Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: New TC patch notes up! (3-14-05)
AudioOrgana wrote:
JavelinCatcher wrote:Prices are available, they can be sorted under the "Bid Column" (just like normal bazzar listings).I never say this (you can search my posts, LOL) but if this goes live like that I quit.
Anyone with 1/2 a brain knows that it would kill the economy. People spout half-truths like, "It's like real life, where you can get on the internet and know the prices of everything!"
That's not true, there are nearly infinite levels of knowledge - yet none of them is this "perfect" knowledge this system would give.
This would ruin the entire economic mini-game of SWG only to cater to the "I want everything I want now with zero effort" combat crowd who resents every red credit they give us.
Seriously. If they do it like this it will be one sad, sad day - the most immersive, amazing, organic system ever devised for an MMO will go out the window.
AO
I agree, but I always though credits were blue...
/crossesfingers
Straker_Atrella wrote:
I have faith in our corrs as well, but not that they will be listened too. They fought hard against this when it was first put out. Now here it is back in almost the same form. If they were going to listen, they would have done so the first time around.
Little known fact...
The DEVs and the Correspondents did have a long discussion on the matter, the first time around, and hashed out what appeared to be a good compromise. Its what happened to the compromise that has me concerned.
I may be incorrect on this one, but it has the smack of SOE being overruled on some of its decision making processes. Lately, I get the feeling that SOE is no longer the main force behind what directions this game will take. Its really starting to feel like LucasArts is pulling the strings, in the same way that it has with many of the other games that it has developed in the past. If this is correct, then it doesn't surprise me that Tyrant is now MIA. 
Message Edited by Drashk on 03-21-2005 11:52 AM
Drashk wrote:
If this is correct, then it doesn't surprise me that Tyrant is now MIA.
Tyrant isn't just MIA, he's no longer associated with Galaxies, at least according to this interview at IGN.
IGN Interview:
Most recently, he was VP and Austin studio manager for Sony Online Entertainment, responsible for Star Wars Galaxies along with other unannounced projects.
"Once and Future Tyrant" is the appellation Gordon currently applies to himself, a playful take-off on his nickname, "Tyrant", and his current status, which is between projects.
I found this interview from a link somebody posted on the Dancer forums.
EnigmaBSc
diepa wrote:
They have to list the price if they make this change, talk about the potential to grief people if they didnt. For example I put 10 bags on my vendor named set of 5 buffpacks with stats..no prices. The consumer runs over pays my 10credit entrance fee and finds that the bags are 99999999 credits..you would just have to keep moving your vendor. Even if they remove the prices, you can add your price to the description to get around it. So if they add this feature they have to add prices.
RasalTheWise wrote:
LucasArts has been calling the shots in SWG from Day One, so no difference there. All LucasArts cares about is making sure the Star Warsy-feel is not compromised. Why would they care about how vendors are dealt with?
George Lucas has made it quite clear *for decades* that he's calling the shots on all Star Wars projects. There is no argument about that. What he says, goes. And of course RotW wasn't SOE's initial idea. It is an expansion specifically designed for EpIII.
Reaperss wrote:
Nope, can't agree. LA has been takeing a much larger role since JTL as I imagine they have with all other SW projects. You really think SOE thought up Rage of the Wookies? LOL. EP III is makeing all SW properties very high profile. Once that dies down I think you'll see LA slip back into the backround.
But that's neither here nor there. Point is, why the heck would LucasArts care about how vendors are implemented? This "smells" like SOE...
Talmor1 wrote:
All I have to say is this:
Not having prices listed means absolutely nothing to me. I can just add it to the name of the item I am making if I have half of a mind.
Thats the way I was looking at it as well.
You could take it one step further and list the price in the beginning of the name or use a special character as the first character, so that when someone ranges the list in Alphabetical order, which is one of the first things that I know a lot of people do, it will be on the top of the list.
There is just too many ways around working around any system that they would put into place. What it all comes down to is that a no matter how a global search feature is added to the Bazaar, there isn't any way of getting around not listing the stats and the price of the item.
In many ways, the global search system will help out all merchants in the long run, by making their goods a lot more accessable and by creating a lot more foot traffic to their shop then ever before. The major draw back in this system is that it will allow some merchants the ability to undercut pricing in the overall market.
Funny thing is, I don't see much change happening to the market as a whole. The only difference between what we have seen for the last 2 years and what we will see after this goes Live is that the great deals that have been mostly word of mouth will now be getting a little more free advertising.
In the week that I have had my vendors listed on the Galaxy wide market, I have seen a sharp increase in sales of my products, not a decline. And this is with my prices being higher then many of the other prices on the server. Of course, Test Center also has a lot lower population and has a 'healthier' economy then many of the Live Servers, which is reflected in my pricing and what I have to offer.
RasalTheWise wrote:
But that's neither here nor there. Point is, why the heck would LucasArts care about how vendors are implemented? This "smells" like SOE...
Now THAT's interesting. That's the first feedback I've heard about the new vendor system.
Drashk wrote:
In the week that I have had my vendors listed on the Galaxy wide market, I have seen a sharp increase in sales of my products, not a decline. And this is with my prices being higher then many of the other prices on the server.
I truly hope I'm overreacting about all this. It just seems so dismal from the descriptions...
Talmor1 wrote:
All I have to say is this:
Not having prices listed means absolutely nothing to me. I can just add it to the name of the item I am making if I have half of a mind.
"Seeker Droid by La'varian"
becomes:
"Seeker Droid by La'varian for 10k per crate"
BAM! I just listed my price. It is not an exploit. I am not cheating the system. This is an "IQ less than 50"approach to get around the fact that prices are not being listed.
Okay, to be honest I would rather them just put the stupid prices as a "sorting" option. Even IF 99 out of 100 people have not thought of above, I know for a fact someone on every server will have thought of this. Then those other 99 people will be like... ooo I am going to do that too!
Then we are left with three camps:
1) People who list prices in their names,
2) People who REFUSE to list prices in their names because of some belief they have in the integrity of the game or whatever, or
3) People who do not know how to do the above or do not care to do the above.
So what I am saying is that eventually 99 out of 100 people are going to be doing option 1. I for one will be doing that from now on with my BH droid Batches because that will be the best way for people to come to my shop to buy my droids.
The only difference is that the great deflation will just be a bit slower. Like a slow death. I would just rather the ramifications of this system to hit us like a ton of bricks. Then we can adapt and thrive under the new economy (if that is possible). I hate exploiters and cheats in these MMO games cuz their enjoyment is just in the griefing. If there is an exploit/cheat, make it so that everyoneknows what it is andcanuse it and steal those people's thunder (or *gasp* take away the exploit/cheat).
Therefore, I vote that we just list the prices out in the open right next to the product. Get it over with and let us see what apocalypse comes out of this plan of attack.