Droid Engineer Archive

Has anyone considered that without armor?what is the armor module line good for?Why even waste the time or money to pursue the line? This is the worst nerf I have ever seen.Our trade was broken since Beta and no attenttion has been given to it.Now they nerf the probots,make the armor line useless and kill our profession all together.NICE JOB DEV's.

first, the reason of the nerf is understandable, I've somewhat figured out the exploit but never had time to do it (I only have to sample 20 hrs a day) but

1, how much do you think a probot is going to worth now? no armor, less attack, 800ish HAM? and it dies

I say 3000 credits, how much time do you think it's going to take to gather the resource to make one probot? I don't know, but I'll tell you what, if I have to get all those junk to make a probot and sell it for 3000, I'd rather do missions to make money.

2, a droid shoud not be perma death, they are not organic beings, a animal pets can die, but a droid should be repairable.

WHAT !

Holo posted a reply that said this

Praden wrote:

I never really thought the probots where THAT powerful. I still had to avoid a LOT of creatures. The droids certainly aren't all powerful or anything.

Holo's reply

You must not know how to 'sploit them thoroughly. You can kill ANYTHING in the game with a single probe droid, if you know the right tricks.

-Raph Koster,

Creative Director

The fix the stinkin exploit. do not nerf the robot because it can be exploited. I have never used my robot in a way that made it able to kill huge things. so you are gonna nurf me for something that can be exploited ( even thought i have no clue how) so that now it is of much less use to me. And you expect me not to be frustraded and angry? And for gods sake put notes in the launcher about this kind of stuff. I read the forums every day and yet i ddint see this nerf before i got my robot killed. Dont be stupid like the other game devs (anarchy online comes to mind) show us that you listen and care about the players not just the money.

Probots are not easily made, per se. I am not sure of the other crafting professions, but probots take:

Two control units

One GP Module

Master Sensor Suite

These are from the master artisan line of crafting. Not a big deal, except that a Polymere is needed.

From the Engineering line

Droid Sensor

Droid Brain

Advanced Droid Motive System

Manipulator Arm Package

Now, consider that the Droid brain requires specific ore and that the extrusive ore from the frame and the arm package cannot be found on most planets. Then there is the copper and the inert gas, which is needed. Anyways, the problem in looking at this is that there is no easy way to produce a probot in a factory considering that there are so many individual parts. I could, say, mass produce control units which would probably be beat BUT I would NOT be getting droid experience. After that, there's not much more to produce in a factory, really. The probot in a factory is a pain, trust me, unless you have a zillion of the same resources and you have grinded out 50 control units (for 25 probots). So, for the time being, I think it's more effective to craft everything by hand.

Now, let's consider extrusive ore. I think it takes 120 extrusive ore to make a probot. Considering that 500 extrusive ore (bad Tat quality, too) sells for 3000, I think the problem becomes clear. Alright. So, I go mine it. So now I need to pay for shuttle trips back and forth from my extrusive source. If I am on Corellia, that is 1500 a trip. So, basically, I'm not even covering the cost of a probot at 3k. I mean, why should I makeprobots for 3k when I can make, hrm, other droids for a bit more than that, and at less hassle?

Now, I agree that probots were a bit too powerful (though I was annoyed when creature handlers were selling pets that did 600 damage, average). But, the problem is that there is no cash alternative for droid engineers. Why? Because if people were smart, they would buy advanced mouse droids with all their moduels. I mean, who is going to pay the price for an R3 when its nearly the same as an R4 advanced? Or even a mouse bot advanced? Big deal. It has a transparent top. On non-RP servers, that doesn't make a difference.

Again, it's fine that probots have been reduced but there really is no market for any of the higher end droid engineers skills. I am not a master yet (because I don't grind, in general, and prefer to make credits) and I can already produce a top quality droid that is comparable to a master.

Hey I love this Holocron. Thanks man. I just hope you hit the CH with a bigger nerf hammer. I have been busting my rump trying to get nerfs on pets and finally you got it.

I am a DE and I am happy this nerf happened. Oh what now people cant charge 20K+ for a probot? Eh bunch of greedy people. Cant sell other droids? I dont have this problem. Maybe its because IDONT CHARGE 1000 CREDITS FOR A MSE DROID. Try lowering your costs a bit guys. Geez. I sell MSE and R5s all the time cause I sell em a bit cheaper then you guys. 200 credits for a MSE and 300 for a R5.

68 resources to make a MSE and I see you guys post em on bazaars for 1000+ creds each. My lord guys. What is wrong with you? Of course no one buys them. But for me that is great. I make a ton because they all come to me. In fact I just sold 12 MSE and R5s today before Kauri crashed. Not bad for me since the overhead was less then a few 100.

Since I started DE I have sold so many droids it was crazy. All because I dont try to gouge the public.

Now the probot is weaker. Fine with me. Now people will come back to get new ones from me because I wont charge 20k for them. I can charge 5K for them and still come out shining. So the rest of you go on and leave the profession. Be more creds for me.

Thanks again Holo.

PB32

Nerf'd

Here is the hand of doom laid out by the all mighty devs who have the answers. I'm not convinced that statment is true. However its a nice attention grabber But you make changes when other systems, more important systems need to be addressed. Other droids need your attention, I'm sure you know this.

You have stated that you are looking for solutions to making this class better. I also understand that your convictions to stay true with the continuity of the films and expanded universe. If your commitment is so strong to stay with the continuity of the films then why is a farm boy (luke) capable of having two droids while someone who is much more skilled in making droids limited to commanding only one droid at a time? This seems tosuffocate the truth is which youso honorable persue. Its false the way you have it and you know it.

DE's should have the ability of commanding more that one droid at a time. Without it makes the class now worthless.

I hope you find a sloution that most will approve of.

Cyrin ~ Chilistra

Well atleast I have 350k credits and some nice gear to my name before this took effect.

I guess I'll be a pistolier now or something.

You charge 200 for an MSE droid? Are you on crack?

It takes 73 of mixed resources alone to make it. I have trouble selling them for 400 or 480 with the med module (that was before I realized it was useless). That's not a lot considering that you're lucky if you can get resources for 3x on the bazaar. Usually it's 6-10x. I need SOME profit to maintain harvesters and cover my a*s a little if I crit fail.

This nerf is a horrible idea. I haven't logged in since last week because of it and I started playing a new game instead- it's called RL. In it, I got to fish and didn't catch much, but at least the rules didn't get changed on me midday. My boyfriend and I went sailing, and the wind didn't blow as we would have liked, but at least it's effect was predictable, not like the random, mindless changes that SOE keeps visiting on us. I mean, come on; CH's pets are3x more powerfulthan a beasty melee guy and the ONLY droid in the entire FREAKING broken class that's worth anything reasonable and worked decently is stuck with 800 health and no armor?

I can't even MAKE probots yet either, so I am not a powerleveler. Iwas getting lots of tells but people are wary of buying med droids, etc when they realize that you CAN'T take them out anywhere (which I didn't realize initially- can you say doesn't work as advertized?), the datapad is nerfed, etc. So I sold a few here and there in between getting the **edit** extrusive ore and 4 gas and whatever else it took (but wasn't worth setting a harvester up for). I didn't ROLL in it. I wanted to be either an architect or a DE and the thought of making droids was just fascinating and unique to the game. I can't in good conscience sell something really broken and you know, Holo, we need credits to tend to SWG life, notjust the dismissive "it's adventure and experience" reasoning that you used to excuse this mess of a profession. We're in it for the glamour, baby and will live by panhandling. Not.

If droids in the Star Wars saga worked like they work on SWG, the Empire would have won. R2D2 wouldn't have had the power or tools to repair Luke's X-wing, C-3PO instead of being annoying but observant and quick witted would have just been annoying, and the garbage masher in Episode 4 wouldhave made a Wookie-Luke-Leia-Solo sandwich because R2's manipulator arm wouldn't have done anything.

You guys should get a plan together, TEST IT for goodness sake, and fix these balance issues. Pay for our second month and wipe everything, so we all start from scratch with the game balanced. Right now there's no real way to fix things so everyone levels relatively well with other professions and you guys are panicing and flailing around with these fixes. Probots are killer, well, they should be. That's not the problem, the problem is the OTHER game stuff, like there are no good lower level combat droids, anyone can get a probot with enough cash, they insta-healed, etc. It's been said a dozen times before, Probots should need to be fixed by a DE for severe damage, patched with a repair kit; they should degrade some; a probot shouldn't be able to go into combat mode in a camp; make specific BH droids if you want to somewhat weaken the normal probots, make the droids not easily re-deployable as someone suggested (with a timer). Fix the XP issue where people with probots and beasts get to share XP on a kill even if they scratch the creature, it should scale on damage and pet involvement, etc.

The problem with the great suggestions everyone has is that they require time and planning to implement. It's obvious, as I mentioned in passing, that SOE is panicking because people are levelling too fast. Well it's their own fault, they knew a lot of this going in to release and yet because of their lack of foresight they decided to not fix a lot of stuff, hoping I guess, people wouldn't level so quickly and expose a lot of these glaring holes.

A LOT of the problem would be solved if they just dealt with decay and damage; damage to a creature/droid requires that specialist, Chiten (sp?) armor when damaged needs an armoursmith, houses degrade and need a professional architect periodically. This would slow everything down and the beauty of it is that it's not an artifical cap, it mimics life. Things need repair, most people can't put newbrakes on their own car orrepair earthquake damage to a house.You also should have instituted restrictions on ALL high items; only people working on the Elite tree could own med houses, for example, large houses are for people just shy of Master Elite profession, wider variety of droids at all levels so there isn't a mad rush to make probots the only useful and profitable droid when you get down to it. This also mimics life; most 18 year olds can't afford and don't own mansions.

SOE, you should ADMIT you released too early. We all know it, it must be a burden on your chest, just admit it. It would make a LOT of people happy to hear you own up to it. It takes a 'big person' to admit they are wrong which is why I think an admission won't be forthcoming soon. So far you'e just done the easy thing and nerf now respond to questions later. One has to ask, with all the general bugs still in the game, how high of a priority will the cert system or DE profession fixing get? It's fine to say this is all temporary but how long is temporary? Six months?

Galatea (Gorath)

Novice Droid Engineer

Holo,

You guys forgot the fact that some people buy droids because they look cool. This is an exploit from the loose definition. So, we need to make them stick figures so the remaining 2% of our customers who buy them for the pixel crack will dissapear also. IfI could get into my server right now and go pay the rediculous late fee on them that has expiredduringthe downtime, I would finaly get to enjoy the game without all those annoying customers asking me to buy droids. You are almost to the single player online game I have always been looking for!!! Just a few more fixes to go

OMFG!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH YOU!!

800 LIFE???? IT WILL DIE IN 1 HIT. OMG YOU GUYS SUCK AT HELPING US DE.

2000 LIFE ILL BE HAPPY, ANY LOWER YOU GUYS NEED TO HIRE NEW PEOPLE.

Wonderful, another reason to not waste any more time or money on this game.

This is much more than a 70% reduction. The HAM bar changes by THEMSELVES would be a 70% reduction. (IE. 3500 HAM to start, 1000 HAM now). Add in no armor, crappy weapons, and permadeath and I have to say you've removed ANY usefullness. I will never understand why SOE can't make these changes more gradually. They should have tried to see if they could make them less powerfull without totally gimping them. Any of you DE's that think people will buy multiple probots now at a lower cost are delusional. If the damned things die after one hit then there is no reason to have one, or one hundred.

I don't think holo has ever played this game. I don't think holo realizes that people like to be able to actually have a chance of taking one of those faction missions that he so thoughtfully took all profit out of. As for this being temporary I don't believe that for a second. SOE doesn't really have a good track record on that. If this whole nerf-everything-with-a-giant-bulldozer attitude from the devs doesn't end there will be a lot less of us here complaining because we'll have moved on to a game that works. Not that it matters anyways, Holo has already said in numerous threads that they only listen to the phone calls to CSR anyways. All of us on the forums are just powergamers and don't matter.

Is anyone else getting real tired of being called an exploiter???

Why is it that Holo comes in here and calls people cheaters?

It's probably so that when I come in here and say that the devs are idiots, he can tell himself that it's just one of those powergamers upset at being nerfed.

Seriously, all the cool things I wanted to do in this game are gone:

1) Fight alongside with/agains stormtroopers and such in the GCW: This one was the first to go, with the permadeath to faciton pets. They said they were going to lower the faction costs to offset and surprise, that never happened. Why would ANYONE spend the huge amount of time needed to gain one of these pets for several minutes of combat.

2) Maskscent: Instead of removing/lowering the XP gains in maskscent you simply make it unuseable. Scouts are worthless. When the idea of removing/lowering XP was brought up holo said he had never thought of that. If this is the case then there really isn't much thought going into these things at all. Here we are weeks later and Maskscent is still useless.

3) Droids: There isn't a useful one in the lot. The data droid was cool when it stored missions, but then Holo so kindly pointed out that we were all cheating. "...sploit, sploit sploit" It's a data droid for god's sakes, it can't store mission data???

3) Droids: To further make droids useless the only good droid is taken and made useless. Can anyone explain to me why the treadwell droid even exists? It is useless as a combat droid. Honestly, with no datapad healing/the droid repair kits actually working probots would be far from overpowerful.I mean you could even throw permadeath in so that if a user was careless enough to get the droid in a fight it couldn't handle that htey would need a new one. Instead you simply made them useless along with the above changes.

I waited for this game for years.I shouldn't have wasted the time.

I should've stayed with shadowbane, I was an idiot to think that SOE could do any justice to anything.

I am starting to dislike Holo and the devs. They are arrogant and they do not care about user input. Not a single one of them can admit when they make a mistake. They have not learned to proceed with caution when it comes to completely removing an items functionality.

The opening message in this thread from holo was a joke: They claim to want to hear our input, but don't. He actually had the nerve to list those two worthless droid engineer fixes for the next patch. Does anyone care about those? Is there anyone who is saying "Gee now I can DRAG an item onto my droid to store it!!!"

I've realized that all these devs are doing is trying to make absolutely miserable in this game, instead of making things better they take anything that works and suck the fun out of it to make it as un-fun as everything else.

Things need to change fast in communication with the player-base.

I hear a lot of clicks to the "cancel account" button coming...

And now the forum puts me up as someone else... wonderful

Also, did anyone else have the impression that a correspondent was supposed to correspond???

I guess the corresspondent got nerfed too.

Or maybe that just never worked.

Thanks

CLAP CLAP , i am really pissed to