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Thread: About DE only combat droids. My 2 credits.
to add to my post, if let's say they add 4 new combat droids for DEs:
A probot as it is now is comparable to any non CH droids, so that remains that way.
They'll probably mirror the power of droids with the power of CH pets at the same level, so, it would be just a matter of choice for people to either dabble in CH or dabble in DE to get a creature of a particular level (do they prefer having a droid or a cat? same HAM same damage, just a cosmetic decision).
These people will either go up enough to get a Combat droid I, a Combat droid II, a III or master to get a IV. The problem is, they didn't join DE to craft droids for a living, they joined to get combat effectiveness. In the road there, they learn to build useful droids. Money is not an issue for them, they do combat missions for money. So, they just give away these useful droids to whoever wants them. Hell, it'll help give them more exp so they can use the combat droid they want. This *will* hurt all the DEs that are in it for the love of crafting. I can give away mouse droids with medical rating 110 to everyone, but I know it'll hurt me and all DEs... but they won't have that same 'common sense'.
It is a bad thing I'm telling you
/agree
No, I am no a DE. Tho at times I dream of being one. I also have Commando dreams, and Rifleman dreams. The architect dream, well......all my other dreams were broke, so I found another for the time being.
I think this post prety much says it all.
Fix the bugs. Make the small changes. Implement our wishlist.
Then later, add the DE-only combat droid.
We can debate that last point for a very long time before anybody is actually ready to do anything about it, or we can focus on the stuff that can be done now.
And finally, I just wanted to say........ErictheUber 
Consider the case of the current CH. Many people, including myself, have levelled up considerably into the CH trees to use decent pets. As a brawler, I HAVE to do this in order to take on higher CL mobs. Does that mean I want to run all over Endor, Lok or Dathomir looking for powerful pets to tame/train? No. Granted, I did go get my current pets myself (a grand wrix, a kliknik defender and a kliknik warrior) but if I decide to go 3/3/1/1 or higher, I am NOT going to go gallavanting about the planets looking for grauls. I am going to buy them from CHs since nearly every city I ever go to always has 2-4 CHs selling grauls, rancors or whatever.
I predict that, if there is a massive influx of Droid Engineers who can use these "supposedly" uber combat droids. Many of the powergamers WILL NOT want to make their own. That's too time consuming, as any crafter knows. They'll simply buy from one of you who are already Master Droid Engineers to save time.
So my recommendation is for everyone to calm down and see how things play out before getting all riled up about something that may not even be an issue in the first place.
On a side note, I would much rather the Devs fix all the current game issues before adding new content like this. What's the point of adding new combat droids when the ones you currently have to work with are either broken or underpowered.
What about certs Sintrosi?
I've always opposed certs but now its the best option. I'm not gonna type it out again, there have been threads with wonderfull idea's about certs but I think certs are the sollution...
Sintrosi - YAY
*Once again you hear the sound of the hammer striking the nail on the head with total accuracy*
I agree with your post 100%
Respectfully
I agree with Sintrosi's opinion and assessment
As for those who are concerned with a large influx of people into the profession: don't. The devs have essentially come out and said that CH dabblers have caused a problem and they are taking steps to correct it. It is highly unlikely they will permit changes to DE that will duplicate the problem. If DE-only combat droids are implemented I am confident that there will be very few people entering the profession and leveling to MDE to have an "uber" droid pet. All of you know how much of a grind the DE profession is and the majority of players don't have the patience or dedication to level-up a crafter. If the DE-only droids are less effective that MCH pets then the powergamers will forego DE for CH.
Sintrosi wrote:
I propose we do these things in steps. First we get a handful of combat droids that we can sell to the public. These are around CL15. Then we get our Combat only droid to give us a little spice. THEN, when they fix our bugs down the road .. I, or my replacement, looks into coming up with professional combat certifications so we can sell higher level droids to other players.
Would these droids sell? No. Why? They'll be weaker than the probot. If I recall correctly, the probot is a level 16 droid.
I disagree with you Sin.
Droids need to be usable by everyone. Here's 3 options on certs.
1. Master of a starting profession
2. Master of an elite / elite hybrid profession
3. Total number of skill points used > x
This ensures no "newbie" can use a great droid, but all veterans can. You can even use combinations of these certs for the highest end droids.
So simple. I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.
Yeah, thats what I meant. There is a wonderfull post somewhere which deals with which proffesions get what certifications, etc.
Medics get medic droids cert and module level certs at different heights in the skill trees, artisians get BLLs that pick up harvestor hopper, maintenance droids, combat classes get combat droids, all with the appropriate certs.
What no one seems to be considering is the affect of both the precedent this would set and the increase of new DE's. First off, I will state that no, I don't think that any of the power gamers will pick up DE for the combat edge. What you will have, however, are people that were always interested in droids, but didn't want to primarily craft. These people will see DE as more of a combat support class, since this is why they took it up. Combine this with the precedent that you will have set and the fact that implementing a few combat droids here and there will be easier than fixing, developing, and implementing new modules, functions, and utilities for droids. This is where to danger for those of us who want to build and sell droids comes in.
Jenden Morn - Master Droid Engineer - Mos Espa, Tarquinas
Owner, Operator, and Founder of DarkStar Inc.
Ackis wrote:
Would these droids sell? No. Why? They'll be weaker than the probot. If I recall correctly, the probot is a level 16 droid.
They were CL 16 before they got nerfed. Now they're probably around CL 10. The CL in the description just never got changed.
I guess my question is this Sin...
What is wrong with havingthe top combat droid beCL15?
I have a gurreck (CL15) and it can almost kill a stormtrooper. Why do we need any more power than this? I would rather have more droid functionality than class power ANY day. Why ask devs to waste time giving us more power, when they could otherwise be fixing our class?
Devs don't want to add a bunch of new droid chassis to the game, so we will probably get one or two at most, right?
A chassis that is DE-only can't be sold to others, right?
So if CL15 is all we really need, and if to make a DE-only droid will significaltly cut down on the diversity of combat droids we sell to others, why not just have all droids be CL15 and sellable to all?
No one is asking for combat droids to be CL50 except the wanna-be CHs who I think are WELL in the minority. Even some of the DEs asking for DE-only droid admit that what we get will probably not be uber.
Sin, why doesn't this fix the problem...
We get 2 new combat droids to make: Battle Droid (CL12) and Droideka (CL15). Both reasonable power for DEs and non-DEs. Non-DEs can call only one at a time...DEs can call 2. CL15+CL15 = CL30. Doesn;t that solve all problems and make everyone happy? We get new droids to sell...we get a perk that no other class gets.