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Handsnake

Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:27 am

Pallida:

1) No changes from 0 percent to 90 percent in Arakyd charges. Ever. This does not change. Review your statistics. (you had to take it to become a college grad in order to pilot. Get your old texts out, or go buy some if you can't remember stats. The burden is on you to show mathematically that this lack of variance is within a margin of error. HINT: It isn't. )

2) Variation of 1 in a small test. This IS within the margin of error, as we got 1 more failure with the 0 percent in the next 5 trials. Result: Equal failure rate. The failure rate from 0 percent to 90 percent is exactly the same.

3) Speed: No variation. I trust I do not need to point at this.

Any conclusion that "Experimentation on subcomponents might make a difference" is not a valid one. There is no evidence to suggest that. I cannot prove a negative, however, if there were a difference, it would show up in these tests, as these are the only testable data points.

Since the above qualities are the ONLY statistics for the Arakyd droids in use, and there is NO difference between 90 plus percent and 0 percent subcomps, using the SAME resources, run on the SAME day, tested by the SAME third party, on the SAME server - you would have to be either insane or a complete moron to suggest that there is evidence for any other conclusion than "Experimentation makes no difference for the final product on subcomponents".

So here is the deal, pallida. YOU do the tests supporting your supposition. If you are not willing to and are not willing to construct the test series and record the results and post it here, I suggest you put a sock in it and not friggin post anymore. You're trolling and you are not in any way helpful at all in any conversation concerning this.

In short, put up or shut up, you mathematically illiterate punk..

Repub Arnaz
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Handsnake

Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:03 am

#41

Handsnake wrote:

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In short, put up or shut up,Pallida

I hate posting when I'm tired and I don't have an edit key.

Ignore the insult (I'm cranky without my coffee, and I thought I had deleted that line).

Repub Arnaz
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Pallida

Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:08 am

#42

Handsnake wrote:

In short, put up or shut up, you mathematically illiterate punk..

Gee.. you may wonder why I highlited this in green... placed it in boldface AND underlined it....

Only one reason, Handsnake... toensure that anymoderator surfing these boards see's it as an unwarrantedinsult and personal attack and, if action is deemed appropriate, that appropriate action is taken. For the record, I dont deem you as anything other than an "individual with opinions on the other side of a data line".. and will never stoopsolow asutter disparaging remarks about you, your family, your lifestyle oryour life experiences. I consider myself to be above all that.

You stated "ignore the insult"... not an apology. That is fine... I just want it clearly stated that you did intend to insult me with the remark and that you still intend it as an insult.

Yes or No will do.

Now.. since I wasn't going to get back into this argument.. but was drawn back in anyway....

I'll leave you with a hypothetical military example that I believe applies here.

Three men involved in a world crisis...

1) The leader of a nation with intercontinental nuclear ballistic missile capability (The SWG Design team?)

2) A weapons officer onboard a submarine responsible for accepting orders and executing a nuclear strike (SWG Programmers?)

3) The Launch Officer responsible for preparingand launching the birds.(SWG Players)

Scenario:

- The leader decides that some city is to be obliterated. The order is sent out to destroy a city

- The Weapons Officer receives the order and programs the strike coordinates into the system

- The Launch Officeris instructed to prep and launch the missiles.

we fuel the birds...

we validate that gyros are operational..

we open the launch bay...

we turn our keyswe send our birds off to the target.

Question: Where did the 10 nuclear ICBMsland? The answer is simple... "We, as the Launch Officers,don't know".... because we are NOT in control of the National nuclear strike program... we are reacting to stimuli present in the program and have been "kept in the dark" about the target. Oh yeah... we "may" be able to see which direction the birds went... and we "may" be able to postulate what cities along that general direction are at risk... but we are missing some very critical information... things like "in-flight time".... was it ahigh-suborbital trajectory or alow-suborbital trajectory? Were we even supposed to hit a populated target? Hypothetically, we have justannihilated tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of people.. and we have no clue who they were or why they had to die.

We, as players,are not in control... no matter how much you may wish to believe that weare in control, it simply is not true. While your mathematical testscan indicate a measure of control,they cannot be considered as the "gospel of SWG."

Every day of the week, I hope that a developer will stick his head in here and make a statement as to what the effects of resource quality and experimentation really are... I would not care if the statement were in my favor or yours (et al). I'd simply like to have the entire controversy cleared up, once and for all.

hmm... now.. Ihad intended tofire off a departing insult.. after all... "eye for an eye" and such. However, I have exercised proper restraint and forbearance.

I suggest that you have your cuppa-joe before you respond.

Have a good day, sir. I know I will

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secretbuyer

Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:32 pm

#43

Pallida wrote:

Handsnake wrote

That was me.

I one star all your trolling posts, especially those that seem to be for attention-getting purposes only. Have ever since your troll post in the pit droid thread where you burbled garbage about your personal, hideously wrong definition of "depreciation". (Keep your day job and stop pretending to be an accountant. It makes us real accountants cranky, and makes you even more irritating than usual).

Furthermore, as the above poster pointed out, it is impossible to prove a negative, as you well should have known from paying attention in even a 100 level logic class. The burden is on you to show a probable trend by using 99% experimented set of EMM's and EGP's in Arakyds and compare them to 10 or 18% unexperimented subcomps in other runs of arakyds.

You should do a minimum of 10 tests for each and note if there is a significant/any difference in the following:

1. Charges

2. Failure Rate (eaten by space slugs, meteorite hit, etc)

3. Speed

IF you notice and record actual changes in this series of test, then you have a possible reason to question experimentation. Until that point, you are simply posting trolls, and are contributing nothing but rants to the discussions. Remember - the burden is on you to show that experimentation DOES make a difference from non-experimented items.

Furthermore, the GUI code has nothing to do with experimentation. :rolleyes: Quit bandying random terms that you do not fully understand. It's irritating and it's not at all helpful, since you are pretending expertise. Also, work on your people skills buddy.

Repub

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Is ok Handsnake.. You couldnt possibly know that I am a professional applications developer... You couldnt possibly know that I am a professional Oracle RDBMS adminstrator and designer... You couldnt possible know that I have been such for a VERY long time.

And, you couldnt possible know that I won't lower myself into the primordial slime in order to return the one-star favors... since they carry no weight with me...

What you CAN know, since I'll tell you, is that I dont have to prove anything... other than that folks here dont speak "with facts"when speaking about the "tests" and what they "reveal". Rather, (in large part) they speak only supposition, and conjecture based ona flawed analytical procedure. I'll continue making folks aware that all these "facts in evidence" are simply the results of improper research.

Call me a troll... call me any name you like... I have a thick skin.. It wont change the fact that there ARE no facts regarding experimentation and resource quality... for ALL components in a droid. Folks have claimed test results... I'll grant that test results are fine.. where test results can be properly quantified. Unfortunately, unless there is a "hidden" developer speaking about "the test results", all "unquantifiable test results" must be considered invalid and/or subjective. Plain and simple.

None of us, myself included, has any right to state that using superior materials and experimenting on any component and any effect, positive or negative, on a component where we cannot see the results quantified.

Enjoy your long list of accreditations... I am sure you earned every one of them. But, as you have so succinctly put it... "Don't give up your day job... leave scientific analysis to those of us that are well-versed in it."

sssssssssssssssSSS(:-<

hahaha you remind me of my 20 year old friend who goes to Vanderbilt University....he took some classes on tuning Oracle8 instances and now he tells everyone hes an oracle SQL administrative technitian....

This issue doesnt require scientific analysis or lengthy vocabulary. Mechanism quality refers to a null object functionality modifier in which the finished product can be compared to on a scale based only on the complexity of its design. Specific modules (EMM/EGP) may reflect a negative value prior to experimentation, which, logically, wouldsuggest a scale not based on mechanism functionality;as a negative value would negate its functionality altogether. This is also apparent when using these modules in a higher crafting stage. Higher level items crafted from these sub-components do not abide by this same system. If the mechanism quality was reflected in the functionality of a finished product crafted from said modules, then each different item that called for the module would have a rating based on the system of quality used when crafting the lower level modules. This simply is not true.

If you wanna talk simantics and say it's impossible to prove it, then you're basically saying its impossible to prove anything. You cant prove that you exist, you just know.

Qert - Former Rifleman/MCM

secretbuyer

Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:33 pm

#44

Pallida wrote:

Handsnake wrote

That was me.

I one star all your trolling posts, especially those that seem to be for attention-getting purposes only. Have ever since your troll post in the pit droid thread where you burbled garbage about your personal, hideously wrong definition of "depreciation". (Keep your day job and stop pretending to be an accountant. It makes us real accountants cranky, and makes you even more irritating than usual).

Furthermore, as the above poster pointed out, it is impossible to prove a negative, as you well should have known from paying attention in even a 100 level logic class. The burden is on you to show a probable trend by using 99% experimented set of EMM's and EGP's in Arakyds and compare them to 10 or 18% unexperimented subcomps in other runs of arakyds.

You should do a minimum of 10 tests for each and note if there is a significant/any difference in the following:

1. Charges

2. Failure Rate (eaten by space slugs, meteorite hit, etc)

3. Speed

IF you notice and record actual changes in this series of test, then you have a possible reason to question experimentation. Until that point, you are simply posting trolls, and are contributing nothing but rants to the discussions. Remember - the burden is on you to show that experimentation DOES make a difference from non-experimented items.

Furthermore, the GUI code has nothing to do with experimentation. :rolleyes: Quit bandying random terms that you do not fully understand. It's irritating and it's not at all helpful, since you are pretending expertise. Also, work on your people skills buddy.

Repub

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Is ok Handsnake.. You couldnt possibly know that I am a professional applications developer... You couldnt possibly know that I am a professional Oracle RDBMS adminstrator and designer... You couldnt possible know that I have been such for a VERY long time.

And, you couldnt possible know that I won't lower myself into the primordial slime in order to return the one-star favors... since they carry no weight with me...

What you CAN know, since I'll tell you, is that I dont have to prove anything... other than that folks here dont speak "with facts"when speaking about the "tests" and what they "reveal". Rather, (in large part) they speak only supposition, and conjecture based ona flawed analytical procedure. I'll continue making folks aware that all these "facts in evidence" are simply the results of improper research.

Call me a troll... call me any name you like... I have a thick skin.. It wont change the fact that there ARE no facts regarding experimentation and resource quality... for ALL components in a droid. Folks have claimed test results... I'll grant that test results are fine.. where test results can be properly quantified. Unfortunately, unless there is a "hidden" developer speaking about "the test results", all "unquantifiable test results" must be considered invalid and/or subjective. Plain and simple.

None of us, myself included, has any right to state that using superior materials and experimenting on any component and any effect, positive or negative, on a component where we cannot see the results quantified.

Enjoy your long list of accreditations... I am sure you earned every one of them. But, as you have so succinctly put it... "Don't give up your day job... leave scientific analysis to those of us that are well-versed in it."

sssssssssssssssSSS(:-<

hahaha you remind me of my 20 year old friend who goes to Vanderbilt University....he took some classes on tuning Oracle8 instances and now he tells everyone hes an oracle SQL administrative technitian....

This issue doesnt require scientific analysis or lengthy vocabulary. Mechanism quality refers to a null object functionality modifier in which the finished product can be compared to on a scale based only on the complexity of its design. Specific modules (EMM/EGP) may reflect a negative value prior to experimentation, which, logically, wouldsuggest a scale not based on mechanism functionality;as a negative value would negate its functionality altogether. This is also apparent when using these modules in a higher crafting stage. Higher level items crafted from these sub-components do not abide by this same system. If the mechanism quality was reflected in the functionality of a finished product crafted from said modules, then each different item that called for the module would have a rating based on the system of quality used when crafting the lower level modules. This simply is not true.

If you wanna talk simantics and say it's impossible to prove it, then you're basically saying its impossible to prove anything. You cant prove that you exist, you just know.

Qert - Former Rifleman/MCM

Handsnake

Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:47 pm

#45

Shian_Tavkin wrote:

Experimentation of subcomponents (apart from combat modules) maketh no difference whatsoever..and I have tested the issue to death.

I wish it did matter..but it doesnt..and it cost me a fortune proving it to myself.

Now, the real question is .......does it matter in the new modules?..and for that we shall have to wait and see.

Were it not for the combat modules, I would suggest no..but who knows yet?

Hmm

Indeed.

I have found this to be true and the following is my set of tests conducted today;

1) Deliberately experimented until I had CRITICAL FAILURES and had 0 percent EMM's and 0 percent EGP's.

2) Used the same (quite good) materials in another factory run of 93% Emm's and 92 % EGP's.

3) Made a schematic with a crit fail (I went and had a Rabid Shaupaut and a diseased nuna gnaw on me for 10 minutes each and had 100 BF and 2 diseases - crit fails are easier to do)

4) Healed up and made a schem with a 90% eff (same materials)

5) Made 13 bad and 15 good Arakyds in 2 separate factories. Shut them off.

Result:

1) Same number of charges

2) Failure rate on9 and 8 marks (my bh friend had to leave, but I judgedthe sample to be sufficient) was 1(90%) and 0 (0 percent) Well within the margin of error for a sample size of 8.5.

3) Speed - no variation on similar resulting mark locations.

Conclusion: No evidence for any difference of any discernable qualities for Arakyd droids, a consumable, charged product with multiple measure points.

Therefore: Since the measurable qualities do not change, there is no difference.

Game, set, and match.

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MachineZed

Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:57 pm

#46

In an Attempt to break Handsnake and Pallida up. Pallida you said that the programming code is the aboslute truth. I find that hard to believe. You seem experienced enough to have some of your programs not work. Not just the ones where you haven't debugged. The ones that you have that still don't work, no matter how many times that you rework the logic. The ones that you have three or four of your coworkers look at the same code just to be sure. But they cannot seem to find what is not working correctly.

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Handsnake

Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:25 am

#47

Pallida:

Bridge. Return under.

It (the insult) was not intended to be seen. Your demanding an apology is ridiculous and more in tune with a child's response rather than one froman over 40 man.

But yeah, I 've seen no sensible reasoning in any of your posts. Your 'hypotheticals' are straw men, and now I sincerely doubt that you are in fact over the age of franchise. I've never seen such ludicrous self-serving troll posts with such non-useful content and assertions - except, perhaps, on GameFaqs and Battle.net forums where such sophomoric rants/'reasoning" are common from the denizens - who also often assert that they not only are naval pilots, but are in fact CIA agents on the side. (You failed the naval "aviator, not pilot" standard response too which leads me to believe you're a confabulator)

You do not offer any info, nor any suggested tests. You do not offer any reasonable discussion. You do not analyze my data. You only offer self congratulatory puffery bordering on narcissim.

You contribute nothing. None of your demands in the main nor any of your reasoning is at all rational for anyone who has at all had any education outside of high school - which makes me sure that you're a compulsive confabulator.

I don't waste my time with people unable to reason. Get your GED. It'll be worth it. And stop posting.

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Pallida

Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:47 am

#48

Handsnake wrote:

Pallida:

Bridge. Return under.

It (the insult) was not intended to be seen. Your demanding an apology is ridiculous and more in tune with a child's response rather than one froman over 40 man.

But yeah, I 've seen no sensible reasoning in any of your posts. Your 'hypotheticals' are straw men, and now I sincerely doubt that you are in fact over the age of franchise. I've never seen such ludicrous self-serving troll posts with such non-useful content and assertions - except, perhaps, on GameFaqs and Battle.net forums where such sophomoric rants/'reasoning" are common from the denizens - who also often assert that they not only are naval pilots, but are in fact CIA agents on the side. (You failed the naval "aviator, not pilot" standard response too which leads me to believe you're a confabulator)

You do not offer any info, nor any suggested tests. You do not offer any reasonable discussion. You do not analyze my data. You only offer self congratulatory puffery bordering on narcissim.

You contribute nothing. None of your demands in the main nor any of your reasoning is at all rational for anyone who has at all had any education outside of high school - which makes me sure that you're a compulsive confabulator.

I don't waste my time with people unable to reason. Get your GED. It'll be worth it. And stop posting.

Your reply is noted... Your continued use of disparaging remarks, personal attacks and insultsis noted as well.

You seem to be of the opinion that I demanded an apology... when no such demand ocurred. Perhaps you need to read more closely and drink more(?) coffee. All I asked for was absolute clarification on the status of the remarks that were supposed to have been deleted, but which "accidentally" remained in post.

However, even in the face of continuous abuse, I refuse to respond in kind. I suppose that makes me, in some folks' eyes, a "lesser man".... Ah well.. this business of "turning the other cheek", while quite new to me after 57 years of a lifetougher than you can possibly imagine, is not altogether unrewarding. After all.. I dont even have to insult you to get more direct insults from you. I actually kind of like it.

At any rate, Please... have a good day... mine is rapidly becoming a stellar one.. and I see no reason why your's should not become one as well.

sssssssssssssSSS(:-<

[edit] Geez... that STILL tickles

[edit] oh... I forgot... youdo understand the term "libel" and the concept of "defamation of character" do you not? Yes.. I kind of thought that you would.... Not that you are in any danger of finding out first-hand...

Message Edited by Pallida on 04-21-2004 03:48 PM

Message Edited by Pallida on 04-21-2004 03:55 PM

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Pallida

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:34 am

#49

MachineZed wrote:

In an Attempt to break Handsnake and Pallida up. Pallida you said that the programming code is the aboslute truth. I find that hard to believe. You seem experienced enough to have some of your programs not work. Not just the ones where you haven't debugged. The ones that you have that still don't work, no matter how many times that you rework the logic. The ones that you have three or four of your coworkers look at the same code just to be sure. But they cannot seem to find what is not working correctly.

Hmm.. you make an interesting argument, Zed. And, being who I am.. I'll put it to use...

I will grant that tests that return a consistent result can be used to support a "conclusion". However, can any of the testers state, with finality, that none of the program code used to facilitate the tests is, in fact, returning consistent flawed data as the result of an unresolved bug or logic error?

We are all informed of "bug fixes"... and we are even told that only "critical bugs" are to be urgently repaired. I, for one, am not prepared to argue that the subroutines are... or are not...operating as designed... Why? Well.. we all know my reasons why.

Case in point... A consistent visual representation of a internally calculated result tells us that 2 +2 = 4.....

Does that mean that 2 + 2 = 4? Or does that mean that 2.000951 (rounded)+ 2.100938 (rounded)= 4.11889 (rounded)? The program told us that 2 + 2 = 4... but did it tell us everything we needed/wanted to know? It was coded to present a "specific" result which may or may not be to our liking.

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Kollos

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:51 am

#50

Pallida wrote:

Case in point... A consistent visual representation of a internally calculated result tells us that 2 +2 = 4.....

Does that mean that 2 + 2 = 4? Or does that mean that 2.000951 (rounded)+ 2.100938 (rounded)= 4.11889 (rounded)? The program told us that 2 + 2 = 4... but did it tell us everything we needed/wanted to know? It was coded to present a "specific" result which may or may not be to our liking.

If we are only capable of observing a single digit, and we never need to add more than 2 numbers together at a time, then yes that means that 2 + 2 = 4.

In other words, it doesn't matter HOW the system got to the conclusion that 2 + 2 = 4 if it always reaches that same conclusion and it is the only conclusion that we are able to observe.

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Kollos

Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:40 pm

#51

I think you misunderstand me...

I also always experiment every component and every droid as fully as I possibly can. The additional factory time that it causes me to use up is irrelevant since my factory runs, almost without exception, finish when I'm not logged on anyway.

However, I do not use the best possible resources in my electronics parts all of the time simply because, at this point in time, it doesn't matter.

I acknowledge your hypothetical, but offer this counter. There are currently people who experiment everything and use the best resources. There are also currently people who experiment nothing and use the crappiest resources they can find.

If this hypothetical bug fix went in (and I agree with you that it would likely not be listed in the patch notes for the reasons you give), then don't you think we would notice within a week or two of the patch, if not within days? And if we didn't notice, once again would it really matter? (If the change is so insignificant that no one notices, it's hardly relevant.)

People compare and test things all the time regardless of the "facts" that are reported here on the forums. I would be astounded if a significant change were made that we did not notice within a couple of weeks.

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Pallida

Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:00 pm

#52

Kollos wrote:

I think you misunderstand me...

I also always experiment every component and every droid as fully as I possibly can. The additional factory time that it causes me to use up is irrelevant since my factory runs, almost without exception, finish when I'm not logged on anyway.

However, I do not use the best possible resources in my electronics parts all of the time simply because, at this point in time, it doesn't matter.

I acknowledge your hypothetical, but offer this counter. There are currently people who experiment everything and use the best resources. There are also currently people who experiment nothing and use the crappiest resources they can find.

If this hypothetical bug fix went in (and I agree with you that it would likely not be listed in the patch notes for the reasons you give), then don't you think we would notice within a week or two of the patch, if not within days? And if we didn't notice, once again would it really matter? (If the change is so insignificant that no one notices, it's hardly relevant.)

People compare and test things all the time regardless of the "facts" that are reported here on the forums. I would be astounded if a significant change were made that we did not notice within a couple of weeks.

I apologize... I did misunderstand you. As for folks noticing a large difference or not.. I cannot answer.

I suspect that the number of folks believing that there are no benefits far exceeds the number of folks experimenting anyway... simply because they believe that there are.. and will continue to be... no benefits. These folks will further compound the problem by further spreading the "facts" to new players, and the cycle will begin anew.

I have come to expect little or no feedback from my customers. I would presume that folks using a droidexhibiting a significant change would make those observations available to their companions. I would "hope" that the same folks would let me know about a change of that magnitude.

If folks were to state, "it is our opinion that resource quality and experimentation have no effect.....", then Iwouldn't have the heartburn thatI get when folks promulgate those same opinions as "facts".. whenthey areactually "conclusions drawn from the results of a series of tests."

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