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Thread: TK please read about your comment on combat droids
It's disappointing to all of us that we don't have them yet. But, bear in mind, we shot them down. Now we have to live in that bed (for a little while) that we made for ourselves. That being said...
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Let me make a clarification! We shot down the Droid Handler profession NOT combat droids! The Devs wanted to make a droid handler profession because it was the easy way out to get combat droids in the game. The majoriety of the DE's wanted the craft/combat abitlity in the same class.
I see you post like this and it gets me very frustrated! It almost like you are vendicating Dev's and SOE for not listening to the player's exspectations. Please be mindfull that its not the DE's of the game that stoped SOE from working on combat droids. It was the amount of work Dev's needed (and still do)to make it a reality.
/bow
Badafi wrote:
In your Post about combat droids you wrote:
It's disappointing to all of us that we don't have them yet. But, bear in mind, we shot them down. Now we have to live in that bed (for a little while) that we made for ourselves. That being said...
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Let me make a clarification! We shot down the Droid Handler profession NOT combat droids!
Well, yes..technically that's true. However, shooting down one led toshooting down the other.
The Devs wanted to make a droid handler profession because it was the easy way out to get combat droids in the game. The majoriety of the DE's wanted the craft/combat abitlity in the same class.
Honestly? I'm not sure that we know that the "majority" wanted. I would say, if anything, that certs were our real "best" answer. That got voted down by the Devs. That leaves only Hybrid.
Hybrid will be (I suspect) hard to balance than the new profession would have been. That means, unfortunately, a delay in making it happen.
I'm not saying it doesn't bite....just telling it like it is...
I see you post like this and it gets me very frustrated!
I'm sorry if it frustrates you. Obviously, that's not my intention. My intent is to give you real, valid and realistic information. But...that doesn'tmean that I'm not pushing to move CL10+ droidsas fast asI can.
Believe me, the Devs are serious about wanting them in too...they just have to deal with how to actuallycode it (the way we all say we want it) without it being an imbalancing thing.
Not easy, I assure you.
It almost like you are vendicating Dev's and SOE for not listening to the player's exspectations.
No...I'm simply stating reality as I see it.
Please be mindfull that its not the DE's of the game that stoped SOE from working on combat droids. It was the amount of work Dev's needed (and still do) to make it a reality.
Well...I'm not sure. I know that there were plans to get CL10+ droids into the game via DC/DH. A lot of work had already been done on that. We shot it down.
So...who's to blame?
Who cares, at this point. Playing the blame game isn't going to help us to move forward on this issue, everyone.
Respectfully,
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That was my point...again! "we shot it down". If you go back to the old conversations Thunder lead us down that path and when we responded that was not the exspectation. A lot of work was done on a profession that players did not want. Instead of combat droids.
So...who's to blame?
Who cares, at this point. Playing the blame game isn't going to help us to move forward on this issue, everyone........... it just seems to pop up in your post
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But you are playing the blame game with comments like "we shot it down" and thats why we have the mess we have (thats the message you are voicing). I agree we should not play blame games and move forward. That is why its frustrating to see you say "move forward" and same time "play blame game".
All I am asking is to quit saying stuff like "we shot it down"! Only thing 'WE' shot down was a split in profession and not combat droids.
/bow
Badafi wrote:
Well...I'm not sure. I know that there were plans to get CL10+ droids into the game via DC/DH. A lot of work had already been done on that. We shot it down.
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That was my point...again! "we shot it down". If you go back to the old conversations Thunder lead us down that path and when we responded that was not the exspectation. A lot of work was done on a profession that players did not want. Instead of combat droids.
So...who's to blame?
Who cares, at this point. Playing the blame game isn't going to help us to move forward on this issue, everyone........... it just seems to pop up in your post
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But you are playing the blame game with comments like "we shot it down" and thats why we have the mess we have (thats the message you are voicing).
Uhhh...we did shoot it down, man. I know this is upsetting but it's the truth. The outcry over DH is thing that slammed the breaks on releasing it. Plain and simple.
Heck, I'm the one that started the poll that had something to do withthe whole thing going down that way.
I'm not sayingwe were wrong to shoot it down...just that it was public / DE outcry that made them change what they were planning.
I agree we should not play blame games and move forward. That is why its frustrating to see you say "move forward" and same time "play blame game".
I'm not "blaming" DEs. That would be the case if I'd wanted DH and was mad about not getting it. Regardless of what word you want to use to describe what happen, we were the ones that got the brakes slammed on the release of DH/DC.
All I am asking is to quit saying stuff like "we shot it down"! Only thing 'WE' shot down was a split in profession and not combat droids.
Well..they went hand-in-hand, dude. I'm not saying that DEs shot down the idea of wanting CL10+ combat droids. We shot down using a new profession to get there.
So, because that occurred, we have to wait until some new plan to release them (that is technically feasible and can be balanced) is built.
You seem to be operating under some kind of assumption that my comments equate to me working against the DE community. I hope you understand that's not the case. I wouldn't do all that I've ever done (on the forums, the DEA / DENet, accepting the Corr. nomination, etc.) if I didn't want to try and help all of us.
Respectfully,
Placing blame for the whole fiasco is quite easy, actually. It does not do us any good or contribute anything, but...
SOE is to blame for the lack of player-controlled high-level combat droids.
Why? Simple. They are getting paid to develop the game. It is their job to create the content and arrange the rules of the game. We are here voluntarily providing free input to enlarge the creative pool they have to draw from, but ultimately all decisions are made by SOE for SOE's purposes.
SOE chose not to implement higher-level combat droids for players, instead adding them as PvE content. A discussion of WHY they did can (and has) take up thousands of words.
Kilarny wrote:
Placing blame for the whole fiasco is quite easy, actually. It does not do us any good or contribute anything, but...
SOE is to blame for the lack of player-controlled high-level combat droids.
Why? Simple. They are getting paid to develop the game. It is their job to create the content and arrange the rules of the game. We are here voluntarily providing free input to enlarge the creative pool they have to draw from, but ultimately all decisions are made by SOE for SOE's purposes.
SOE chose not to implement higher-level combat droids for players, instead adding them as PvE content. A discussion of WHY they did can (and has) take up thousands of words.
Uhhh...we did shoot it down, man. I know this is upsetting but it's the truth. The outcry over DH is thing that slammed the breaks on releasing it. Plain and simple.
So, because that occurred, we have to wait until some new plan to release them (that is technically feasible and can be balanced) is built.
Message Edited by TheygotFritz on 11-12-2004 10:32 AM
TheRealTK421 wrote:
Uhhh...we did shoot it down, man. I know this is upsetting but it's the truth. The outcry over DH is thing that slammed the breaks on releasing it. Plain and simple.
Heck, I'm the one that started the poll that had something to do withthe whole thing going down that way.
I'm not sayingwe were wrong to shoot it down...just that it was public / DE outcry that made them change what they were planning.
I agree we should not play blame games and move forward. That is why its frustrating to see you say "move forward" and same time "play blame game".
I'm not "blaming" DEs. That would be the case if I'd wanted DH and was mad about not getting it. Regardless of what word you want to use to describe what happen, we were the ones that got the brakes slammed on the release of DH/DC.
All I am asking is to quit saying stuff like "we shot it down"! Only thing 'WE' shot down was a split in profession and not combat droids.
Well..they went hand-in-hand, dude. I'm not saying that DEs shot down the idea of wanting CL10+ combat droids. We shot down using a new profession to get there.
Wow, TK.
I know you were there, and you forget to add that yes, we said no to Droid Handler, but they did not tell us that equaled no combat droids!
I'll be 100% honest - if I knew then what I knew now, I would have let that whole "The DE community overwhelmingly...wanted Droid Handler" thing pass by without comment and said "thank you" even though it wasn't what anyone thought we wanted or needed - because it is clear now that that is the ONLY way to get combat droids. If they had made that ultimatum from the begining and told us in the first place that the dozens of ideas about certifactions were flat out not going to happen, we would have been able to make an informed decision. This is especially true now that we know what's up for Publish 8 - something tells me when we said "scrap combat droids and give us utility" we were not thinking about 10 entertainer modules that blow smoke.
On no level did we understand that we were not considered unfinished as we always assumed, and it wasn't until WELL afterthe Droid Handler commentthat they flat out said, "No certifications." I mean, they had to have a meeting to come up with ideas for NEW utility droids because there wasn't some master plan like we all had hoped that included slicer, survey, inherent functions. We didn't understand until recently that as far as usefulness goes, according to the Devs we are as functional in terms of core systems as we will be (crafting stations and med modules).
You are over simplifying the situation and adding fuelto the growing number of people who grumble that it's DE's fault that combat droids suck. You know this is NOT the case at all.
We did not have enough information available to us to make an informed decision.
We were told long ago to expect oranges (certifactions), but then they came offering peaches (droid handler) saying that that's what we told them we wanted. We said, "No, we don't want peaches, we want oranges," and on top of all that we were rightly irritated that we were told we wanted the dang peaches we never said we did (and your poll confirmed).
They took "we want oranges" to mean we didn't want any fruit at all, not bothering to tell us that they didn't have any oranges in the bag.
It simply doesn't matter who said what when at this point - it's becoming a tiring topic since some people refuse to see what really happened, one major miscommunication after another, and trying to make generalizations about it as an excuse for anything(and I'm running out of food analogies - I think that was the third one on the situation). What matters is now, when we actually are on somewhat of the same page as to what our options are/were, that we let them know what we do want.
The fact that you would spend any time rubbing in in our faces (and yes, no matter how you qualify it, in your original and subsequent replies that's what you are doing) makes me wish you'd stop arguing about the past and help us come to some crossroads with the Devs regarding our future.
This isn't a urination contest, and we aren't children who need to be punished or taught lessons - weare customers that fellvictim of some major miscommunication/lack of communication of the options available to us when we were asked for our input.
If it's too late to rectify that mistake, that's one thing; butimplying,in any way, that it's our fault is not only bad form, it's a waste of time.
AO
TK...Audio is correct.
There were no Oranges.
They hadn't even started planting Peaches as of January. (show me the post where they detailed DH and the coming Droids in the In Concept forum..?)
They hoped to steal a few Apples from a passing CH and add them to some pretty pictures of a Fruit Bowl.
They ran out of time (must publish or perish?) ...
We got the pictures of the Fruit Bowl....(see upcoming dungeon wallpaper)
Forget the PR folks, they are the road blocks (read Ralph). I'd like to see the Programmer working on Droid Engineering codecome here and tell us how much code he had written before Christmas break for Combat Droids. I think it is obvious from Runesabre's comments that they hadn't even started on DE or DH enhancements. They weren't even ready for TC.
You can't shoot down what isn't flying....
Edsoni, DE Wanderhome