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Thread: Droid Focus (Interplanetary Survey): Information, discussion and bug-reporting (04/23/04)

Javac
Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:27 am
#157

Kollos, I agree but many people will still find em useful (just not as much). So far it seems that they're going to be used mainly as an idicator for when resources have vanished and the harvesters need to be picked up, and for checking the planets that aren't reported in SWGcraft much.

Personally, I think having a 'Survey Droid' to get the overall picture of remote planets would be ideal if there was a 'Sampling Droid' as well. Send a Survey Droid out and get the report of what named resources are available, then send a Sampling Droid out to get the specific stats of a named resource (type in the name you got from the survey email).



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Jenden
Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:42 am
#158






SpaceCobra wrote:

Make these droids more worth it by giving them charges or having them return more information like stats on resources or more possible categories of resources.


Just my thoughts.






They can have up to 15 charges currently (I think its 15, with 80% experimentation I got 12)



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JansosHosphe
Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:57 am
#159






Javac wrote:
Kollos, I agree but many people will still find em useful (just not as much). So far it seems that they're going to be used mainly as an idicator for when resources have vanished and the harvesters need to be picked up, and for checking the planets that aren't reported in SWGcraft much.

Personally, I think having a 'Survey Droid' to get the overall picture of remote planets would be ideal if there was a 'Sampling Droid' as well. Send a Survey Droid out and get the report of what named resources are available, then send a Sampling Droid out to get the specific stats of a named resource (type in the name you got from the survey email).





Yah, having a sample droid would be nice. I think the reason we didn't get one was because it would be too easy then for one person to sample, and forward his results to everyone he knows who is interrested.


I think providing us with a list by email was a large concession, because email can be forwarded infinitely.Now the crafting communityreally only needs one of these droids FOR THE WHOLE SERVER per planet once a week... thenthe person who sent itforwards the resulting email to his buddies, andthey forward it to their buddies, and so on, until every crafter has it.


They could havemade it a datapad item. Then you could pass it to another player, but by doing so you would lose it.


Maybe we could get them to do something like that for a sampling droid. Don't return an email, return a datapad item that shows the resource stats when examined, but can't be emailed... Make it act like a pet in your datapad. You can trade it, but then you don't have it anymore.


What do y'all think?



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Envoy3113
Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:16 am
#160

To add on to the sampling droid. Why not make it a multiple charge droid, which simply brings back a sample stored in it's compartment. When it is done doing it's job, call it and pull the 1 unit sample out of stowage and thats all she wrote.



Although, it would be tough to make it consumable, it's decay rate would need to be based off number of calls. Or make it take wounds everytime it goes out, the last run incapping it. Thus you could either have it repaired by a DE or destroy it and call another.





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Kollos
Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:14 am
#161






AudioOrgana wrote:






Kollos wrote:

Folks, it's not a cost issue. It is a usefulness issue.


A list of resources without stats just isn't that useful. Yes, there are corner cases where you can come up with uses for the droid - finding a new rare that just spawned and checking to see if the resource you're harvesting on some other planet still exists are two of them. But are those really sufficient to give this droid a decent market?




It's not either independently, it's both together - cost vs. usefulness.


The game is never going to send you stats, because gathering those statistics is one of the few gates in crafting.


Like most of these other DE enhancements, it's for some people, and not for others. Personally, I will find it useful to check to see if resources have shifted on a certain planet, or if X rare resource is available.


You said you don't care about a Durraloy spwan if it isn't any good - well, as a DE I personally don't understand that (since quality matters only on combat modules) - regardless, I'm on a server that hasn't seen a spawn of it in four months. You can bet your bottom dollar that having just the name of that resource on a planet would be gold.







Good points, Audio, and ones that I understand. I have tried to revise my statements over the last few days to stop saying "useless" because these droids clearly aren't useless, but sometimes I still overstate my case. My concern is that they aren't useful enough to generate a reasonable market.


There's some background missing as to why I don't care about a Duralloy spawn... it's because I have something like half a million units of it with combined Cond+OQ over 1600, and another half a million units between 1400 and 1600. I just don't need any more Duralloy of lesser quality, because it has been spawning on Ahazi regularly enough that I have never need to tap into my "good" stuff. You are 100% correct that I would be more interested in it if I had a need... such as our new requirements for Tolium or Vertex. Duralloy has been so common on Ahazi that I don't think of it as rare at all.



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DeQuosaek
Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:50 am
#162








Dsabre wrote:



Jenden wrote:
how many professions really survey 4 categories? DE/WS/AS/architect need what, 2 at most? (chemical and mineral). Even then, for the most part the chemicals aren't specific (or if they are, its something like dantooine fiberplast, which you know is most likely on dantooine). Anyone who needs organics has the same deal as the chemicals, most of them are planet specific. While I can see it being nice for some large miners, even then a lot of the ones I know tend to focus on one type of resources.



chefs do...

flora (obvious, high quality stuff needed for almost everything)
water (thakitilo)
gas - hurlotrombic, hydron 3, methanganen...all inert gas subtypes (tilla til)
chem - lubricating oil (vercuppti)
mineral - neutronium steel/radioactives (elshandruu pica thundercloud)

and those are the high quality stuff...theres a bunch of other stuff like animal resources, and various types that only need grind quality, so those don't really need much surveying effort.

but my point is...there is at least 1 profession that directly needs all 5 types of harvestable resources.





So do Combat Medics and Doctors. We use 5 types of resources in any good poison, disease, or stimpack/ wound pack.


Mineral, Chemical, Flora, Gas, Water



Wait... make that 6 types of resources. We also need Meat.

Message Edited by DeQuosaek on 04-23-2004 11:56 AM




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Vorg
Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:06 pm
#163



>>It will generate (and send you) an emailed list of resources on a selected planet (no stats or concentration, just a straight list).


This is totaly WORTHLESS. You still have to go to the planet to find out the specs of the resource and you still have to run all over the damn planet to find out where to put harevstors. This is NOT a survey droid, its a soil sample droid and a piss poor one at that given it can tell you the name but not the properties of the resources it finds.


When you survey for somthing you create a map of it.
Jenden
Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:15 pm
#164






Vorg wrote:


>>It will generate (and send you) an emailed list of resources on a selected planet (no stats or concentration, just a straight list).


This is totaly WORTHLESS. You still have to go to the planet to find out the specs of the resource and you still have to run all over the damn planet to find out where to put harevstors. This is NOT a survey droid, its a soil sample droid and a piss poor one at that given it can tell you the name but not the properties of the resources it finds.


When you survey for somthing you create a map of it.






worthless for you maybe, priceless for me and quite a few people I know. Stats would be nice, but they wouldn't really make this droid any more usefull for me. I'll use it to find rare resources that I need, and I really don't care what the stats are on them (just need some).



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Sunfire1
Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:05 pm
#165

Exactly Jenden. What do I care what the stats are if I really need the resouce? While I admit it would be nice to know the stats, Its WAY more important to know that a resource you need is actually spawned. And where it is spawned.


In the past, the only way I had to check on resources, besides wasting 35k cash to leave Talus and visit every other planet, was to go to the bazaar and look through all the resources for sale in the galaxy. If I saw one i needed, I noted where it was for sale, then headed to that planet to set up a harvester for myself.


The problem with that method is you dont know what is out there until it is put up for sale, by then you may have missed days of mining that resource.


So I cant wait for these new droids, they will save me tens of thousands of credits in travel costs, and hours of travel and bazaar browsing time.


Storex
Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:14 pm
#166

I've already taken a couple of orders for these, and the guys wanting them know full well what they do.



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Redskuller
Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:24 pm
#167






Storex wrote:

I've already taken a couple of orders for these, and the guys wanting them know full well what they do.






what price did you get for them? Personally I'd LIKE to charge 750-1k per charge.



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TheRealTK421
Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:54 pm
#168






Jenden wrote:


I'll use it to find rare resources that I need, and I really don't care what the stats are on them (just need some).




Exactly...

People will be using this track or watch for rares a lot. I expect I'll be using them periodically to check on whether a resource I'm harvesting (with a structure) is still there so I know when to go pick up my harv.


In that regard, if an average 'crafter'/businessman does any of his own mining, these will be quite useful...but not in GIANT quantities.


I still expect that I'll crate up 100 or so as soon as I can. With charges being place, this will last for some time, indeed.



/bow

Respectfully,




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Elmseeker
Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:13 am
#169

For all of you who think they are useless....



I've already take orders for almost 1000 charges worth of these things at 500 credits per charge...do the math folks...well...unless you happen to think mathematics and calculators are useless as well...rofl



/emote counts his money as he walks away laughing at fools who won't be making any cus they think 90% of the new droids are useless.....



This isn't the only droid i have order for either, I have over 5mil credits worth of orders lined up so....Muahahahahahahahahahahahaha



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