Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: BE/CH DE/DH Idea is stupid, Here's why.
Before stating that everyone should be able to use any droid, look at how the game is structured for a moment. A droid handler profession makes sense. Who among all the other professions knowns anything at all about droid use on a battlefield? The DE's? No, they know how to build and hopefully repair them. Some Pistoleer who dabbled in three other clases to get certs? No, because those professions demonstrate no knowledge of how best to employ a droid in a combat situation. It requires specialized training and experience. Yes, anyone can use the utility droids. Sure, anyone can use the low power combat droids by saying "attack" and hoping it kills what you point to. But the more powerful combat droids should be the realm of a profession dedicated to specific knowledge of their use and maintainence in the field.
As far as the rest of the professions, everyone should be able to operate several utility droids at once. This makes perfect sense to me and i'd like to see it implemented. Quoting movies about what you have or havent seen, or what wouldor wouldn't be starwarsy has no relevance in the debate. This game has a life of its own which seperates it from the movies and book.All that matters now is, what meshes well with the game mechanics.
Some good flowing logic here. Some analogies car factory work versus stunt car driver. Plane assembly person versus combat pilot or air shows. There is every reason to believe that builders of some things are not the end users.
PhyloxKegdraal wrote:
In Star Wars
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"Jawas in their phat desert cruiser pull up to some poor farmers house in the middle of tatooine*
"JIBBADIBBAWTFEVERTHREYSAY " Says a Jawa...
" Yeah I'll take these 2 droids!" says the poor farmer as he points to the 2 droids.
“POW!” one droid fries out before the trade was made. Probably due to the decay. “Uh… On second thought I’ll just take this one” as he points to C3PO and R2D2.
So the poor stupid farmers bought 2 more droids. And was happily ever after…until the imperial army destroyed his farm. (yay go imps)
In SWG
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"Jawas in their phat desert cruiser pull up to some poor farmers house in the middle of tatooine*
"JIBBADIBBAWTFEVERTHREYSAY " Says a Jawa...
" Yeah I'll take these 2 droids!" says the poor farmer as he points to the 2 droids…
“JIBBAJABBALALALA” questions a Jawa.
“Uh.. No I don’t have the certs for them” replies the Farmer noticing a loss in his farm production because he doesn’t have certs for them.
“LIBBADIBBANOOBSTFUTHEN” laughs a Jawa and drives off… the farmer sighs and kicks the dirt and he find himself sh*t outta luck because he has no certs for handling creatures either.
OMG!!!!!
I'm absolutely wiping tears from my eyes right now! That was the funniest thing I've seen in days. This belongs in the "funniest posts on the DE forums" thread that I'm building.
The point i'm trying to get across is that, having certifications for droid is idiocy. If I want to use a droid. I program it to OBEY.
Actually, we don't really ever see droids "programmed" in the films, nor am I aware of this being mentioned much in any of the EU books I've read.
This is the difference between CH’s and “ DH’s “. Droid have no animal instinct, they are programmed to obey who they’re master is.
Well, to befair, creatures aretamed ("programmed") in the wild. True, not exactly identical tostanding by a crafting station or droid but the same basic 'I'm you're master' message.
We also get the fun of "Taming" our droids. Does that mean that DEsare really just distant relatives of theCH's (with the same copy/paste content that we'll soon be seeing in DH's?)
I wonder how full the "Droid Commander's" Forum profession room will be filled with the same kinds of problems and issue threads that ours is now. Now we're up to 37 professions that don't quite work right.
Anyone else not feeling why DH shouldn't be such a good idea? It's a WOMBAT.
Waste Of Money, Brains And Time.
Therefore, CH’s and they’re pets should be, by all means. More powerful then “ DH’s”.
1870% agreed. Well said. I'm fearing that this is a distinction that's lost to theDevs in all these crazy posts.
I'm notsure that droids SHOULD compete with creatures asthe de facto pick for the "uber" combat-minded. That likely SHOULD be the case.
What DEs try to say is...."Droids are different, that's all. Let's treat them that way and do it right. Okay?". We've been trying to say that for about 8 months, give or take.
I just dropped CH due to it being so heavily nerfed, but I think that DH/DE idea is stupidity. If you have something programmed to work for you, why do you have to be a “Droid handler?”
I'd guess it's because they don't quite want to have something "work" that well for you. They want YOU to do it. So you stay...and so you PAY.
When in doubt, follow the money.
Is there even such thing as a “Droid handler” in Star wars universe?
Yea....pretty much anyone that you saw near or controlling a droid. They all were, if you think about it. How many people "handled" Threepio? 8? 12?
MDE’s should have the ability to use a “super droid”, due to their complex knowledge of a Droid.
Yup...that's the way that part should be.
Everyone should be able to use any droid they want. As long as the droid is programmed that Your Its Master.
This should be the way it's done. I very much fear, and have almost well accepted, that this will not be the way we ever see droid operate in SWG. Not even close.
And that.....is pretty sad. I've heard of/from many that state that they bought the game believing that would be what they got from an experience building droids in SWG. /sigh
I believe that DE is a crafting profession, and it should stay that way.
Agreed. 1870%.Justa hybrid(but NOT one that hurts the non-combat/purecrafter folk). The idea is balance/compromise.
Certs appear to be a dead horse that just won't be accepted. Most anything I've heard them say so far tells me that this option is likely well off the table. If it weren't I'd wish they'd just talk to use and explain some of the issues why (and how we can help constructively put ideas into addressing them. They DO seem fond of asking us all that, don't they?).
I'm beginning to think that Drashk's option #1 (basically, making DEinto the DH/DM class) is the way to go.Theonly way that THIS would be possible would be to alter the profession in such a way that it neitherhurts/affectseither the 'pure', non-combat DEs or the 'sometimes-I'd-like-to-kill-stuff-on-my-own' crowd (i.e. DHs). This might also make it easier to scale down development of combat droids and focus on one or two utility module features or possibilities.
Why NOT just save all that development time and simply roll intoDE? Don'tadd one more. Just fixone that's wrong now.
Just let everyone use the droid they want, because even the Hero in KOTOR can use a super combat droid (HK47 i think his name was, “Die meat bags!!” ^_^ ). And Jedi’s have NO CERTS in ANYTHING in SWG, except light sabers.
Well...I'd have to agree. Droids are supposed to be an intergal part of Star Wars. Most of the clients I work with know next to nothing about them.
I think TH and SOE lost sight of making a game fun, and starting looking towards the “lets nerf everything in a fatal attempt to balance the game”.
Probably. We're facing a lot of past unfinished work with the CH fix, the Jedi revamp, etc. I'm only hoping that this particular 'hot' time in DE live history will be the time, the FIRST time, that we will get the attention that we've lacked since before launch.
Anything worth doing is worth doing right the first time.
Anything worth doing is worth doing right the first time.
/bow
Respectfully,