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Thread: Question about survey droids...
Xero
Vevy wrote:
what's so odd about it?
Handsnake wrote:
Vevy wrote:
what's so odd about it?
hahahahahahahahaha
(wipes tears, looks at screen, looks at pricelist for 1.5 million credit suits of 2nd tier stun composite)
hahahahahahahahahaha
yes I'm aware that vertex is required in these droids...I did make myself a run of them...but what's your point exactly?
are you suggesting that the 1.5mil you paid for a stun suit of armor should somehow corrolate to a high priced survey droid because they both use vertex?
Vevy wrote:
ROFL not that I don't already know the answer to this one...but I'd like to hear your twisted justification anyway...what's your point? Let's hear how you compare a suit of stun armor to a generic survey droid... this outta be good.
Handsnake wrote:
Vevy wrote:
ROFL not that I don't already know the answer to this one...but I'd like to hear your twisted justification anyway...what's your point? Let's hear how you compare a suit of stun armor to a generic survey droid... this outta be good.
First, both stun armor and survey droids use vertex. You guys have been the main consumers of this stuff. Your wares are very highly priced due to your resource requirements, and the market's demand. That's great for you guys, I've never known a poor armorsmith who was able to make composite. (you have a ready market, your best stuff decays without anyone being surprised, and the demand is so high that you can price a set at 1 to 2 million - and I see you are a weaponsmith, so don't have me mention the price for a krayted geonosian pistol either)
The 'twisted justification' is that you guys forced up the price for vertex on all the servers to absolutely insane prices - and each survey droid takes 80 units of GOOD vertex for charges and/or speed.
Furthermore, as I indicated, you guys are not poor by any means, if you have been harvesting and making stun armor. 1.5 million for a good set is mid range.
For you to kick up a fuss about a 20k droid with 12 to 13 charges, it's ludicrous.
Vertex requirements + armorsmith complaining about a 20k droid that uses vertex = comedy
OK first off you're making a few unfounded assumptions there so let me set the record straight...we did not set the price of 80cpu for vertex. We're not the sellers, we're the buyers. I assure you if the stuff was available for 10cpu we would have paid that. If it's selling for 80cpu on your server it's because the SELLERS know they can gouge the market and THEY'RE the ones charging it. The smith has the choice to then buy it or not. Do you not see the irony in how you get upset in the price of vertex, but then use that very same arguement in reverse to justify your prices? You can't have it both ways.
Secondly, ANY vertex will do with these droids. UNLIKE armor, you can use grinding resources in these. Don't try to tell me differently because I made myself a run of 11 charge droids using em. If you're paying 80cpu for GOOD vertex, then you're crazy. These droids serve a generic purpose, the ONLY consideration is in the # of charges they have. The fastest survey droid that I've seen or heard of on my server was 20min...mine are 48 min. Unless you're going to get the droids so fast the survey is instantaneous, then a 28min difference is moot. Any crafter will waste that time without realizing it and the droid will have done it's job. So as far as the quality of the resources are concerned...you really only have to worry about the charges and even then a droid with 7-8 is still very useable. In the end these are disposable droids that will be used regardless of their quality.
thirdly, on my server, they're charging 20k for 48min droids with only 11 charges...and that's at the HIGH end. As I said I started this thread for other reasons and it's turned into a pricing debate...fine...but the issue is not 1k per charge, it's more like 2k per charge minimum.
...and all this is going on after vertex just spawned for a LONG time and people are sitting on 1mil units of it, yet they're still pricing it as if the stuff is golden
I have no problem with the previous poster charging 1k per charge on a server where vertex isn't around...but I DO take issue when vertex is plentiful and people think charging 2k per charge is justified because "...you armorsmiths have the money". That's just a foolish logic and THAT is the very reason the economy is the way it is.
There are also two fundamental differences that you're overlooking in your comparison...
1. Survey droids are a luxury, NOT a neccessity!
2. No Master Artisan can simply make a good suit of armor.
On my server, many of the DEs (not all of them), are alienating the very customers they should be trying to get. These survey droids ultimately serve one type of player, the crafters. Those are the players a DE should be catering too with these droids because those are the players that are gonna line your pockets with credits. Instead many DEs have adopted the "I'm too good to make you special orders" because that's what they've been hearing for months from the AS's and WS's. The problem is these DEs are forgetting the pecking order of the galaxy...and I don't mean to be condescending about that, but the economy is what it is. Until DEs get a viable combat droid that the power players can use and HAVE to come back for week after week, the DE will never be in as much demand as AS's or WS's.
The other side of that is if you end up pissing off enough of your high-end crafters, they're just gonna say screw you and make the droids themselves with resources they already have laying around the shop.
This is the main difference that many DEs are not recognizing...you should be catering to the power crafters so that it's more convenient for them to pay YOU to make the droids then it is for them to make em themselves. No DE can simply get mad and make their own armor and weapons, but ANY WS or AS with master artisan can make their own droids by simply purchasing one schem.
It took me 3 hrs to come to this realization on a server where vertex is plentiful...how long before other crafters on other servers figure this out too and all of a sudden master artisans are producing more survey droids than master DEs are? I'm not saying these droids are not a hot commodity, I'm saying you need to recognize howeasilyyou can be worked out of this businessand trying to adopt the normal attitude of "pay my prices or piss off" will not get you anywhere as it has with other profs.
...oh and I want to also clarify it's not about making a one-time purchase of 20k.
...it's about what we get for that 20k and is it worth spending every day of every week of every month...because that's what power crafters do, we survey every planet, EVERY day!
Vevy wrote:
There are also two fundamental differences that you're overlooking in your comparison...
1. Survey droids are a luxury, NOT a neccessity!
2. No Master Artisan can simply make a good suit of armor.
On my server, many of the DEs (not all of them), are alienating the very customers they should be trying to get. These survey droids ultimately serve one type of player, the crafters. Those are the players a DE should be catering too with these droids because those are the players that are gonna line your pockets with credits. Instead many DEs have adopted the "I'm too good to make you special orders" because that's what they've been hearing for months from the AS's and WS's. The problem is these DEs are forgetting the pecking order of the galaxy...and I don't mean to be condescending about that, but the economy is what it is. Until DEs get a viable combat droid that the power players can use and HAVE to come back for week after week, the DE will never be in as much demand as AS's or WS's.
The other side of that is if you end up pissing off enough of your high-end crafters, they're just gonna say screw you and make the droids themselves with resources they already have laying around the shop.
This is the main difference that many DEs are not recognizing...you should be catering to the power crafters so that it's more convenient for them to pay YOU to make the droids then it is for them to make em themselves. No DE can simply get mad and make their own armor and weapons, but ANY WS or AS with master artisan can make their own droids by simply purchasing one schem.
It took me 3 hrs to come to this realization on a server where vertex is plentiful...how long before other crafters on other servers figure this out too and all of a sudden master artisans are producing more survey droids than master DEs are? I'm not saying these droids are not a hot commodity, I'm saying you need to recognize howeasilyyou can be worked out of this businessand trying to adopt the normal attitude of "pay my prices or piss off" will not get you anywhere as it has with other profs.
Vevy wrote:
Secondly, ANY vertex will do with these droids. UNLIKE armor, you can use grinding resources in these. Don't try to tell me differently because I made myself a run of 11 charge droids using em. If you're paying 80cpu for GOOD vertex, then you're crazy. These droids serve a generic purpose, the ONLY consideration is in the # of charges they have. The fastest survey droid that I've seen or heard of on my server was 20min...mine are 48 min. Unless you're going to get the droids so fast the survey is instantaneous, then a 28min difference is moot. Any crafter will waste that time without realizing it and the droid will have done it's job. So as far as the quality of the resources are concerned...you really only have to worry about the charges and even then a droid with 7-8 is still very useable. In the end these are disposable droids that will be used regardless of their quality.
Wait, more hilariousness.
You claimed in your initial post that you were not a de. That is evident.
Point 1. WRONG
Vertex is needed to optimize the speed and/or charges. "ANY VERTEX" and "GRINDING RESOURCES" means that no, you didn't make one at all.
If you did (which you just claimed that you weren't a DE, so you didn't, unless you lied, which means that now you're lying as well) you would know that the resources do matter.
The rest of your post is more of the same storytelling.
Point 2. WRONG
Again illustrating you are lying through your egotistical teeth. SPEED of the reports matter, as I've optimized stacks for 6 charge, 20 minute report times which are PREFERRED by serious crafters on my server. You showed again that you're telling tales and lying and being hysterically funny.
Point 3. WRONG.
I refer to point 2. The savings on shift time on my server is critical. I have requests to further enhance speed, since shifts are tracked by resource moguls - who log in at 2am pacific JUST to get the jump. 20 to 30 minutes speed is far from being a trifling difference.
Nice to have had this conversation, Vevy. Too bad you're full of self importance - you're a funny person.
if you want to act like a pompous @ss you can argue with yourself because you clearly want to make this a personal issue and you have no clue how wrong you really are on so many levels.
you COMPLETELY and UTTERLY misunderstood everything I've said and your reply is actually even more ironic cause every one of your assumptions about me are wrong.
...I have no combat skills either "sunshine"...read my sig and remember I've already told you I'm a MA as well...so do the math and add up the # of sp I have left...don't hurt yourself
...I've never sold a single piece of stun armor for the very reasons you're admonishing me about. I actually agree with you about the pricing and that's why I've refused to make it. The difference is I feel I've risen above it by simply not participating while you've seemed to stoop to their level. I suppose that gives you the moral high-ground on this issue...hmmm?
...I've never bought vertex until it just spawned last week...so i've never contributed to the 80cpu craze...sorry to disappoint you
"And no rational DE would sell the schems to anyone, ever."
...wrong again, I found it INFINITELY easier to get a schem made than to find a DE who was willing or already had survey droids made...few DE'sare gonna turn down a healthy tip and it's far more wothwhile to tip the DE even 1mil credits for the schem than it would be to buy 10 crates of droids at 100k. Unfortunately money walks...and, well,you know the rest as you seem to be swimming in it