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Gribnitz

Fri Mar 05, 2004 10:07 pm

duncje wrote:

What the hell are you talking about?Medical droids require medical skills to use. It's not like a medical droid replaces a Doctor, it ENHANCES a Doctor's skills. Now it may make a building obsolete, but not a PC profession. All the points you're bringing up only truly effect one profession, the scout/ranger. And for that I say, just up the med capabilities of camps/med centers.

A droid would be able to be more precise than a human could ever be, and would have stored data and knowledge far superior to what any human could comprehend. Why shouldn't a droid enhance a doctor's capability?

This guy was abused as a child by a droid. Be gentle.

How can you say a med droid is taking a professions spot in the game? It can't heal another player on it's own. It can't even be used by someone without medic skills. The only purpose is to allow you to heal someone without having to be in a hospital or camp and our HIGHEST possible module gives a small bonus to this healing skill.

I sure don't see a bunch of your fellow doctors clamoring to back up your position on this. Your gripes are plain silly.

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Shian_Tavkin

Fri Mar 05, 2004 10:09 pm

#28

Flynn_Nomad wrote:

Barfalomue wrote:

What if I said:

"Med Centers and Camps defeat the purpose of Medical Droids." ????

It used to be people had to use camps and/or droids to heal wounds. Now they can go to any local and (tons of) player cities, duck in a player building or med center and take care of it there, removing the use of our Med Droids other than to Buff....

LOL...think of it from the other side of the door before you walk in.

Message Edited by Barfalomue on 03-05-2004 01:51 PM

Are you on crack? I see your twisted logic and I'll raise you the initial intentions of George Lucas and the DEV's

Read the instruction manual.

Droids in the Star Wars universe each have their own complpimenting roles to the humanoids they interact with.

If you're silly bhuddist statement were to pass let's say, then YES I would say eliminate the redundancy.

There is no reason to have 2 or 3 different ways to do the same thing, so yes you could eliminate camps and medical centers and be perfecly Ok with the magical medical droids.

But then you are saying screw doctors and rangers.

You don't need to muscle in on others to be functional. The DEV's are creative retards.

Get mad at them not me.

List EVERY THING you can do in this game and I can find a role that a droid could compliment it with. (not take it over)

You could effectively be involved with EVERY other aspect of the game but you're protecting ONE? The last one you have left?

You'd rather fight tooth and nail for that LAST working droid than have 50 other effective ones?

Where's the vehicle repair droid! They have the GAWD DAMN chassis!

Turn your anger from me being right on the money andgrab your correspondant by the ears and do something constructive.

Ok Barf..I was kind to you and gave you the benefit of the doubt.....

Now I know you are a Troll..we are trying here to get a consensus and you are not helping

If you dont want to play along..just keep doing what you are doing..but I know one thing for certain, you are NOT helping the DE cause.

Or to put it another way..stop acting childish and petulant..you might be listened to if you do that. I don't xpect you to like me saying this, but if you go any further in your ranting behaviour, everyone will be reporting your posts, and you will be deleted, even if you have something valid to say. Listen to me please.

Shian -- Master Droid Engineer/ Master Artisan

Envoy3113

Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:06 am

#29

Ok, to add some 'realizm' (not the word I'm looking for, but it'll do). What is a medical center? A clean place with beds and a few npcs, with a crafting station out front. Advanced camp? A clean camp, not as clean as a med center, with a crafting station. What is a medical droid amoungst all of this? A second set of hands, an implied database of medical knowledge, essentially this droid should be able to heal all by it's lonesome. The imp npc's have droids that sit around and heal all by their lonesome. Now while it is simple to determine that we cannot have droid that performs the healing for us, it still would seem to imply that these droids are fully capable and functional, self contained units. In otherwords, a droid that is chock full of all the medical information in the galaxy should not have a modifier which is greater than a camp? Or the implied extra set of hands should not affect treatment better than the NPC's that stand around in the medical center doing nothing? Your logic is flawed. A med center in town is not a trauma unit, if it were I should be able to walk in without another PC in there, and get my wounds tended. The fact that every doctor who has taken the profession seriously has a droid does not mean you won't find my behind in a med center hoping to find someone to heal me. Due to the fact I belive you are not going to fully digest and attempt to understand what I'm saying here I'll break it up.

A Medical droid, or Surgical droid is a robot which is specifically designed to assist a doctor or medic in their practices. This implys an interaction with the doctor or medic, and the droid, and the patient.

A camp does not provide that interaction, that second set of hands, probes or whatever. Nor would a camp imply a working knowledge of practice and procedure unto the doctor or medic.

A medical center might imply that idea, however nowhere in the game is there a med center where the NPC's do other than stand there. Nor could it be assumed that 5 patients would be able to get any implyed benifit off of NPC's that do nothing other than stand there. A working knowledge of practice and procedure might be present, but then we need take the following into account.

Robot's, while controlled by humans, are able to provide intrusive and non-intrusive procedures with a sucess rate far beyond what can be achived by the human hand, and eye alone. To the degree of entering capillarys, to microscopic cutting, and manipulation of tissues. Tumors can be removed remotely through a hole no bigger than the eraser on a pencil. Does that justify a high medical rating esp. when we imply gigantic leaps in technology?

Fighting for the maintained usefullness of camps is one thing, if you are concerned about the effectiveness of med packs, the update should fix that problem as it will be much more difficult to max out any pack not made with the absolute best materials. This whole Fookin update is seen by many of the DE comunity as a nerf as it is, narrow focus does not help anything. There is a big picture, which you are missing.

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MurienAquarius

Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:35 am

#30

I think your points are pointless, basically. The camps ARE useless, and they won't become useful, especially when the next publish is removing the need to be in camp to pull out droids, vehicles, etc. I don't agree with your statement that people who want to heal wounds, etc. better find a master ranger to set up a camp. What game are you playing? People aren't always around on demand to just set camps up out in the wilderness. There are ideas for entertainer mods that maybe might let them boogie down out in the field, so if that happens, you won't have that other argument to stand on. Cantina on wheels....woohoo. that would be awesome. Heal my BF out in the field, heck, I don't care...put a droidholoprojectorbackground lightshow on, and get ondown!Heal me brothers and sisters!!!Basically it sounds like you are all for nerfing med module capability so that you can craft and sell more advanced medpacks, or glory in the fact that you are a master doctor? I really don't get it. Medics have much more going for them than this broken profession, I really don't see why you would feel the need to come into this forum and agitate. Also, I think you should realize that your spelling should be a bit better before telling people that they need brains to debate your points of view.

Murien Aquarius

Ellewen

Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:05 pm

#31

Sodan-droiddreamer wrote:
Ignore the troll, everyone. 95% of doctors love their med droids.

Thats funny, 15k is about the max any Dr. will bother paying for one of any type. Des get screwed again.

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Envoy3113

Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:07 am

#32

Again, crafting is redundant as all that is about to change. And yea, this guy is a troll. He says with one sentence, 'your POS droids', then says 'don't get me wrong I wanna see you guys fixed'

Run on man, your whole argument is faceless. You should start resource gathering so your ready for the crafting patch and bounce outta here. Your points are redundant, and if you feel this way about how your profession is geared to interact with others, then find a new profession, or quit.

You keep saying the med centers are not being used. I see someone in em all the time, often it can get quite crowded. This was about camps and med centers vs. droids. Yet how ever you seem to now wish to involve 'AFK Cantina whores'???? If you are this frustrated at the game then take a break. If you are just a jackass, then get a life. If you are just trying to get a rise, move on. You begin your posts in a normal manner to make it look right on the surface and then gradually deteriorate into random flaming.

Be easy man, the darkside is strong in this one.

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Barfalomue

Mon Mar 08, 2004 2:54 pm

#33

Shian_Tavkin wrote:

Ok Barf..I was kind to you and gave you the benefit of the doubt.....

Now I know you are a Troll..we are trying here to get a consensus and you are not helping

If you dont want to play along..just keep doing what you are doing..but I know one thing for certain, you are NOT helping the DE cause.

Or to put it another way..stop acting childish and petulant..you might be listened to if you do that. I don't xpect you to like me saying this, but if you go any further in your ranting behaviour, everyone will be reporting your posts, and you will be deleted, even if you have something valid to say. Listen to me please.

GEEZE...Can't any of you read between the lines?

I was being fasicious. My point was that droids are not the end-all in this game. My point was that I was asking for the original poster to please leave us DE with some dignity. It is our only selling point in our profession. Why must there be people who want to decrease our worth beyond the level it is currently? There are numerous other items in this game that are more off-balancing than our medical droids with more malicious effects. I feel it was just a stupid post and an ignorant, selfish comment the original poster brought to this forum.

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biggie2

Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:30 pm

#34

This thread gives me a headache. As far as im concerned, droid engineerprofession peaked with the power droid. GONK! GONK! YAYA!

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Thrush

Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:56 pm

#35

F-N says we should get droids that compliment the exisiting professions!

F-N says we should get more functionality out of our droids!

F-N says we should force the Devs to give us what we want through our correspondant.

Wow! F-N is sooooooo smart! Why didn't we think of that?

F-N for President of SWG!!!

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Pallida

Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:56 am

#36

I wasn't gonna jump in here.. but.. well.. Hell.. since I need only a few more posts to get to the "EDIT" button (I hope)... I'll add my two credits worth...

We all know that there is an Economy built into SWG. One of the features of any healthy economy has to do with innovation and COMPETITION.

So what if there are three different ways to perform a function.. they all make money.. they can ALL be driven by competition. Economics wont CARE if aplayer performs a medical function for x-amountof credits... just as Economics won't CARE if the same function is performed by a player using a droid to agument his/her profession.

I don't REALLY think that the issue is "droids replacing players"... but "Droids AUGMENTING the ABILITIES" of players. Most of us "pure crafters" (sorry guys/gals) dont CARE to use our own creations... Most of us simply wish to be able to craft utilitarian droids that can be used byOTHER players.

If the Devs EVER give us the utility modules that we need, then why not let the Economics ofSWG decide the issue? Let the modules come. Let the PC's getdroid-augmented enhancements (assuming that the Devs EVER come thru on the issue).

Finally, why not let OUR customers decide which method is best? (They will anyway)

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