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Thread: Combat Droids Nerfed

Katosan
Tue May 03, 2005 11:40 am
#14

My droid was tanking a level 80 taskmaster yesterday... took a lot of hits and held aggro quite well... I had to taunt the guy to get him to kill me before my droid was bonkered.




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Straker_Atrella
Tue May 03, 2005 1:10 pm
#15

Jenden, I don't think that is true. Unless you have some information that I don't. I remember it being the way that you are saying beck in Beta and we talked about it on the CU forums, however a couple of weeks in, they changed it to where Pet levels don't actually change.


It was a balance thing, a CH could literally have 3 level 80 pets and a level 80 droid.


I think it's working the way they want it to right now, again, unless you have more information.



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Jenden
Tue May 03, 2005 1:29 pm
#16



Straker_Atrella wrote:
Jenden, I don't think that is true. Unless you have some information that I don't. I remember it being the way that you are saying beck in Beta and we talked about it on the CU forums, however a couple of weeks in, they changed it to where Pet levels don't actually change.
It was a balance thing, a CH could literally have 3 level 80 pets and a level 80 droid.
I think it's working the way they want it to right now, again, unless you have more information.




you may be right... been having something of an information overload the past couple days between all the CU stuff, RoW stuff, and RL stuff.



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RasalTheWise
Tue May 03, 2005 1:32 pm
#17

So this is the way I understood combat damage with the new level system (I'm getting confused here, so I want to be clear on this):

A CL18 probot by itself taking on a CL19+ creature takes multiplier damage, meaning the damage is increased by every level above the opponent is. When the droid is grouped with higher level players, it takes on that level (say, like level 50), so the multipliers change. Now the CL35 opponent's damage to the now CL50 probot gets reduced because it's effective level is now higher. In addition, the damage the probot delivers is also affected by the multipliers depending on the levels. So the probot tears apart the CL35.

So for example: A CL18 probot is grouped with a level 80 player. The player sends the probot against a CL80 opponent. The damage being dealt to the probot is still harsh, but not multipled, so its still going to wipe out the probot. Also, the damage the probot is dealing is not multiplied either, but chances are the CL80 opponent is well armored, so it will take some scratches from the showdown. This seems balanced to me.

Is that the way it works? If so, is that working right now?




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Straker_Atrella
Tue May 03, 2005 1:55 pm
#18

No Rasel, that isn't the way it is working now, nor is it how I think they want it working.


What you said is correct when you are talknig about people. If a person joins a group, they take on the "level" of the highest person in the group. Their damage dealt and received is then based upon their new level.


Pets don't change level. Yes the number may change, but all of the multipliers stay the same.


To clarify.


A level 18 Probot against a levle 20 Creature will still be levle 18 in or out of a group.


So why are we seeing funky stuff? Why are Droids and other pets able to tank stuff well over their level and dying to stuff under them? Well first, not everything is balanced yet, a levle 4 Durni (or some of them) are good examples, they fight way harder then they should. Second, healing and help goes a long way. A level 18 Droid can take say a level 25 if it has healing support, it just may take a while. Third, things are different, low level stuff isn't totally destroyed now. For example, it may still take 30 seconds for a level 80 to kill a level 50 critter.


This is how I believe things work now, I will test more tonight. If somebody has actual numbers or proof to prove otherwise please let me know. Remember, this isn't how things were when the CU first went on TC, it changed a couple of weeks in.



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Straker_Atrella
Tue May 03, 2005 2:36 pm
#19

Numbers


Ok, I just tested to verify that what I have been saying is correct. I am not saying this is how it is intended, but how it is actually working, although I do think this is the correct way.


I tested my Probot against level 14 mobs, he did exactly the same damage in and out of the group. The damage that he took was the same as well. Even thought his "number" changed from 18 to 1, no combat numbers changed. Regardless of grouped or not, his damage was 176, and damage received was 161.


So basically, grouping or not doesn't hurt your Droid, but if you want to raise your own CL, do it with a person not a Pet.





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RasalTheWise
Tue May 03, 2005 3:09 pm
#20

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.




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Reaperss
Tue May 03, 2005 3:11 pm
#21

pet levels have o effect on group level and don't change levels when groupd.



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MrTrag
Tue May 03, 2005 4:06 pm
#22

People have been reporting some strange behaviour in this thread. I have the stangest. My probot (pre-cu) one shot killed a level 56 canyon corsair last night. I just stood there and stared for a good 15 seconds. Could not repeat the occurance. Thing is the combat log said it only did 88 damage, but that corsair was dead as could be nonetheless.


Trag


RasalTheWise
Tue May 03, 2005 4:20 pm
#23


MrTrag wrote:

People have been reporting some strange behaviour in this thread. I have the stangest. My probot (pre-cu) one shot killed a level 56 canyon corsair last night. I just stood there and stared for a good 15 seconds. Could not repeat the occurance. Thing is the combat log said it only did 88 damage, but that corsair was dead as could be nonetheless.

Trag




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Straker_Atrella
Tue May 03, 2005 5:45 pm
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MrTrag wrote:

People have been reporting some strange behaviour in this thread. I have the stangest. My probot (pre-cu) one shot killed a level 56 canyon corsair last night. I just stood there and stared for a good 15 seconds. Could not repeat the occurance. Thing is the combat log said it only did 88 damage, but that corsair was dead as could be nonetheless.


Trag







Report such incidences in the focus thread about cons and creatures. It is such anomolies that they want reported.



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Straker_Atrella
Wed May 04, 2005 12:11 am
#25

Jenden, I'm sirry, but I don't think that is true. Yes the number next to the droid will change, but nothing else does. Damage dealt in and out of the group by and to the droid shouldn't change.


I have tested this and that is what I saw, and other CH's have as well. Pet level doesn't actually change, it just looks like it does.


It's a balance issue, otherwise a CH could pull out 3 level 20 pets, and group with all 3 and have 3 level 80 creatures.





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Jenden
Wed May 04, 2005 12:53 am
#26

Ok, I knew this was bugged, assumed from some of the posts in the thread that it had been fixed while I wasn't looking. They are supposed to (last I knew) have the level of your group, though they are not supposed to affect the group themselves.



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