEVER been reported on SWGCraft.com. I agree that SWGCraft.com (or DENet resource reports, for that matter) make this droid less attractive.








Are you sure about that? All data on SWGCraft older than about 5 months (from now) was archived about 4 months ago because the database Trokk was using couldn't handle the load. If your resource is older than that, there's an excellent chance that it was reported, but that it was removed during the archive.


I have several resources in my hoard that aren't currently listed on SWGCraft, but I also know for a fact that they were listed before the archiving took place.



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TheRealTK421
Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:04 pm
#56

Okay....


The listings of SWGCraft.com aside, keep in mind:


There are players out there that do not ever visit or use these very forums or would not ever know about SWGCraft.com.


I know these folks may be limiting themselves by being out of the loop but we have to recognize they exist and try to work that into what happens with this module.


...just something to consider.



/bow


Respectfully,




TheRealTK421 a.k.a. "Doughbacca"
SWG DE Correspondent
Co-Founding member of Ahazi DENet & SWG DEA (Droid Engineer Association)
"I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. ...I'm certainly not. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."


Dsabre
Sun Apr 18, 2004 3:08 pm
#57

just to throw a chef opinion into the mix:

I would really enjoy just being able to have a list of spawns for each planet...without having to go to all of the other 9...why use 10 droids a day...you're obviously on 1 to begin with...so if the usage remains the same...why waste 1.

that being said I think that from a chef standpoint being able to find a wp of the highest concentration for a resource with stats on another planet would eliminate a significant portion of the challenge and fun from the chef profession (yes we are all oddballs and for some odd reason enjoy doing this).

however just generating a list would only be useful for flora...as there is never the same flora on any 2 planets...unlike minerals, and chemicals (I think chem too...might just be minerals).

so perhaps give the droid 2 "options" 1 option being return a named list...which is what it should be doing now...but I've heard its still not even doing this. the 2nd option being grab the stats for a resource on the planet you are on. you'd still have the "time sink" of travelling to that planet...but reduced annoyance at having to roam around in case you can't find a trace of the resource you're after at the starport you chose to shuttle into. you'd also still need survey skills to quickly find that nice 80%+ concentration spot...so shouldn't hurt the surveyor's at all. the wait time on the stat find mission should be reduced to 1 minute as well...since you're already on the planet...most of the "wait time" i.e. travel time for the droid should be eliminated.

this wouldn't really affect surveyor's too much...as they could honestly find a spot, drop a harvester, and wait 1 minute or so for it to pull up a sample...as long as the concentration isn't 0...costs about 3k per planet...but more effective than hand sampling, and having to find a 30% spot for each resource.

oh and the 15 minute wait thing needs to be reduced if you can only send out 1 at a time...if not 15 minutes is fine.

as far as that vertex thing goes...yeah...should probably be changed to generic gemstone....I may not be an armorsmith...but I've seen those prices...if/when you can find any for sale.

charges...well not a DE either, so it would be up to the DE's as to how much factory time they want to devote to these things...which I honestly think might sell more than 1k per day multiple or single use. more charges = less work but maybe less profit for DE's...but with the more profit part...all you may end up being able to do is make these droids...assuming you have the resources for it.
MrWizzard
Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:18 pm
#58






TheRealTK421 wrote:





I think it's a situational thing, really. If I wanted to find out info on a planet's resources but also be able to go on a hunt with buddies, this droid lets me do both at the same time, effectively.

That, I think, may be part of the intent behind its use. It lets you at least find out what's out there while leaving you time to do other stuff.

Again....................we'll see.




/bow

Respectfully,








just thought I'd point out that droid engineers dont necessarily have combat skills


while yes, I have a second account on which I use to hunt, I also have a second computer, to go with that, and can hunt and survey/shop whatever at the same time (not craft.... tried that before and the rancor wasnt happy at the gp modules I started throwing its way)





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Jenden
Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:22 pm
#59






MrWizzard wrote:





TheRealTK421 wrote:





I think it's a situational thing, really. If I wanted to find out info on a planet's resources but also be able to go on a hunt with buddies, this droid lets me do both at the same time, effectively.

That, I think, may be part of the intent behind its use. It lets you at least find out what's out there while leaving you time to do other stuff.

Again....................we'll see.




/bow

Respectfully,








just thought I'd point out that droid engineers dont necessarily have combat skills


while yes, I have a second account on which I use to hunt, I also have a second computer, to go with that, and can hunt and survey/shop whatever at the same time (not craft.... tried that before and the rancor wasnt happy at the gp modules I started throwing its way)








even if you don't have combat skills, there are other things ou could be doing. Crafting droids, stocking vendors, just hanging around in the cantina, whatever you normally do.



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AltharXXX
Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:59 pm
#60

LOL - 30 units of Vertex Crystalline Gemstone

Guess this unit isn't going to be showing up on some servers for a while.


I've been waiting 2 months for this stuff on corbantis.





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If that doesn't get you, then start reading current military specifications for combat equipment.
AltharXXX
Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:17 pm
#61

This droid shouldn't be disposible. It should occupy a slot in your datapad so that you can only have one out at a time. Make them use 30 radioactive every time you want to use it.


Player based economy - the over-riding factor here is going to be cost oftransist (as defined by SoE) vs the droid. It's quicker for me to go to Endor open up my tools(PLURAL)and shuttle hop out than to use this droid.


Requiring that I have a survey tool in inventory is griefing me. It's a survey droid for bleep sakes - complexity in getting things done does not equate to fun. (What happens if I don't have a suvey tool in inventory? yeah - there goes 30 vertex gems which puts these babies at about 30,000 creditsper right now.)


I really agree with the master artisan level suggestion - that was part of the original suggestion - make the droid find a spot which matches a specific criteria. Surveying for a spot can be a huge timesink. It's not much fun to do it either. And it makes for horrible RP.





Althar Maru, Flurry Janta Assassin
status: retired

Would you care to test out a 400 year old sword to see if it's decayed to condition 0? All the prior testers have no comment. Perhaps a gun which was used in WW I and still fires with high accuracy upto 1km?

If that doesn't get you, then start reading current military specifications for combat equipment.
AudioOrgana
Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:00 pm
#62






AltharXXX wrote:
LOL - 30 units of Vertex Crystalline Gemstone

Guess this unit isn't going to be showing up on some servers for a while.


I've been waiting 2 months for this stuff on corbantis.









No one had ever heard of it that I had talked to...don't ask me how but I was in the sticks on Dantooine the other day and found one of those "spare stock" resource vendors that never get visted. With three days left to go on the sale, I found 100K stack of the stuff for 2cpu.


I bought it, and just for the heck of it I have been out searching for more, just to see if it exists; can't find any.


Everything else for the modules is pretty pedestrian, and one thing I am pleased about is that for the most part the modules didn't have tons of required MA parts.


AO

Envoy3113
Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:50 am
#63

The reason the tool is used out of inventory is the reason you can only choose one type of resource to look for. If the tools were in fact built in, you would need one of each tool...Or huge stacks of named sorted crates. Which still applies towards the huge stacks of inventory tools. Which prolly acctually all falls back to storage space allocated to the player. Either way it's pain in both directions.

Or if it is made with one 'full spectrum' survey tool, I'm sure it would be chock full of more components.


I don't think is valid for the average player to be depending solely on these for their rounds. However it can save time and credits when used primaraly on advanced planets while you hit closer to home. I can only see this as limited for the advanced player save to check on any rare and or random shifts. Still, availible stock vs. demand will eventually tell it's fate.


I'll use em in a situation where I just maintained a feild yesterday, but today a couple things shifted.



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Jenden
Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:11 am
#64






AltharXXX wrote:

Player based economy - the over-riding factor here is going to be cost oftransist (as defined by SoE) vs the droid. It's quicker for me to go to Endor open up my tools(PLURAL)and shuttle hop out than to use this droid.







yea, but is it quicker for you to go to endor, lok, dantooine, and dathomir then to send out 4 (or 8 if you need 2 types of resources, most people don't need more than that) droids at once? Plus while they're doing there thing, you can do whatever it is that you want to get done.



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Pallida
Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:53 am
#65






Jenden wrote:





AltharXXX wrote:

Player based economy - the over-riding factor here is going to be cost oftransist (as defined by SoE) vs the droid. It's quicker for me to go to Endor open up my tools(PLURAL)and shuttle hop out than to use this droid.







yea, but is it quicker for you to go to endor, lok, dantooine, and dathomir then to send out 4 (or 8 if you need 2 types of resources, most people don't need more than that) droids at once? Plus while they're doing there thing, you can do whatever it is that you want to get done.






Just this morning... I had to take a trip to Dantooine from Naboo.. to check on my fiberplast wells... it cost me 6000cr+ to make a round trip... to ONE planet to see if ONE resource was still harvestable...


You can bet yer "assets" that I'll be using these survey droids... a lot.


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