Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: Nerf Detonation Droid Thread in Jedi forums
Balaam23
Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:37 pm
#14
Thanks for the input Garvin, I too would like to see Commandos get Certed for using detonation module equipped droids, not solely because I'm interested in the sales, but also because I'm an MDE with pyromaniacal tendencies and flamethrowers 4 
blow things up and burn them down, doesn't get any better 
KnightHawk420
Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:05 pm
#15
MCH ought to be able to call 3 droids no? Since now all pets are apparently equal more or lesss. Just like an MCH can control 3 faction troops and such.
Mikhail24
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:09 am
#16
The problem with the Bomb Droids isn't the droids themselves, it's the manner they are being used with the current BH Jedi mission system.
Since the BH has a TEF on his Jedi mark and not vice-versa, the BH can have his mouse bomb droid track the Jedi and detonate with the Jedi not knowing until he had already taken the damage. If said Jedi was getting buffed or standing at the ticket taker (which is when a Bounty Hunter often strikes) then there is no real way to "sense" the danger coming.
Bomb Droids can be easiliy destroyed once the TEF is active on it's owner, but currently, the system is so broken that Bomb Droids represent a "free" 1000dmg shot on Jedi. (I'm not sure how much damage these actually cause in PvP, but I have heard reports of Jedi being incapped in one shot by a droid)
Gavvot
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:16 am
#17
Then indeed, I think there is a bug.
Didn't knew that the Jedi didn't had a TEF on the BH (doesn't really make sence).
Hum, I'm no BH and no Jedi, so will be hard to test.
Yeah, those boom droid can incap someone in one hit. If they have no buff and no blast resist armor.
With a standard compo, I don't think a 1 shot incap is possible, even unbuffed.
Didn't knew that the Jedi didn't had a TEF on the BH (doesn't really make sence).
Hum, I'm no BH and no Jedi, so will be hard to test.
Yeah, those boom droid can incap someone in one hit. If they have no buff and no blast resist armor.
With a standard compo, I don't think a 1 shot incap is possible, even unbuffed.
Mikhail24
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:26 am
#18
In fact there is no way for a Jedi to know if he is on the terminals or even if a Bounty Hunter has his mission until the BH attacks first (or in certain rare instances, tells his mark he is being hunted)
A Bounty Hunter with my mission could be following me for hours with a TEF - able to attack first at any time - and I'd never know it. That's the problem with the bomb droids.
Gavvot
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:32 am
#19
Well, if the TEF work both side, that's not a bug.
The counter on top of the droid is very visible.
And the way it work seems ok.
I mean, he could also attack you with a grenade or a flamethrower.
The counter on top of the droid is very visible.
And the way it work seems ok.
I mean, he could also attack you with a grenade or a flamethrower.
Jenden
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:38 am
#20
The fact that it gets in a free shot really isn't any different than the BH getting in a free shot with one of his other weapons. Sure, the droid might do more but would you complain if the BH got a super LLC that just got 1 shot? It makes perfect sense that the Jedi shouldn't be able to attack untill attacked, he doesn't kow the hunter is after him. For all he knows its just some random guy walking past, or its a BH out on a different mission. Should they be wary of all BH's? sure. Does this make the droids broken or bugged? nope. The only thing I could see being a bug is the range on them, but even then by the time the BH actually gets in range after the droid goes off, the target could have healed all the damage they took.
Straker_Atrella
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:08 pm
#21
The system is actually pretty fun, I hunt a lot with our guild Jedi and it's very cool never knowing if that person is gonig to attack at any given time.
With the 75% PVP reduction a Bomb droid will not take out a buffed Jedi. Yes an unbuffed Jedi it will.
So if you do something to to gain high Force visibility, then you end up on the BH boards, then you proceed to walk around unbuffed, then yes a Droid Bomb can incap you. So would a surprise attack.
The system is fine, yes low level Jedis can be sucking if they get sucker punched by a Bomb droid, low level Jedi are pretty much sucking anyway.
High level Jedi, can heal all 3 pool with Force powers, so they can get the damage back.
Also somethingelse to remember, is Jedi (at least not noob ones) are almost immune to ranged attacks, they block them all. This means that BH's need to resort to stealth and tactics to take their prey down. Bomb Droids are one part of this.
It's a lot of fun.
neinnunb
Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:23 pm
#22
All I can say is a Jedi should be paranoid about being out in the open. Having such powers also warrants risks. Basically, to balance an almost godly character against cannon fodder, non-Jedi must have an ace in the hole.
And like Jenden said, theres no difference from the BH using his own guns to inflict the damage. You could be a BH/Commando and sling a powerful grenade or rocketat the Jedi causing just as much damage (edit: well maybe not, commando grenades and rockets need some fixing). Lets also not forget the huge expensce the BH has to take to buy the droid.
Message Edited by neinnunb on 07-17-2004 12:29 AM
Lycids
Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:15 pm
#23
I tried to go to that page but it had been deleted. I guess the DEV's saw thru the mountain of BS, thankfully. Since the revamp Overt Jedi kicking butt on Non-Jedi overts has become a common sight. At least in my galaxy. So all i can say is let the Jedi hunters have their little droids, and lets us Master DE's supply them. Next to my Probe and seeker droids, they are my best sellers.
Steegee
Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:08 am
#24
i'd also like to point out a potential bug that with the bomb droid can be really bad. The other day i was able to target someone that was over 6km away. I don't mean target the person and drive off. I mean i was hunting klikniks and wanted to know if the BH that was after me earlier was near as i saw a dot on my radar. Now when i did some commands i was able to target the BH i was looking for, but he was over 6km away.
i won't go into detail on how i did it. But if there's no range limitation on the bomb droids what's to stop a BH (or any overt faction player) from targeting someone and sending bomb after bomb from a safe (WAY safe) distance???
OckVofad
Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:26 am
#25
This is the first time i've heard of that!
Please send our corresponant a message telling him how you did it.
MavriK512
Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:20 pm
#26
I love these little things, they are hilarious.
I guess it would make sense for a range to be put on the detonate command, but seriously, if these things get nerfed damage wise, that would really blow. BHs (and smugglers, if they're like me and just like blowing stuff up) pay a lot of money for these one use droids.
I guess it would make sense for a range to be put on the detonate command, but seriously, if these things get nerfed damage wise, that would really blow. BHs (and smugglers, if they're like me and just like blowing stuff up) pay a lot of money for these one use droids.