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Thread: Droid Report (Publish 7): CL13 is correct, valid and normal
Thunderheart let something slip that I hadn't gotten the official head's up to release.
So, understand...
/bow
Respectfully,
TheRealTK421 wrote:
Heya, all...
Thunderheart let something slip that I hadn't gotten the official head's up to release.
The fact that our combat droids are reporting as CL13 is, in fact, valid, correct and normal.
This change was performed due to balance problems with having 2 CL10 pets called. The Devs decided that it would be fair to bump our max. CL a bit to give us a balanced edge with the BE pet market.
So, understand...
No players will be able to call a CL10 creature with one of our (CL13) combat droids.
This is by design (and apparently didn't make the patch notes).
/bow
Respectfully,
Khalaermol wrote:
And they knew this before or after the "you can call a droid with your pet" was announced?
TheRealTK421 wrote:
Heya, all...
Thunderheart let something slip that I hadn't gotten the official head's up to release.
The fact that our combat droids are reporting as CL13 is, in fact, valid, correct and normal.
This change was performed due to balance problems with having 2 CL10 pets called. The Devs decided that it would be fair to bump our max. CL a bit to give us a balanced edge with the BE pet market.
So, understand...
No players will be able to call a CL10 creature with one of our (CL13) combat droids.
This is by design (and apparently didn't make the patch notes).
/bow
Respectfully,
Tk
Respectfully, this is complete BS
1. It hurts badly our droid sales, every player knows he needs a BE CL10 Tank, so no room for droids.
2. I am NOT convinced that the nerfed armour plus a little extra damage even = CL10, never mind 13
3. (emotional) What actual good has this 'loving focus' done us really? Stims are so complex and expensive that nobody, but Nobody, will choose our droids over a CL10 (so called) BE pet.
Please go to the devs and explain reality to them, because what I'm seeing is a Dev belief that all is well, and it is not.
Thankyou
Message Edited by Shian_Tavkin on 03-23-2004 08:17 PM
I really don't know what to think anymore...
Having a CL 10 pet and CL 10 droid out at the same time would have been more appealing to many, including myself, than having a CL 13 droid that is still severely inferior to the BE CL 10 pets out there.
/sigh
/bow
Shian_Tavkin wrote:
Tk
Respectfully, this is complete BS
1. It hurts badly our droid sales, every player knows he needs a BE CL10 Tank, so no room for droids.
After the BE pets are 'leveled' down to us, this will be less of an issue, since we will be on a more level playing field. The did decide to leave the numbers at CL13, which is good.
2. I am NOT convinced that the nerfed armour plus a little extra damage even = CL10, never mind 13
I haven't run numbers on this and suspect I won't get a chance. What we will need to do is keep an eye on if the CL13 ends up being too much or too little. But, remember, these are supposed to be low-level pets analagous to CL10 BE pets. If they both stack up to each other, in relation to PvE, then we will probably remain unchanged. Sure...a bit of tweaking might happen but there has to be more of that much vaunted Dev metrics gathered first.
3. (emotional) What actual good has this 'loving focus' done us really? Stims are so complex and expensive that nobody, but Nobody, will choose our droids over a CL10 (so called) BE pet.
/shrug I have a ton of sales and leads both. Remember that they intended publish 7 to be the first of two sort of related publishes. I think it will be important to see how this plays out for awhile longer (but I'll keep doing research on the forums).
Please go to the devs and explain reality to them, because what I'm seeing is a Dev belief that all is well, and it is not.
Is it really so bad as we think? We need to keep that in mind. It's been pretty fast for this change. I've intended to put up a poll to see what's what...I think I'll go do that right now.
Thankyou
Message Edited by Shian_Tavkin on 03-23-2004 08:17 PM
Respectfully,
TheRealTK421 wrote:
Shian_Tavkin wrote:
Tk
Respectfully, this is complete BS
1. It hurts badly our droid sales, every player knows he needs a BE CL10 Tank, so no room for droids.
After the BE pets are 'leveled' down to us, this will be less of an issue, since we will be on a more level playing field. The did decide to leave the numbers at CL13, which is good.
TK, even after BE pets get "adjusted" to correctly be CL 10, that doesn't take away from them the fact that they can be buffed by docs, and with food, to the tune of 3k-5k to each stat. I'd take a 4k-6k HAM Gurrcat over a 1100 HAM Probot any day, unless they give us the armor back....
Naufragus wrote:
did they just simply change the NUMBER or did the droid change is well
They simply change the numbers about on droid HAM, etc. to make it max at CL13 instead of CL10. The droid's no 'different', per se.
/bow
Respectfully,
duncje wrote:
TheRealTK421 wrote:
Shian_Tavkin wrote:
Tk
Respectfully, this is complete BS
1. It hurts badly our droid sales, every player knows he needs a BE CL10 Tank, so no room for droids.
After the BE pets are 'leveled' down to us, this will be less of an issue, since we will be on a more level playing field. The did decide to leave the numbers at CL13, which is good.
TK, even after BE pets get "adjusted" to correctly be CL 10, that doesn't take away from them the fact that they can be buffed by docs, and with food, to the tune of 3k-5k to each stat. I'd take a 4k-6k HAM Gurrcat over a 1100 HAM Probot any day, unless they give us the armor back....
JavelinCatcher wrote:
Again with the buffing issue....can we get this looked at so we can get a equivalent? Seriously, a ARMOR power-up for droids would give them quite a uniqe differentiation from BE pets.
Yea...I have this on the table. Haven't heard much back. /shrug
/bow
Respectfully,
TheRealTK421 wrote:
/bow
Shian_Tavkin wrote:
Tk
Respectfully, this is complete BS
1. It hurts badly our droid sales, every player knows he needs a BE CL10 Tank, so no room for droids.
After the BE pets are 'leveled' down to us, this will be less of an issue, since we will be on a more level playing field. The did decide to leave the numbers at CL13, which is good.
2. I am NOT convinced that the nerfed armour plus a little extra damage even = CL10, never mind 13
I haven't run numbers on this and suspect I won't get a chance. What we will need to do is keep an eye on if the CL13 ends up being too much or too little. But, remember, these are supposed to be low-level pets analagous to CL10 BE pets. If they both stack up to each other, in relation to PvE, then we will probably remain unchanged. Sure...a bit of tweaking might happen but there has to be more of that much vaunted Dev metrics gathered first.
3. (emotional) What actual good has this 'loving focus' done us really? Stims are so complex and expensive that nobody, but Nobody, will choose our droids over a CL10 (so called) BE pet.
/shrug I have a ton of sales and leads both. Remember that they intended publish 7 to be the first of two sort of related publishes. I think it will be important to see how this plays out for awhile longer (but I'll keep doing research on the forums).
Please go to the devs and explain reality to them, because what I'm seeing is a Dev belief that all is well, and it is not.
Is it really so bad as we think? We need to keep that in mind. It's been pretty fast for this change. I've intended to put up a poll to see what's what...I think I'll go do that right now.
Thankyou
Message Edited by Shian_Tavkin on 03-23-2004 08:17 PM
Respectfully,
TK for heavens sake face reality:
Your First Point - yes the Devs have siad BE will be amended 'at some point in the future'..and we all know that means ages will pass...meantime YOUR community is sufferening from the imbalance-so do something please.
Your Second Point - Go actually play one, look at the combat spam, and dare to come back to me saying they are equal. We have been over-nerfed whichever way you look at it. I really don't like to discuss this further with you until you know for yourself what has happened. Honestly TK it is a joke in my PA now, and I am extremely uncomfortable with that.
Your Third point - Don't you shrug at me TK 
you will never get away with that. You and I both can (and could) sell them, and leads - hell I have had tells for a week, and I still will not sell them. I could, but IS IT ETHICAL? ....No - because they are relative rubbish compared to pets. You know it, and I know it. It's only the Devs who seemingly don't know it, and it's your damned job to tell them.
Yes TK it really is bad. We are selling now on novelty value, and after that it WILL go dead.
For pity's sake, this is not what any of us hoped for in a development cycle supposedly focussed on us.
*edit for Sp, could be many more
Message Edited by Shian_Tavkin on 03-23-2004 10:23 PM