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Thread: Request to DEs who don't want to use our high end combat droids.

Droid-Creator
Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:23 pm
#14

Just be a CH if I want combat pets.



HOW ABOUT HELL NO.



Whoever the moron is who even allowed that class into SWG should be fired.



Just because you want to be a hermit and craft all day doesn't mean the rest of us do.




"Wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen to us, come because we actually deserve them? So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the Universe." -Marcus Cole (Babylon 5, A Late Delivery from Avalon)
Daker-Naritus
Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:33 pm
#15





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Whoever the moron is who even allowed that class into SWG should be fired.






I wholeheartely agree with you there. There is absolutely NO way to balance creatures in the game, and all the time devs have wasted trying to do so is time they could have spent fixing the cluster-f that is DE.


I hope you do agree, however, that since we agree CH is moronic, we also should agree that we don't need another CH class.







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Just because you want to be a hermit and craft all day doesn't mean the rest of us do.






If you reread my post, you will see the following. "By the way, I am currently a Commando/Pistoleer/Medic/DE...I am FAR from gimpy." If you are saying that you can't fight without a combat droid that only you can use, I am TELLING you that you are crazy. You have all the tools you need to be a combat bad ass at your disposal already. Whether you decide to use them is your choice. If you don't want to sit in your house and craft all day, there is nothing preventing you from taking up combat skills and doing the opposite. If you think you need DE-only droids to fight, you are the one with the "hermit" problem.

Daker-Naritus
Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:36 pm
#16




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What the hell was I thinking, why would I a lowly artisan want to have a combat droid that would let me.....survive harvestor runs, survive running to my factories, go hunting with friends... you know ...hunting exploring....the places where the Content is... or Participate in the ... GCW...you know the WHOLE backdrop to this game. I must have been crazy .....






Is this that hard to understand?


NO-ONE said you shouldn't get to have combat droids. We are only saying they shouldn't be DE-only.


*pauses to let the lightbulb turn on*


aaaaaaahhhhhhh....I get it.

Droid-Creator
Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:44 pm
#17

If you want to become a self sufficient DE lets see how many of those skills you can keep


to be self sufficient you need


Master Droid Engineer


Master Artisan


Buildings I in Architect


Personal Armor IV from armorsmith.



Again, if they make high level droids available to everyone they won't be high level...they will be balanced with master elit combat classes in mind, in otherwords they will suck.




"Wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen to us, come because we actually deserve them? So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the Universe." -Marcus Cole (Babylon 5, A Late Delivery from Avalon)
Nailliar
Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:55 pm
#18

**edit**, still hasn't passed out yet... keep arguing.



Rialia Darkstar
"You have failed me for the last time, SOE"
EricTheGreat
Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:57 pm
#19

Yes to be an effectice DE master artisan is pretty much required. I want an effective combat droid(s)


I think certifications for droids are important, and having one decent combat droid for MDE only would be good (the BEST combat droid shouldnt even be close to what a master CH can get, but that doesnt mean it cant be like sludge panther level, maybe a little bit higher.) ONE DE ONLY DROID IS ALLRIGHT AS LONG AS THERE ARE OTHER BETTER COMBAT DROIDS FOR EVERYONE.


They need the certifications because then everyone will only get the best one, and lesser combat droids will be worthless. With certifications, every kind of droid will be made, and people will buy more droids when they get a better certification.


We need a vartiety of combat droids, for different skills levels and such.


Daker- What are your DE skills at?




Kenner Aldric
~Deviancy At Its Best~
BH/Pistoleer Cowboy Extrodinaire, Recovering Old Timer MDE Spice Addict

Daker-Naritus
Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:57 pm
#20

Droid-Creator, that's the problem...you are assuming that if you limit combat droids to DE-only they will giveus high end combat droids.



Reality check: They won't.



They are nerfing CHs because they think pets are too big a factor in combat. They are nerfing faction pets because they think pets are too big a factor in combat. They are limiting droid owners to one pet because they think pets are too big a factor in combat.


What you are asking for is crazy. When you get DE-only combat droids, and we still have no-one to sell to, and we go back to the devs and say "please fix us some more we were being greedy and not looking toward the future of the profession" do you think we are going to get more help? Hell no. They will be working on other classes.


DE's have 3 problems: (1) lack of droid diversity (no reason to buy multiple droids); (2) lack of droid functionality (droids are more a novelty than a benefit to buyers); (3) no decay on droids (no one every buys droids again).


Now, which of these 3 problems are you helping by trying to push for DE-only droids? What? Uber-ownz-combat-skillz is not on the list? Then why ask for it? (Answer: You are thinking of what will help you own in combat rather than what will help the DE class survive). DE's need the above problems fixed before any attention is turned to anything else.They are not meant to be a combat class, improved combat skills will do nothing for the class. If you totally ignore the need for an improved droid market by asking for CH-like droid abilities, you are not only ignoring the needs of the class, you are killing the class.

Jenden
Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:59 pm
#21






Nailliar wrote:

What the hell was I thinking, why would I a lowly artisan want to have a combat droid that would let me.....survive harvestor runs, survive running to my factories, go hunting with friends... you know ...hunting exploring....the places where the Content is... or Participate in the ... GCW...you know the WHOLE backdrop to this game. I must have been crazy .....







Ok, here's the trick. If all you want to do is survive harvester runs and do a little exploring, you don't need anything beefed up. as I think I mentioned earlier, there is not a mob in the game that my probot won't protect me from. If you want to actually fight such as you mentioned participating in the GCW and going to some of the more combat oriented areas, then you should have to take up a combat class as well. As someone else mentioned, you still have plenty of skill points left in which to do that with. I don't see the architects/weaponsmiths/armorsmiths/tailors/chefs/BE's whining for some combat system so they can do these things, so what makes you feel that the DE class should? I am not saying there shouldn't be any combat droids, I am saying that there should not be any DE only combat droids. Again, asI mentioned earlier, cert them to elite combat professions (and maybe co-cert at least some of the to DE if that will make you happy), just don't make any that no one else can use.


Jenden Morn - Master Droid Engineer - Mos Espa, Tarquinas


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Daker-Naritus
Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:09 pm
#22




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Daker- What are your DE skills at?






Right now, I am sorry to say 2-2-0-3. I was up to 4-3-2-4, buthave had to sacrifice a bunch in the Holo hunt, because I can't lose my commando skills or I won't be able to continue finding Holos.


I really didn't mind the DE grind anyway (I tried to make it interesting...one night I made a bunch of mouse droids and spent an hour taming them and sending them to their death against a fambaa ).


Now I have had to ditch some skills from every tree on my way to mastering pikeman (screw you Holocron). It sucks, but I would like there to be an actual DE profession left when i finish this Holo BS. Ideally, I will have some new, cool droidekas to make. *crosses fingers*

Droid-Creator
Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:21 pm
#23

And that says so much about your play style...


You have no attachment to the DE profession at all, by your own admission you see classes as a means to and end, that end being more uber...specifically Jedi.


Most of us have more attachment to our class and characters than that and don't want to chuck it to experiemce more of the game.




"Wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen to us, come because we actually deserve them? So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the Universe." -Marcus Cole (Babylon 5, A Late Delivery from Avalon)
EricTheGreat
Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:23 pm
#24

I honestly dont even want to use my holo. I like where my char is and where hes going, despite that I like everyone else would love to be a jedi.


I find grinding is easier when you do it in a cantina. at least then you have some music to listen to and can read other peoples conversations.


But I think we need some more combat droids, and do certifications for them. And all these combat droids im hoping of getting, I don't want them super strong that they will fight battles for me. I dont want any droid that is near the level of a master CH pet, or even close to it.


I would like droidekas to be Master DE only. They are pretty rare in episode 1 and 2, and i really dont want to see everyone running around with a droideka. It's too comparable to all the grauls/maulers around now. But even though they would be the best if MDE only, I would only want them near sludge panther level, maybe a little higher. But not near the next CH level for grauls or whatnot. If they make it too powerful we will have made DE the "new CH." I dont want all powerful combat droids.


I would think that the battle droid and super battle droid (the roger roger and his big grey cousin in ep2) would be good for elite combat classes. Its more realistic to think that there were lots of those left over from ep2, especially the roger rogers. maybe the roger roger for novice elite class, super battle droid for master elite class.


Mainly I really want the certs for the different battle droids, so that we would be able to sell multiple battle droids to an aspiriing fighter.


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Kenner Aldric
~Deviancy At Its Best~
BH/Pistoleer Cowboy Extrodinaire, Recovering Old Timer MDE Spice Addict

Daker-Naritus
Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:25 pm
#25

If you have so much attachment to DE, why are you trying to further your combat skills rather than your crafting and sales abiliities?



It is obvious you don't care about the betterment of DE, you just want uberness.


I don't wan't uberness, I just want to have the chance to play a jedi. I can always relearn DE. You have one shot to fix DE. You are screwing it up.

Daker-Naritus
Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:26 pm
#26




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I honestly dont even want to use my holo.






Don't...it will give you nothing but bad news.

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