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Thread: fools...selling a finished product that requires 8k units of resources for 15k is 1.8cpu

R0ZM4N
Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:53 am
#14

Pallida don't be mean! Ignore him Jax he's just grumpy 'cos the bar isn't open yet


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Squygxicus
Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:37 am
#15

Well it depends on your economic philosophy. For the guys that like to just build droids all day and search out best materials, stock vendors and know all the ins and outs of the other professions, its worth it to ask the big bucks.


Hey if you can get itgood on ya. I like doing a little bit of everything. I go searching out named resourcesand stick a harvester or three on it, I try to level up myrifleman, I experiment on weaponpowerups, I accompany my guild on hunts, I got get faction points etc. I dont have the time to make sure my vendor is fully stocked onevery combo, so it gets pretty basic. Probots and LE's maxed for combat, Power droids with repair modules, and Im flooding the bazaar withfugitive tracker droids maxed out for combat, thats it.


Right now Im in a negative cash flow as I have a bunch of harvesters out on "droid" resources and Im waiting for the new modules. I have had no luck in selling droids to other people, they either want to buy maxed out LE's for combat for 8K or get buyers remorse when they buy something and think it should be better than it is. Right now 90% of my droids have been freebies to my guild mates. Or a fully tricked out R3 for a +1 droid experimentation tape!


I got into droid engy so I could build droids for myself and my buds, I didnt do it to be a capitalist. I sell stuff in RL, I dont wanna do that for recreation too!


/ramble off.
Kollos
Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:50 am
#16






Storex wrote:

Apparently, I'm one of those folk you think is a fool.


My resources cost me less than 1cpu to mine, and i sell my droids at about 2cpu... thats over 100% profit... Bill Gates would be proud !!.





You are a fool. Bill Gates would laugh at you.


Yes, you're making money. I doubt that you're actually making as much as you think you are, but yes you're making money. That's not the point.


The point is that you could make MORE money with LESS TIME AND EFFORT by simply selling the resources on the bazaar. You're currently making 2 CPU... but without needing to turn those resources into vehicles you could simply sell them for 3 CPU (or more depending on quality) on the bazaar. You'relosing at least 1 CPU on every sale becauseyou could have made more money for less effort. It's called opportunity cost, and if you knew anything about basic economics you'd understand it.


I doubt you have an 8-figure bank account from underselling vehicles for 2 CPU. You have other sources of income that make your real money, and because of that you don't actually realize how poor your vehicle business really is.



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BriaArtisan
Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:27 am
#17

Kollos you nailed it, you know your schematics


oh well, a week from today we get some new toys that will entertain me for a bit (and we'll see being undersold for 1cpu no doubt).





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Samath
Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:42 am
#18




After almost a year of being a master artisan/de and the enduring the relatively low demand for our products, to see people selling our products for LESS than 2cpu makes me sick. hell, you could just make it easy on yourself and sell the resources for 2cpu and come out ahead....but no you have to screw up the economy.


now I know why I get the occasional complaint tell about charging 5 cpu for *finished* product that required mastering a profession, gathering the resources, and the time to craft and/or do factory runs. hell if the time and effort isn't worth more than 2 or 3 cpu then why bother.


today's particular case had someone promoting items for 15k each. I look up the resources required and lo and behold, 8000 units total. That's 1.875 cpu you're selling for.It's these nimrods thatscrew upprices across the board. A new character with 0 skill boxes can sell the raw materials and make more per unit than a so called "elite" crafting profession? great setup.



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Auladan
Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:05 pm
#19

I suppose if I were sitting on an eight figure bank balance that I could afford to sell my droids for less than bazaar-priced resources, which for any finished product is rediculous, and although can fill your pockets, screws up the rest of the economy.

It'd take 1,000 droids (just try to picture that) sold at an average of 10,000 credits each to net a 10 million (eight figure) profit, assuming you spend 0 credits in their complete construction (i.e. using free resources and such, which of course nobody does).

Well, then again you, and others like you, are sitting on millions of credits. You can afford to screw the rest of us.

Don't take this as a flame, though. Just saying that I agree with the other posters and think that this kind of underselling is what is ruining the game.
R0ZM4N
Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:48 pm
#20

Quick! Quick! Hide the thread before Caix spots it!


I don't know how many times we've had this flaming rowdebate but here's what I've learned: Sell your shiny toys for a price that keeps your vendors busy but where you don't have to restock every day. I find you can charge happy customers a lot of money so long as you have well stocked vendors; 75k for Adv.R series; 60k for standards; 20k for a crate or arakyd's. I make money, I build droids, I've never had a complaint about the cost of my goods /blush but I have had a number of 'thank you's' from customers who came to me after searching 2 or 3 entire planets.


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IceTigger
Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:56 pm
#21

Boy, the flamethrower has been around the block on this one. Pricing or rather over pricing is one of the things that just twist me all the wrong way. Especially when finger pointing starts going everywhere.


I cannot find anything that a droid engineer can build that has close to 8k in resources. The closest is an advanced binary load lifter at about 3.6k in resources.


A swoop built by a master artisan is about 8k in resources and 15k price would probably net the seller about 11k in profit. That is based on the assumption that common resources like the ones used in a swoop can be harvested at less then 0.5 credits per unit, something I do routinely.

For several pieces of equipment including vehicles, weapons, armor, and buildings, the market is basically saturated. Supply is far in excess of demand resulting in many people cutting prices significantly trying to get sales. More then likely, the sales will be few and far between even at dirt bottom prices. Droids are expected to be an exception for a month or two following release 8, but the market will quickly saturate and prices should drop.


Oh, and 15k for a droid is a rip and I would never pay that much for even the most advanced combat droid. That’s just too much of my bank account to sink into something. But I guess I am part of the casual poor players that can not spend more then a few hours a week playing a game.
Harric
Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:22 am
#22

dantooine missions reveal even 25k per misson and so with 1 mission run u get in 50k and i see bunch of TKA solo such. somethings wrong here and obviously some above posters got no idea about economy.


2cpu for finished product is an imaginary win for you, with same stuff u can get more cash without work or fail risks lol


and for the 8k resource piece that means i am sure a swoop from master artisan, which btw requires high end steel and non ferous aka more expensive resources then grind ore.






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Ke_la
Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:37 am
#23

A swoop built by a master artisan is about 8k in resources and 15k price would probably net the seller about 11k in profit. That is based on the assumption that common resources like the ones used in a swoop can be harvested at less then 0.5 credits per unit, something I do routinely.






Yes but what we are saying is the Seller is selling the swoop a finnished product. For LESS then what you make selling resources. 8k units times 0.5 cost is 4k cost per unit that can be resold if it is bad stuff Easily for 3 CPU or 24k credits for 8k units at a profit of 20k almost double the profit and half the work. This is what is stupid, and this is where the Holo Grinders are killing the economy. Not in the price reductions but in the exponential INCRESS in the Reasouce cost. It used to be you needed good veryReasouces to make over 3 cpu. Now it is not uncomin to find grinding stock for that much and the good stuff for near 10cpu this is why most Crafters (that are not HoloGrinders) harvest there own reasouces. BTW I sell my Combate R3s at 30k +tax (5%) my vendor is in a city. and my R2 110+ med, 6Iteam Storage, Chem droid for 24k.






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ZeausStryder
Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:59 am
#24

if u build a quality product and let everybody interested in buying ur product wut u use and how u achieve great results, nobody will complain about your prices nor should u worry about wut other peeps sell there's for. people understand quality and those who can afford buy with few questions asked. i sell my combat droids for 90k (r3) and 70k(probot) and the rest of my droids between 35k and 70k. i have NEVER had one complaint about my pricing.


i took the time and effort to search for the highest quality mats, no expceptions and i took the time and spend the cash to get my droid experimentation +28 (yes i know it goes you 1 exp per 10 points of exp mods) i let my customers know this and they have no problem spending the credits for the prices i ask.


if you wanna be successful at de


1 ALWAYS keep a fully stocked vendor with a wide variety of droids for all purposes

2 answer every little question the customer has and do it with a smile, yes i get frustrated with some of the most basic questions about droids (i'm not gonna list em becuase you guys know wut they are) but happy customers tell their friends and those friends have money too.

3 don't worry about wut others are doing, you'll just stress yourself out charge wut you feel is fair be able to defend the pricing if need be. if you believe in wut u are selling and the customer has confidence in you there will be few questions asked, just happy peeps buying your droids.


from

a very successful de who desn't need to tell you how many "figures" are in his bank but can buy wutever he wants whenever he wants for wutever price <hmm maybe a slight brag there>



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JavelinCatcher
Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:45 pm
#25






IceTigger wrote:

Boy, the flamethrower has been around the block on this one. Pricing or rather over pricing is one of the things that just twist me all the wrong way. Especially when finger pointing starts going everywhere.


I cannot find anything that a droid engineer can build that has close to 8k in resources. The closest is an advanced binary load lifter at about 3.6k in resources.


A swoop built by a master artisan is about 8k in resources and 15k price would probably net the seller about 11k in profit. That is based on the assumption that common resources like the ones used in a swoop can be harvested at less then 0.5 credits per unit, something I do routinely.

For several pieces of equipment including vehicles, weapons, armor, and buildings, the market is basically saturated. Supply is far in excess of demand resulting in many people cutting prices significantly trying to get sales. More then likely, the sales will be few and far between even at dirt bottom prices. Droids are expected to be an exception for a month or two following release 8, but the market will quickly saturate and prices should drop.


Oh, and 15k for a droid is a rip and I would never pay that much for even the most advanced combat droid. That’s just too much of my bank account to sink into something. But I guess I am part of the casual poor players that can not spend more then a few hours a week playing a game.






You do realize 15k can be made ina single set of missions on Dantooine right?



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Straker_Atrella
Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:17 pm
#26

While I agree that selling stuff cheaper then what you could get for the resources doesn't make much sense whatsoever. The only exception I can think of is if you had a lot of a product and were doing a clearance sale because you needed cash. While this would hurt other sellers, it would help you recoup the cost of the 30 Swoops you have sitting on your vendor. Doing it as a common practice makes zero sense finiancially.


Many Droids that I make are for my guild for free, so I havn't really sold any yet. However, when I do, I definitly want to be fair. What is considred "acceptable" pricing.



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