Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: Get rid of Droid Batteries
Straker_Atrella wrote:
Malitevv, I agree that may be a problem for people who just walk around with their droids.
However, even though a Droid is just standing there next to the Doctor, and the Doctor is doing med stuff, the droid is being "used." Even though in game it may not appear so, but the Droid must be doing something. Same thing with crafting, the Droid is doing something.
Droids are different from Armor and Weapons because they have passive uses. Those passive uses will eventually wear a droid out.
I agree that there are passive uses, that is why true "use" is hard to define for a droid. I am perfectly happy with a decay mechanism that attempts to handle those passive uses. But if the decay mechanism replaces batterypower thanthat side-steps the passive use issue by assuming the droid is always being used. And the consequence is that droids will decay even when they are not being used at all. That is fundamentally unfair to droid owners in my opinion.
Straker_Atrella wrote:
If your concerned about your Droid just walking around behind you for look, think about this. How often do you put batteries in your Droid? Now how long would it before you did that 1,000 times? Yes if you just walked around with your Droid, you may need a new one every 6 months. How much Food, Armor, and Weapons will you have gone through in 6 months?
/bow
I know this might sound like a flame, but you keep changing your assumption about numbers with every other post! You said if I fought with my droid mulitple hours every day i shouldneed to replace it every couple of weeks. If I walk around with my droid out all the time then it will easily be out for quite a few hours every single day. why then are you claiming it would decay in 6 months in this case, but 2 weeks in the other case?
Anyway, non-use should not cause decay. And having the droid out is not use. That for me, is the bottom line either way.
Malitevv wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
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For those who endorse "Droid Repair" as a way for DE's to make money, think about this REALLY REALLY hard....
You assume that repair has to mean interaction between myself and the customer. It doesn't. It could be an item that I sell which the customer can use himself to repair the droid. There are many different ways that could be implemented that don't turn us into a service profession. I can't think of a good one though that wouldn't bea lot of rework for the profession though.
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But that is what we have now really. Repair Droids and such. Even if they changed things, then we would just have aother item like Stims that we could sell for 10k.
The Bazaar would be filled with people who Ground Droid Engineer, yet never made a Droid. Just made large factory runs of whatever repair tool.
Whatever the solution is,the budiness needs to go to people who are "true" Droid ENgineers. Meaning htose who make Droids, Modules, and other parts. Spending the time to get the resources and such.
Malitevv wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
If your concerned about your Droid just walking around behind you for look, think about this. How often do you put batteries in your Droid? Now how long would it before you did that 1,000 times? Yes if you just walked around with your Droid, you may need a new one every 6 months. How much Food, Armor, and Weapons will you have gone through in 6 months?
/bow
I know this might sound like a flame, but you keep changing your assumption about numbers with every other post! You said if I fought with my droid mulitple hours every day i shouldneed to replace it every couple of weeks. If I walk around with my droid out all the time then it will easily be out for quite a few hours every single day. why then are you claiming it would decay in 6 months in this case, but 2 weeks in the other case?
Anyway, non-use should not cause decay. And having the droid out is not use. That for me, is the bottom line either way.
It's simple. A Droid fighting and shooting burns far far more power then a Droid just standing there. Try it. Now try it with an Auto-Reapair module on or Entertainer effects module. They burn far more power.
What makes that Droid walk behind you? Servos, Motors and power, if it is moving it is in use. Even if it is standing there, it still beeps, and is awaiting commands. The only true time it is turned off is when it's in your data pad.
Like a computer, if it's off, you can hit the keyboard, move the mouse nothing will happen. Yet if it is turned on and ready to respond, it is in use, therefore burning power.
Right now pull your droid, have him stand there, he will burn power. He is therefore in use. He wont burn power as fast as if he was fighting or doing something else.
Part of the problem is that right now Medical and crafting modules work when the Droid has no power. IMO this is a bug and should be fixed. How does this work? The Droid just magicaally makes the Doc smarter? Hell No. When the doc is doing his Doc stuff, the Droid is moving scalpals, spraying disinfectant, administering injections right along with the doc. A Droid can't do this without power, which is why the current system is flawed.
Malitevv wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
Even if a Droid is just standing there, ready to receive commands he is burning power and doing something. The only true time he is "not being used" is when he is turned off (in your data pad.) If he is walking next to you, he is using power.
that completely sidesteps my point. in RL,running around with my armor onwill cause itwear out even if I am never shot at or hit by anything, but in the game it doesn't happen, and for good reason because. having my droid out is no different. you could technically argue that it is being "used" if it is outbut that's not the point. and who are you (I don't mean you personally) to say that I want my droid to be "on" when it is out anyway?
When you pull your speeder out, even if you don't gt on it, does it Decay? Yes.
A Droid is the same way, yet just with power. Charge your Droid, then just have him stand there. He will burn power even though he does nothing. Much slower then if he did something, but he will burn it. What the Hell does "call" mean anyway? If you think about it basically since he is not burning power or decaying (like a speeder,) he must be turned off.
Straker_Atrella wrote:
It's simple. A Droid fighting and shooting burns far far more power then a Droid just standing there.
Malitevv wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
It's simple. A Droid fighting and shooting burns far far more power then a Droid just standing there.
you keep saying that, but it is not true.
Straker_Atrella wrote:
Malitevv wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
It's simple. A Droid fighting and shooting burns far far more power then a Droid just standing there.
you keep saying that, but it is not true.
So your saying that a Droid doing nothing burns the same the same amount of power asa Droid that is shooting and repairing using Auto Repair?
No. I am not saying that and you should know it. I am saying that a droid burns the same power when fighting that it does when doing nothing. And that is a fact.
Auto-repair is a different issue. It does burn more power when auto-repair is on. but we are not talking about auto-repair. you are claiming that it always burns more power when fighting. this claim is false.
I don't know what else to say. I think its a bad idea. That is just my opinion. I've explained the reasons for it. You haven't really addressed any of those reasons in any direct way, so I've nothing more to really say other than that my opinion is unchanged.
Well, I'll offer my two cents if no one minds. If you buy a car in real live it has an unlimited life span, provided it is properly maintained and kept full of fuel. Any one can put fuel in the car but not every one can properly maintain it. For cars there are two types of decay, 1.Damage ( you hit some thing, something hits you. 2. Maintance damage (broken timeing belt, worn brakes.....) Your car needs to be taken to a "mechanic" to have damage fixed or prevented. If not the will surely delete it self from your data pad and stop functioning. How does this relate to DE and droids? 1. A droid is built, battery inserted and away we go.... 2. Battery runs out, battery is replaced by the droid owner (fuel for the car). 3. Either over time of from taking a hit (Random Rancor attack) the droid takes damage, it begins to use batterys faster, crafting stations dont work as well as time goes on. 4. Only a Droid Engineer (mechanic) can fix this damage. (much like armor decay or weapon decay). So... DE builds the Droid and the battery, the customer MUST take the droid to an engineer to have it repaired. R2D2 lived a very long time... but why? Because he was properly maintained, and not by mororns either LOL the people who cared for R2 knew what they were doing to some extent. One thing that gets me in this game is the use of extreams.... "lets just take batterys out of the game all together so people have to buy more droids" LOL now we are buying disposable cars... Yugos even. Life does not have to be this way, with some common sence and a little time we can come to a realistic answer that is good for the whole and actually makes sence (unlike bike decay which makes no sence to me at all, but thats another tangent LOL) For more information on my thoughts send Mail or tell to Totlich on Tarquinas. tot
my paragraphs didnt paragraph.... sorry folks
Malitevv wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
Malitevv wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
It's simple. A Droid fighting and shooting burns far far more power then a Droid just standing there.
you keep saying that, but it is not true.
So your saying that a Droid doing nothing burns the same the same amount of power asa Droid that is shooting and repairing using Auto Repair?
No. I am not saying that and you should know it. I am saying that a droid burns the same power when fighting that it does when doing nothing. And that is a fact.
Auto-repair is a different issue. It does burn more power when auto-repair is on. but we are not talking about auto-repair. you are claiming that it always burns more power when fighting. this claim is false.
I don't know what else to say. I think its a bad idea. That is just my opinion. I've explained the reasons for it. You haven't really addressed any of those reasons in any direct way, so I've nothing more to really say other than that my opinion is unchanged.