Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: Can someone justify DE only droids?
How do you justify the fact that DE's get a their own special droid, where as no other class gets this priveledge?
When/if you answer please keep it to reason. Whether you are for or against the idea, I personally dont care. I'm more interested in the balance and justification issues. If you want to paint a broad brush including all the branches of artisan/BE/maybe doctors (shady here) go ahead. If you are having trouble going with a broad brush, just compare yourself to weaponsmith/armorsmith/architect (same skill set pre-req).
Thanks in advance.
Tilen
Take the time to read the other threads please before starting soomething like this. The arguments for both sides are laid out there.
I make BH only droids. I make droids that only Medics can use. I make droids that only chefs/medics use. I make droids that only architects can use. I make droids that only tailors/armorsmiths can use. I make droidsthat nobody uses. What's wrong with asking for a DE only droid?
Besides, the dev's want a Certification system on droids, isn't this technically just a part of that, that at novice DE you get a chance to use another droid, like a pistoleer getting a DX2?
What you really need to do is to go back to your BE forum and start talking with your correspondent. Start asking for the BE class to get fixed. Start talking about some of the wonderous things you can be doing playing god with creature DNA. Start using your imagination, and start asking your own forum and your own correspondent and your own developer why can't you have your own bio-engineered pet at master.
That's right. Don't ask us to justify our own DE only droid. Go start justifying your own special Master BE pet. I think you have every right and every reason.
/ looks at SinjenRandall
/lets jaw drop in amused shock
/claps until his hands turn red.
oaktree68 wrote:
Thanks in advance.
I am not an advocate of a DE-only droid, so I really cannot answer your question. However, I will offer you this in regards to your concerns: game balance is obviously one of SOE's top priorities, as has come out in at least one of Thunderheart's comments here, and of course through the content of almost all of the patches. SOE has to weigh the pros and cons of making any changes, in terms of both gameplay and profession interraction balance.
And I have read threads here, been reading tons and tons of threads. Go read Sinostri's thread (who is a really good correspondent and not knocking her in any way). But read it, her arguement is "well, we are gonna get combat droids to sell anyway, we might as well get something that only we can use since its on the table." Thats not a justification, thats a want. People say greed, thats another want. Think of all the reasons you've heard and ask yourself, "is this a want or a reason?" You'll be surprised.
As for people that dont know what I'm talking about, I'll give an example. As an EQ player about a year back (was it that long ago) they nerfed monks. Im gonna make this short and sweet, but this is what they said as their reason essentially:
Monks, with the new expansions that were released were very easily able to max out their AC (armor class, part of damage mitigation). Because of their high AC and naturally high block/dodge skills, (originally monks had crappy AC but good dodge/block to compensate) monks had become extremely efficient tanks (they were classified as a damage dealing class). In alot of cases, monks could tank better than a warrior (pure tank class) or paladin (hybrid tank class) which are both plate classes and designed to take more damage. Because of this, they moved monks to a different damage mitigation (how much damage the mob did to you) table which resulted monks getting hit alot harder and losing alot of their tanking ability
You see, lets look real simply:
Problem: Monks tank too well
Solution: Nerf monks
Justification: Because of expansion, monks were able to get unnaturally high AC that when combined with their dodge/block skills made them better tanks than the tanking classes.
You see, there was the problem. There was a solution, and there was a justification. No matter how much monks WANTED their ability to tank, it just wasnt BALANCED. They could argue until they were blue in the face, but the facts were there and the justification was solid. Their justification was well reasoned vs. the other classes in the game in respect to them.
So now the situation comes to DE. There are balance issues to be worked out between them and their sister classes weaponsmith/architect/armorsmith. So again, I'll ask, how are special DE only combat droids justified?
Problem: DE's need balancing (or fixing, call it what you will)
Solution: Give DE's combat only droids they can use.
Justification: ??????????????????
Like I said please BALANCE it out against your sister classes at the very least. And again, I'm sorry. This is just how I attack a problem. I dont go for the glitz and glamor and the emotions. I look for sound reasoning behind the answers and I cant come up with any for this situation. I'm really asking you guys for help to see your side of the picture cause I cant see it alone. So can anyone give me a justification?
SinjenRandall wrote:What you really need to do is to go back to your BE forum and start talking with your correspondent. Start asking for the BE class to get fixed. Start talking about some of the wonderous things you can be doing playing god with creature DNA. Start using your imagination, and start asking your own forum and your own correspondent and your own developer why can't you have your own bio-engineered pet at master.
That's right. Don't ask us to justify our own DE only droid. Go start justifying your own special Master BE pet. I think you have every right and every reason.
I agree. If you guys get your way, BE's along with weaponsmiths, chefs, tailors, armorsmiths, architects, merchants, maybe doctors (am I leaving anyone out?) will have every right to go to our correspondent and hammer home that very point. Like I said, I'm watching this thing with alot of interest cause its going to impact ALOT of classes. But unfortunately, every single one of our justifications is going to begin and end with "DE has it, why shouldn't we." I'm really not asking a complicated question here, whats your justification?
Oaktree,
You're not going to get a good reason because there aren't any when you compare us to other classes. Like I said in another thread, the reasons are:
We are broken (I say fix us instead of giving us an exclusive combat droid)
We have nothing to sell (again, if we get fixed we will, and all-usable combat droids will add to this)
We get killed too easily on harvester runs (so do other crafting classes. There are ways to mitigate this that do not involve giving us an exclusive combat droid)
Droids are different in that they're more independent (granted, but when put into the context of fairness to other pure crafting classes, this is an unfair reason. What do the other crafting classes get to compensate for their weaknesses? Why should we be different?)
The combat crowd really wants to turn the DE profession into a CH clone. You give us a CL 40 droid with the armor we're capable of making, and it can be a tough target to take down.
We'll see though. I hope the DEVs actually keep us a crafting class instead of listening to the pleas of the people who want to turn us into another version of the CH.
If you knew anything about droids oak youd know that the frame doesnt matter, only the modules. A medic can only use the medical module. A engineer/artisan can only use the structure crafting module. This argument coming from BE's has happened many times before on this board, so PLEASE just leave we have heard it all before. If you're unhappy, talk with your correspondent.
Or how about i wave my magic wand and make everything better!
/wavewand
There! SWG is bug free, lag free, and ALWAYS fun to play! JOY!
EricTheGreat wrote:If you knew anything about droids oak youd know that the frame doesnt matter, only the modules. A medic can only use the medical module. A engineer/artisan can only use the structure crafting module. This argument coming from BE's has happened many times before on this board, so PLEASE just leave we have heard it all before. If you're unhappy, talk with your correspondent.
Or how about i wave my magic wand and make everything better!
/wavewand
There! SWG is bug free, lag free, and ALWAYS fun to play! JOY!
Who said I'm unhappy. I'm perfectly happy. Who's starting an arguement? All I ask is your justifications for wanting one. Give me one, just one and I'm as good as gone. I'm just asking for your help cause I cant think of one on my own and considering half the DE's think this is a good idea, I would like to know their justifications.