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Jenden

Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:06 pm

I've got to agree shian (yes, I said it...), we are going nowhere. I think both sides have given a little (and from virtanis's post some of us may not really be that far away), its mostly the extremists fighting it out now. While I don't see myself as an extremist, I do try to bring them further towards the middle.

Jenden Morn - Master of Droids- Tarquinas
Droid Engineer Blue Glowy
Owner, Operator, and Founder of DarkStar Inc.
Groupy of the best band in the galaxy, Solar Flair
3D art of Jenden by Saeelwenea

Zocima

Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:14 pm

#28

Even debating of the combat droid issue is a waste of time now.
No matter how constructive it is.

New droids are not being implemented because there are too many bugs
and usefulness issues to deal with first.

Why worry about new droids when the BLL is still useless?

There is no good argument against the priorities being:

1. Fix the bug list
2. Make the droids we have usable and interesting.

Adding combat droids is like adding an addition to a house with a
bad foundation. It's just a bad idea.

That aside...

My real problem with the original post is that it sounds reminiscent of a
whining 3'rd grader.

Example: Whiner wants to play kickball. Almost every other kid wants to play
football. Whiner runs to the gym teacher where no other kids are around and
whines "but I want to play kickball!"
Whiner then petitions the other kickball kids to do the same.

You end up with one REALLY annoyed teacher, and a football game that would be
better with a few more people.
Plus, it's not like they won't play kickball later.

~~ Senor ~~
Ghetto-Fish Enterprises

MCarbineer, MFencer, Commando
CorSec Pilot

Enjoying the challenge and dynamic that the CU has brought.

Kollos

Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:21 pm

#29

Shian_Tavkin wrote:

[another ad hominem attack]

ROFLMAO... do you even read your own posts?

You are and have been far nastier to me than I have been to anyone, including Arden. Yet you continue to spout your snide little remarks and hold your nose up in the air like you're better than everyone else.

I'm not riled up at all. I find your reactions amusing because they're so inconsistent with what you preach to others.

Kollos Orcslayer : Master Droid Engineer : Master Artisan

Droids by Kollos -840, 3980 Seacht, Naboo (NW of Keren)
Bounty Hunter Droids by Kollos 4924, 6107 550m SW of Kaadara
Vehicles and Master Artisan Components also available
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duncje

Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:04 pm

#30

Jenden wrote:

I've got to agree shian (yes, I said it...), we are going nowhere. I think both sides have given a little (and from virtanis's post some of us may not really be that far away), its mostly the extremists fighting it out now. While I don't see myself as an extremist, I do try to bring them further towards the middle.

I really don't know how much "give" this argument has. The Hybrid DE with use of higher powered combat droids will not happen. Think about it:

DE requires nothing but crafting XP and Eng 4(one branch of one novice profession). This in and of itself does not make us a pure crafter class, but every other hybrid class (be it CH, or Commando, or CM, whatever) requires at least 2 branches of a novice tree as a prerequisite. The Devs cannot and will not expand the requirements to become a DE, simply because a bunch of people who do not have those extra requirements already would be screwed. So the Devs would have to drop everyone from DE to be fair to all. This would not be acceptable customer service and would be a PR nightmare, once game mags and websites got wind of this. So to think the Devs will give DE higher powered combat droids is misguided at best.

So in order to put higher powered droids in the game, a DC profession is needed. Runesabre has said that he opposes adding new classes before the current broken ones are fixed. The most broken professions are getting the once over in the upcoming patches (probably 4 or 5 patches total, once all are gotten around to). So DC really isn't an option until much further down the road (or even the Space Expansion, who knows?)

So for now, we've gotthe new Combat Modules with this publish, and whatever utility they give us in the next publish.

Beebo
Master Droid Engineer | Shipwright | Master Artisan
Crazy Beebo's Discount Droids & Ships {-1075 -2924} Bestine, Tatooine

Jenden

Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:09 pm

#31

The give I was talking about was the shift (at least for me) from no combat droids at all to no combat droids in the DE profession. From that point I cannot move, as it would mean the complete abandonment of the profession that I love.

Jenden Morn - Master of Droids- Tarquinas
Droid Engineer Blue Glowy
Owner, Operator, and Founder of DarkStar Inc.
Groupy of the best band in the galaxy, Solar Flair
3D art of Jenden by Saeelwenea

Gribnitz

Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:05 pm

#32

Kollos wrote:

Shian_Tavkin wrote:

[another ad hominem attack]

ROFLMAO... do you even read your own posts?

You are and have been far nastier to me than I have been to anyone, including Arden. Yet you continue to spout your snide little remarks and hold your nose up in the air like you're better than everyone else.

I'm not riled up at all. I find your reactions amusing because they're so inconsistent with what you preach to others.

ROFLMAO !!! I think you two need to kiss and make up.

(stoke the fire)

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Ockale_MDE

Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:40 pm

#33

Boeda wrote:

Its the 'pure crafters' who have nothing better to do while they are waiting for thier resourses to switch (paint dry?) that come to the forums to 'kill time' (how do I know this ?)((Oh ya, cause I cant do much else))

So let me get this straight, there are actually people trying to figure out why it "seems" there are more crafter-oriented DE's on the boards? You mean the fact that we're a "Crafting" profession wouldn't perhaps signal that the majority of us are crafters? /boggle

Ockale Akdan
Master Droid Engineer
Master Artisan
KoRTech Industries
(Tarquinas)

Kollos

Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:13 am

#34

Shian,

They didn't teach debate at my high school. That's just another one of your assumptions about me that contributes to our communication problems. Debate is not about reaching common ground - that's what compromise is about. Debate is about defending a position and making that position clear to others. Debate is, at its core, a contest. However, there need not be a "winner" or a "loser" - both sides win if the result is that both sides better understand the other. I believe that, in your own way, you do understand my side. However, you're a rarity on your side of this particular debate. Some of the other people just don't get it and continue to misrepresent the facts when arguing their own case.

The reason I keep responding to you is that you continually make the same mistakes that you're chastising me for making. You don't practice what you preach. What I don't think you understand is that I'm just responding. That's just the way I prefer to do things. I don't initiate attacks, but if someone chooses to attack me they'd better be prepared for a counter-attack. If you truely have read my posts and the ones I have been responding to (yours or others'), you should be able to see this.

If you don't want me to "attack" you, then don't make slanderousreference to my upbringing (which you know nothing about) or my schooling (which you know nothing about) or my life in general (which you know nothing about). Don't make comments about my nationality or my sex - they're irrelevant, as are yours. You provoke the responses you get from me, as does everyone else. If I'm polite to TK421 and Jenden, it's because they are polite to me, not because they agree with me. If I'm rude to you and Arden, it's because you're rude to me, not because you disagree with me. You'll note that despite the fact that I disagree (largely :smileywink

with Audio, the two of us haven't "come to blows". Could that be due to the fact that Audio is polite even when disagreeing with me? Could it be that Audio doesn't make personal comments about me when posting?

Do I need to go back and find all the facile comments and snide bullying remarks you have made that have prompted me to make them back to you? Do you want me to go back and unbury the start of it all? Because I remember when it happened. I remember when you lashed out at me personally the first time. It was so off the wall and out of the blue that I sat here and laughed.

There was no smiley feel in this thread at the start. Go back and read it from the "pure crafter" point of view, if you can manage that. (No, that's not a snide comment. It's difficult for anyone to read an argument from the other point of view.)

If defending ones own ideas and opinions from being distorted and misconstrued is being a bully, then yeah I'm a bully. If having a thing about defending fact from fiction is being a bully, then yeah I'm a bully. But that's a rather strange definition of bully, don't you think?

I think you're trying, so no I don't consider this an attack. However, just so that you understand, don't you think that "still on your high horse," "Unmoving, Macho, Da Man," "stubbornness and bully tactics par excellence," "I'd slap you if I ever met you in RL," "there is no gentleman in you," "vast male ego," and being compared to the Berlin wall could be construed as attacks, particularly coming from someone who has attacked in the past? Do you truely not see what you're doing? You claim to be able to see it in me, how can you not see it in yourself?

Kollos Orcslayer : Master Droid Engineer : Master Artisan

Droids by Kollos -840, 3980 Seacht, Naboo (NW of Keren)
Bounty Hunter Droids by Kollos 4924, 6107 550m SW of Kaadara
Vehicles and Master Artisan Components also available
paying 250k/point for Droid Assembly Skill Tapes, minimum of +4

Wynn814

Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:35 pm

#35

There are so few of us. I think we need to brainstorm moreand fight less, The rants and flames do us no good as DEs as a whole. I am all for debate and think its good but alot of the post have no point in helping DEs. Like this one I am making right now

Batteries not Included Inc
Naboo, Trinity City -6732 -4491
Droid Engineer since 12/03

Micco30

Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:34 pm

#36

Ahhh, now I remember why I don't come here anymore!

Two accounts cancelled due to lack of Dev interest

The NGE, a sad end to a great game!

Shian_Tavkin

Sat Feb 28, 2004 11:08 pm

#37

I'm finished with him on this anyway..it is pointless and I did lose my cool. Doesn't mean I was not saying what I felt though.

Let this one die.

Shian -- Master Droid Engineer/ Master Artisan

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