Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: Ok, let's start simple, what do people want? Poll enclosed.
I understand your view (I'm sure you know) and agree that combat droids would be a great addition.
However, the poll was about what people (DEs, I assume) "want".
Now, there's obviously a fundamental difference between what we want (for ourselves), what our clients might want (combat droids) and what is best for everyone involved.
This also comes down to:
- What do we "want"
- What are we likely to get (assuming we can get any one initiative worked one)
- What is it worthwhile to spend time addressing and discussing
Along those lines, I'd say decay wins out over combat droids. Both are important and would likely be welcomed by DEs.
Decay, IMO, equals a better long-term change for the DE profession.
Combat droids would likely equal a short-to-long term 'diversion' for some of the pet-using combat folk out there. However, I suspect that folks might try these out and move on and then we'd have a small, loyal combat droid market but no decay (still).
That would lead us right back to where we are now.
/bow
Respectfully,
You make a fatal flaw in your assumptions.
There was never a "deal", per se. There was a change of direction, sure. However, it's not like there was some kind of contract stating that combat droids would 180% be in the game in X amount of time.
As JustG is fond of pointing out.....
Things change (read: Combat Revamp/Upgrade, for example)
For now, nothing major will likely be in the cards for us, so this is all much ado about nothing.
I agree that what is good for droid users is good for us. However...I'm sure that droid users love having longer battery life and higher-use paint kits. And, I'm sure that many pilots really like the new change to droid program chips.
How'd those turn out for us?
If we are only focused on what's good for users, we will be digging a hole that will be hard for us to get out of...
/bow
Respectfully,
TheRealTK421 wrote:
Sodan,
You make a fatal flaw in your assumptions.
There was never a "deal", per se. There was a change of direction, sure. However, it's not like there was some kind of contract stating that combat droids would 180% be in the game in X amount of time.
As JustG is fond of pointing out.....
Things change (read: Combat Revamp/Upgrade, for example)
For now, nothing major will likely be in the cards for us, so this is all much ado about nothing.
I agree that what is good for droid users is good for us. However...I'm sure that droid users love having longer battery life and higher-use paint kits. And, I'm sure that many pilots really like the new change to droid program chips.
How'd those turn out for us?
If we are only focused on what's good for users, we will be digging a hole that will be hard for us to get out of...
Point taken, things change, but that doesn't alter the basic expectation in my mind that we agreed to push for utility and then combat droids. The DE communinity was decimated when combat droids were killed. I remember 8 and 9+ page threads. It's very different now. Those that remain are very dedicated, but we lost a lot.
The droid battery increase and droid paint job increase may have led to less sales of very inexpensive items, but they have decreased the frustration level for droid owners which makes our products more attractive. The one hour battery life is one of the things that drove people away, Im sure. It annoyed me and I was a DE. I never really made cash off paint jobs. it was a free service and a pain in the butt too: teaching people to /consent etc. These are improvements.
Nothing wrong with trying to take the pulse of the community, but this poll just doesn't quite get us there. Your efforts in finding consensus are admirable, though, and appreciated. I think polls are a good idea generally, even if I disgree with the result. They are always subject to "representation" issues, given the fraction of users who vote, but they are helpful nonetheless.
Straker_Atrella wrote:
Sodan, believe it or not, I agree with you. I want comabt droids as well. I just edited the "B" option to reflect that, leaving them out was not intentional. I considered them covered bu "B." Thank you for pointing out that it fell short. Even though I like C, I also want Comabt Droids and more versatility in chasis. Yet I think our Dev time we get is limited, so we need to focus.
I also agree that any change such as Droid decay, will also need to have an advantage to the customer.
The reason I made this poll was for us to find what our #1 want as DE's is. Once we know that, we can flesh out a proposal, that is good for us as well as the customers.
What we want most must first be established.
B is more glamorous and also a priority - I'm anxious to enter the Droid Handler discussions again, which will need a droid decay system in place anyway. But it's all just going to end the same until we get some form of simple decay.
AO
Message Edited by Straker_Atrella on 12-07-2004 05:49 PM
Straker_Atrella wrote:
Drashk, your right, they all fit together. You, I and the other people here could make one huge massive system that gives us every single one of the options here. If this was named Star Wars Droid Engineers, instead of Galaxies, we would probably get it. However it is not, there are a lot of other professions out there and a dire need for content to be added.
I never said that if we got C or any other option, we would never get B or something else. We may or could. In fact ifB and D were number one and two in order, then we could probably make a proposal that fit them all together.
However, the more complex that we try and make things, the less likely we will be to see them.
This is merely an attempt to find out what people think is our number one priority. That is a good place to focus on.
Straker,
I think you have been missing the point of the Project Droid Engineer series, like many others have been missing the point,
You are focusing on each discussion thread as if it was a 'This is what we want you to do' plan. They are not. The Project DE threads are geared towards discussing each topic. You are confusing the idea that these are bonified proposals to bring forth to the DEVS. Phase 1 is only an information gathering process. It is not meant to be a 'This is what we want and this is how we want it' process.
Time and time again, you have made comments that are incorrectly aimed or framed. None of what I have been suggesting is actually what I think is the best thing to do. You are taking each and every topic as if I have put my personal feelings behind what I think should be done. I have not.
Each and every single thread that I have created in the Project DE series have been set up in just the right way to promote discussion. I am looking at each topic in a similar light as the DEVs would look at it. Each topic has been shaped in such a way that it would bring about the hottest debate.
Each and every single time, I have done just this. This is what fuels the Project. By framing each topic in such a way, the Community has been able to explain what they feel about such a change and what we would like to see done instead.
We already know what is top priority. Its been listed as the Number 1 Issue in this forum for the past 2 months in the DE Issues thread and has been listed in each of the past DE Issues threads for at least the last 1/2 year. It has even been more recently brought up in the 'Getting to know you' thread.
I think that you are under the misconception that I am trying change this undeniable fact some how, when instead, the biggest reason behind the Project Droid Engineer series is to give the DEVs the best understanding of what the Community wants.