Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: Please help me understand your change of heart.
Slythetove
Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:36 pm
#352
There was no change of heart here. Only the tiniest of minority ever wanted a Droid Handler class.
I hope you're kidding when you say that we said we wanted a Droid Handler class at any point in time.
You have to be kidding.
AugustusCaine
Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:29 pm
#353
All I know is that I'm going to crate a whack of droids and probably drop this joke of a profession. I've personally had enough of us SCREAMING what we want only to have the devs scratch thier head and go "huh? So you want this thing here then?" After we scream for the hundredth time that NO we dont want that, we want this instead... they go "huh? Oh that... we'll see what we can do in the future". And nothing ever happens. These cases ofintentional amnesia have become to tiresome.
drinkalot
Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:51 am
#354
I scimmed the posts - just out of curiosity did TH apologize in any of them yet?
I for one have been a MDE for close to 2 months, and have been lurking on this board. I am apalled by what is going on. Clearly SOE has told us that there were changes in store for January, and now this crap is going on. I for one am close to cancelling my account - I pay 15 bucks a month to be told one thing and then another happens...cool that's awesome customer service.
"Hey Sir your Big Mac will be right out"
"Sorry Sir, did I tell you that your Big Mac will be right out? It'll be another 2 hours before you can get it...but I promise you that you are next on our list" etc etc
Do you think I would ever go back to that establishment?
Here is an idea? Before you introduce new things maybe...just maybe you should consider FIXING the existing bugs with DEs?
- Johny Maverick, MDE, Scylla
Twyst1
Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:49 am
#355
I have only spot read a fewposts, so if this idea has been posted, I appologize.
I think the idea of a droid handler profession would work if designedproperly as a "mini-profession".
It shouldbe available to everyone from the start (no skill prerequisites), but actually have owning a droid as a prerequisite, so if somone uses a droid theygain xp in the droid handler tree.
As people use their droids and gain xp,use the same skill point requirements thatelite professions use, therefore requiring skill points to progressfurther up the DH tree, but not requiringthe 15skillpoint sink to get started.
This would allow peopleto use basic droids from the start, but could invest the skillpoints if they chose for more advanced droids and increased functionality.
Something along these lines I think would be a pretty kewl idea,while keeping within the programming requirements set forth by the developers.
sosusred
Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:02 am
#356
All this is not SOE's fault. Most of you people have been saying for months now that you only wanted to be a crafter class. Better be careful what you wish for you just might get it.
You allhave ruined DE for me and alot of people. I have just made Master artisan and was going DE until this grand announcement. I cant drop master rifleman just to pick up DHto be able to use the droids that I build. If you did not want to be in combat than the solution is to not put yoursaelf in combat, why go and ruin it for everyone else?
If you all were against the "crafter class" only thing then why didnt you speak up when you had the chance. All the DE's who are vocal now, were silent then and it made SOE think that no one wanted to fight. If in fact it is the majorty of you that want to be able to use your droids....YOU ARE TOO LATE! Where were you 2 months ago? For the past couple of months I have been comming to this board the majority of you it seeemed wanted only to be a crafter class. NOw that sony listened to you and made you a crafter class only, no need to freak out. Its what you asked for.
Do I sound angry? I am because people who did not want to use droids to fight with have ruined it for the people who did want to build droids and fight with them. Good job.
zubirg
Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:57 am
#357
My wishlist :
[b] Combat Droids[/b]
I want too sell them, in order to do that they NEED to be better than level 10 pets, make them as good as pre-nerf probots at least and maybe turn Decay much faster.
Also want some new kind of Combat Droids
[b]Bugs[/b]
OK lets fix experimentatio and all bugs in modules, c'mon not that hard
[b] Droid Handler [/b]
Dont want it, at least not as a new profession maybe as a new tree in DE
maybe some new droids that only DE can handle ? doesnt have to be combat droids
make BLL DE's companion were he can store much more items than Levle 6 Item
[b]GCW[/b]
Make DE a important char in GCW
Examples :
Being Able to Disable AT-ST and AT-AT ?
[i]just keep dreaming, just keep dreaming, just keep dreaming [/i]
[b] Combat Droids[/b]
I want too sell them, in order to do that they NEED to be better than level 10 pets, make them as good as pre-nerf probots at least and maybe turn Decay much faster.
Also want some new kind of Combat Droids
[b]Bugs[/b]
OK lets fix experimentatio and all bugs in modules, c'mon not that hard
[b] Droid Handler [/b]
Dont want it, at least not as a new profession maybe as a new tree in DE
maybe some new droids that only DE can handle ? doesnt have to be combat droids
make BLL DE's companion were he can store much more items than Levle 6 Item
[b]GCW[/b]
Make DE a important char in GCW
Examples :
Being Able to Disable AT-ST and AT-AT ?
[i]just keep dreaming, just keep dreaming, just keep dreaming [/i]
Arcid
Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:11 am
#358
Sorry, minor thread hijack here.
There's a proposal in this thread
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=droid_engineer&message.id=55037
which has met with approval from all the DEs who've responded. I'm posting the link here so Thunderheart will be more likely to visit the thread to look at it (He looked at a previous version, but misunderstood what was being suggested, this is clarified with some implementation suggestions etc)
Apoligies for disrupting the conversation otherwise
Leadhead101
Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:44 am
#359
Arcid wrote:
Sorry, minor thread hijack here.
There's a proposal in this thread
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=droid_engineer&message.id=55037
which has met with approval from all the DEs who've responded. I'm posting the link here so Thunderheart will be more likely to visit the thread to look at it (He looked at a previous version, but misunderstood what was being suggested, this is clarified with some implementation suggestions etc)
Apoligies for disrupting the conversation otherwise
Dang thats it! All DEs read this posted thread! This is the answer!
durexseven
Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:49 am
#360
Sorry if this is unwanted but, trying to read ten thousand post that most of them say the same thing is well a bore and a waste of time. Is there anyway to reduce or condense this thing so that it is easier to read? I mean it is going on ten pages. A great discussion, but i read the entire Lord of the rings trilogy including the hobbit in less time than it takes to get through this.
This is just a question, if it can be done it would be, of coursegreat.
I am not in favor of a droid handler class. And i did skip to the end after reading so many repeated ideas and comments. But what is the suggested "called" droid number. I know in the movies (Ep. 1-3) there were droids under the command of other droids under the command of ....and so on, till it gets to the Organics. Anyone have an idea on what this max number could be? In real life and SW I could have an infite amount of droids, they are self sefficient enough to take care of themselves(seek maintanace or repair). All I am getting at is unlike beast, a droid would have no problems taking orders from me no matter what (aside from breaking down), leaving the only limiting factor to cash flow?
I got waaaay off my initial topic of condensing the thread to make it readable. Probably restated some crap that was already stated? If you make powerfull battle droids faction only and made rank in said faction determain droid power and amount, then you have something to work with. But to keepDE happy they are the only was that can get the schematics to build said droid for said dude. I am still off topic. **edit** i'm tired.
~~Ikea Boy
sorry for skipping have the post. But it's late and I am tired. The things I own have taken ownership over me.
NerfLord
Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:10 pm
#361
I was not in favour of the DH class for the simple fact, I felt adding another droid class would split the devs time spent on DE and so it would in general not progress as it would have...
But saying this if a cert system can not be put then may be this is the only way to go. As the Devs can not please every one they should draw up a plan and go for it using as much player input as possible.. at least that way we get some new content...
Failing that the overal strengh of combat droids could be limited to around Probot level but just give us the different frame styles..
AudioOrgana
Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:53 pm
#362
sosusred wrote:
All this is not SOE's fault. Most of you people have been saying for months now that you only wanted to be a crafter class. Better be careful what you wish for you just might get it.
Do I sound angry? I am because people who did not want to use droids to fight with have ruined it for the people who did want to build droids and fight with them. Good job.
I challenge you to find where we said that we wanted a DH class.
Instead of blaming us, blame the people who are making up things we never said.
Go, find where the "majority of us" said we wanted a DH profession - and I'll sell you a bridge on Rori...
Audio
progman63
Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:13 pm
#363
TH, this is not a rant.
This isa problem we continuously see in the DE forum.
Anda grave warning.
Please read and take to heart.
Delete it if you want to, but please read it.......
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
PLEASE!
Do NOT take any posts that try to quote statistics for the DE community as a whole to be anything more than mere conjecture by the person that quoted them.
Almost EVERY 'poll' that has been conducted on this forum has been mis-presented, mis-represented, mis-quoted, mis-construed, mis-stated, mis-understood, mis-I_cant_think_of_any_more_'mis'es.
In other words, NOTrepresentative of the community, and above all else SKEWED.
The overwhelming problem is due to the fact that THERE ARE NOT JUST TWO CHOICES or camps.
These two choices that everyone likes to throw around are actually a MULTITUDE of individual issues that have been lumped, and unlumped, and relumped into only TWO generalized options that we've been asked over and over to respond to.
AND MOST PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN AGREE INTO WHICH OF THESE TWO CHOICES MANY OF THESE INDIVIDUAL ISSUES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LUMPED!
You should avoid oversimplified generalizations such as this, no matter how much easier you think it would make your job, and focus on the INDIVIDUAL issues and people's opinions on THOSE to get the real answers you are looking for.
Focus on the issues.
NOT skrewed up generalizations, and any nebulous assumptions you are asked to make from them.
The individual issues have never even been formally collected into one thread or even clearly defined for the community to vote on. People just group the individual issues together depending on their own view of the topics and just assume everyone knows what they mean and understand the implications.
There may well be no 'change of heart' at all. It may just be that the way in which this particular poll was presented, with the individual issues lumped in a different way this time, caused people to vote in a different way than the last time someone presented it.
PLUS the fact that this was in NO way ANY kind of formal or official poll. Many of the people I've talked to never even saw the original thread for these results.
AND the fact that these silly polls are presented almost every other day, so most people don't even respond to them anymore.
We're waiting for the ID thread, so why waste our time arguing the same stuff over and over again in THIS forum?
The two choices that we are discussinghere are NOT mutually exclusive of each other. A player may agree with 3 features someone lumped into 'crafter', yet agree with 2 other features that someone lumped into 'combat'.
The answers to your questions are NOT just these TWO choices. They are a MULTITUDE of individual issues that need to be defined and discussed INDIVIDUALLY.
And if you draw conclusions using only these two very poorly defined generalized choices, you will NOT be making sound decisions based on the desires of the DE community at large.
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progman63
Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:04 pm
#364
A few notes from various posts in this thread:
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Right now, the topic of discussion everywhere is combat droids.
That's not to say that other functionality is not important, but that is what is on the devs plate right now, so that is what we need to discuss so that we have answers whenever the ID thread is finally posted.
Keep those other ideas coming on the forum. But for right now, combat droids are the big thing.
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It's painfully apparent from different comments made in numerous threads by both players, correspondents, and devs, that NO ONE really understands what various terms like DE-only, DH, CH clone, certs, etc, etc, etc, even mean because it seems almost EVERYONE has their own definition of what these terms mean.
People have said they don't want to be a CH clone, but that combat droid skills should be put in the DE skill tree like creature skills are in the CH tree.
There's a distinction between we don't want to be a DH profession and we don't want a DH profession, but no one makes this distinction when discussing the topics.
I even heard someone say that we didn't want a DH profession because it would be stupid to see everyone standing around going "Good boy. Don't be afraid..." to their droids.
The terminology, and the arguments, have become so clouded and confusing that it's almost useless to even try discussing them because it only leads to more confusion as people mish-mash terms and issues into a big wad and then try to slap some statistics or consensus on it.
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The individual issues that people are concerned will cause problems with combat droids and the DE profession need to be identified, defined so everyone knows what the heck we're talking about, and then discussed in a meaningful manner.
Not this BS crafter vs combat debate everyone likes to regurgitate every poll.
This is not the divisive subject that divides DE.
We can't even agree on the definition of these terms.
We need to focus on the individual topics.