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Thread: Droid Commanders?

Hillslayer
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:04 pm
#1

No droid commanders. Let it die. It was a bad idea. Most of it's supports weren't even DEs so far as I could tell and it would just be battery powered versions of CH/BE... let it die.



-Jaramar Hillslayer
Ex-Chef Ex-Squad Leader Ex-Pikeman Ex-Rifleman Droid Engineer

SOE's favorite SW quote - "I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it further."
TheRealTK421
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:09 pm
#2






Hillslayer wrote:


No droid commanders. Let it die. It was a bad idea. Most of it's supports weren't even DEs so far as I could tell and it would just be battery powered versions of CH/BE... let it die.





I think exactly the opposite. If we let it die, we will likely never see any kind of higher-end droid combat products.

And I think that's bad (as do many of my clients).


We don't need to let this die but we do have to find out where it fits in the longer 'line' of changes.


/bow

Respectfully,






TheRealTK421 a.k.a. "Doughbacca"
SWG DE Correspondent
Co-Founding member of Ahazi DENet & SWG DEA (Droid Engineer Association)
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JavelinCatcher
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:28 pm
#3






TheRealTK421 wrote:

We don't need to let this die but we do have to find out where it fits in the longer 'line' of changes.






At the end?



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Plzurpilot
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:51 pm
#4

Here we go again, somebody had to say the DC word



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TheRealTK421
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:57 pm
#5






JavelinCatcher wrote:





TheRealTK421 wrote:

We don't need to let this die but we do have to find out where it fits in the longer 'line' of changes.







At the end?




Actually, just a touch beyond that.



/bow

Respectfully,






TheRealTK421 a.k.a. "Doughbacca"
SWG DE Correspondent
Co-Founding member of Ahazi DENet & SWG DEA (Droid Engineer Association)
"I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. ...I'm certainly not. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."


tenineteen
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:59 pm
#6

I don't think a completely new profession is needed to address a higher tier of Combat droids, but I agree that something should be done to address this. My personal feeling is not a DC, but something that enables handling of powerful droids. Maybe a Droid Certification Level that professions gain boxes of? This would ramp up for the more combat-based ones. (perhaps an Uber Droideka would be a Droid Cert Lvl 10 and only higher tier boxes of combat professions can use it)

Just off the top of me head.



Tus Salakae
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Drashk
Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:15 pm
#7

The Certification system has been brought up many different times, not only by myself, but by countless others.


The problem comes down to giving too many people access to stronger combat ability without the major costs associated with skill point use. Seeding in extra abilities in current professions has a major imbalancing effect that the DEVs are trying to step away from. The Combat Upgrade is geared towards changing the face of combat, so that we don't have the outrageous situation that we see currently.


Higher end combat droids have to have a cost associated with them, since they do not fit into the scope of how combat is geared to work. Creature Handler gates the use of pets. Droid Commander will do the same.


Don't fall under the misconception that the Droid Commander / Droid Engineer relationship will be a cut and paste copy of Creature Handler / Bio Engineer. There may be items that will be in common, but they will not be exactly the same.


One of the biggest differences should be the way that Droid Commanders aquire Droids. Droids will not be tamed. The Droid Commander profession will more then likely gain 100% of its droids froma Droid Engineer, with maybe the exception of a starting combat droid. If anything, the Droid Commander / Droid Engineer relationship will better emulate the Weaponsmith / Combat profession relationship.


Another major difference is that Droid Commanders will not take over the ability to set the current commands on a droid. I do however see the Droid Commander gaining the ability to program new features on a droid, such as changing weapon damage types, and maybe even different tatical approaches.


Without the addition of the Droid Commander profession, the harsh reality is that higher end Combat Droids will never become a reality, without the creation of some major system changes. With the Droid Commander profession, the value of the Droid Engineer profession would increase tremendously, since a completely new market would be created. A real Combat Droid market.





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Hillslayer
Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:21 pm
#8

Fine by me if they don't. No one knows a droid better then it's maker.



-Jaramar Hillslayer
Ex-Chef Ex-Squad Leader Ex-Pikeman Ex-Rifleman Droid Engineer

SOE's favorite SW quote - "I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it further."
tenineteen
Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:24 pm
#9



Drashk wrote:
The Certification system has been brought up many different times, not only by myself, but by countless others.
The problem comes down to giving too many people access to stronger combat ability without the major costs associated with skill point use. Seeding in extra abilities in current professions has a major imbalancing effect that the DEVs are trying to step away from. The Combat Upgrade is geared towards changing the face of combat, so that we don't have the outrageous situation that we see currently.
Higher end combat droids have to have a cost associated with them, since they do not fit into the scope of how combat is geared to work. Creature Handler gates the use of pets. Droid Commander will do the same.
Don't fall under the misconception that the Droid Commander / Droid Engineer relationship will be a cut and paste copy of Creature Handler / Bio Engineer. There may be items that will be in common, but they will not be exactly the same.
One of the biggest differences should be the way that Droid Commanders aquire Droids. Droids will not be tamed. The Droid Commander profession will more then likely gain 100% of its droids from a Droid Engineer, with maybe the exception of a starting combat droid. If anything, the Droid Commander / Droid Engineer relationship will better emulate the Weaponsmith / Combat profession relationship.
Another major difference is that Droid Commanders will not take over the ability to set the current commands on a droid. I do however see the Droid Commander gaining the ability to program new features on a droid, such as changing weapon damage types, and maybe even different tatical approaches.
Without the addition of the Droid Commander profession, the harsh reality is that higher end Combat Droids will never become a reality, without the creation of some major system changes. With the Droid Commander profession, the value of the Droid Engineer profession would increase tremendously, since a completely new market would be created. A real Combat Droid market.





Maybe a mixture of the two, then? Still implement a Certification statistic, but only delegate the highest certifications to this Droid Commander profession, and still sprinkle some new combat droids among the other professions as they get through their boxes.

I understand that such powerful droids should have a relative cost associated with them, it makes perfect sense. It just seems to restrict all of the new combat droids into one profession might be limiting when considering meshing it with other chosen professions.

Now, the tricky part, how feasible is it that we will ever see a Droid Commander (or similar) profession in the near future? Is it seriously being considered?



Tus Salakae
Lead Engineer, Project G.H.O.S.T.
Master Droid EngineerUse it...SWG WIKI
Master Artisan . MerchantVendor at Eclectic Edge Mall
Shipwright . Imperial Pilotin Compton Naboo, near Theed


Drashk
Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:37 pm
#10




tenineteen wrote:

Maybe a mixture of the two, then? Still implement a Certification statistic, but only delegate the highest certifications to this Droid Commander profession, and still sprinkle some new combat droids among the other professions as they get through their boxes.

I understand that such powerful droids should have a relative cost associated with them, it makes perfect sense. It just seems to restrict all of the new combat droids into one profession might be limiting when considering meshing it with other chosen professions.

Now, the tricky part, how feasible is it that we will ever see a Droid Commander (or similar) profession in the near future? Is it seriously being considered?




I'll be covering suggestions on the Droid Commander Profession and a way that everyone can use every droid skin, in a later Project Droid Engineer thread.


Its kind of up in the air about when the Droid Commander profession would be added. The DEVs have completely changed how they are doing things and about the information that they are sharing about future projects. The DEVs are now trying to keep focused on what they are doing right now to enhance the game experience. The next three items that are slated for production are the Combat Upgrade, non-Combat Upgrade, and GCW. Only information on the CU is being talked about right now, along with addressing some issues that can be fixed during now and the CUs release.






Making SWG more Star Warsy. One droid at a time.
Hillslayer
Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:42 pm
#11

I just hope it's a long bloody time away. I'll still never go for more then a mini-skill tree. And regardless of what you said drashk it will still be CH/BE. So they buy the droids from us... so what? How big a difference is that really in the long run? We'll just see people spamming "a" at thier droids just like they do with thier pets. That is too close.



-Jaramar Hillslayer
Ex-Chef Ex-Squad Leader Ex-Pikeman Ex-Rifleman Droid Engineer

SOE's favorite SW quote - "I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it further."
Nindidar
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:08 am
#12

Well I just made Novice DE last night and, after haveingspent months as a commando, Iam very excited to be entering my first crafting profession. So I've spent a few hours here at the boards, just pokeing around, and trying to garner a moreintimate feel for the profession whenI came across a reference to a proposed profession called the Droid Commander. Without knowing too much about what has been proposed, I can not help but salivate.


Is the creation of this profession still a feasability? It seems as though withwork just begining on the Combat Expansion now would be the time to really start lobbying for such a profesion or at least chattering about it a bit. I'm really interested in hearing peoples ideas, dreams, rumors and facts concering the DC profesion.


Ohh, and if thereare no imediate plans to address DC, is it still on the table for future consideration? ...keeping in mind that if that is the case with everything on thedevs plate right now the future seems awfully far off. In any case, I am very intriuged and I would greatly appreciate any information regarding the future of DC.


Thanks,

Jezzabelleof Flurry

rushy68
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:22 am
#13

very conflicted idea.. alot of us want it.. but i for one am against it.

it's just making another BE/CH clone... y would we have the same thing over again? it shows lack of imagination and determination. i have always thought/still think that the !!!!DE!!!! should be able to hold more then 1 droid, and that we sould make droids more *droidish*, meaning not focas on the combat aspect as much as the overall concept of the droids, which is to serve other races and professions, in all forms.


*this means ALOT more then just combat, lets make them benifical to the whole community, instead of having them be just walking crafting mechines or small tanks.*


this is where another idea comes into play, to the SWG community as a whole

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=droid_engineer&message.id=101477


i'm not completely against the idea, i mean it WOULDhelp us make a buck and introduce somthing sorta newish... but with the thread on the other side of the link i just posted, it would open droids to everyone, not just one or two proffesions.





http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message
board.id=droid_engineer&message.id=97798#M97798 -

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=droid_engineer&message.id=101477

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=droid_engineer&message.id=102104
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