Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: DE forum 'Leaders'
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ocko1337
Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:49 am
#1
Hello people, I am very, very, very inexperianced at playing SWG as at the time of this post I have been playing for 4 days. I am training my artisan skill at the moment, hoping to become a DE as this interests my greatly. So i decided to come here to have a browse at the DE community. Now I have a couple of negative things to say;
1) The guys on this forum who seem, to me, to be the most knowledgeable and senior all seem to have a problem with posting regarding frequent questions. Well may I just say this; people who want to learn their skill come here to read about it, i have read that engineering 101 thing, and to be honest didn't find it totally helpfull, mainly confusing and alot of skimming and searching for the adviceI required. As you can imagine this is very time consuming. So it brings me to my point. People who come on here not to read pages and pages of text, but for help....will just post a thread to get their question answered....and this doesn't help your profession grow if you get touchy when someone posts a FAQ and you moan about answering them.
You could make the stickie easier to search, or easier on the eye so people would sit there and read it, or you could just persevere with them and answer them, there are new people joining all the time and they are not going to want to rumage through endless archives of old posts just to get a simple question answered. Im not trying to sound like im ranting for no reason, but if youare as friendly etc as you say you are, you would have no problem helping these people out.
Forums are meant to be used guys, not used as a reference point.....would you just want a FAQ post? that people just read and left again? no of course not, you want to discuss and aid your fellow DE's.....this can be done by a simple reply on a post. Please dont cuss people for asking simple questions, we all do it, just answer thats all it takes.
1) The guys on this forum who seem, to me, to be the most knowledgeable and senior all seem to have a problem with posting regarding frequent questions. Well may I just say this; people who want to learn their skill come here to read about it, i have read that engineering 101 thing, and to be honest didn't find it totally helpfull, mainly confusing and alot of skimming and searching for the adviceI required. As you can imagine this is very time consuming. So it brings me to my point. People who come on here not to read pages and pages of text, but for help....will just post a thread to get their question answered....and this doesn't help your profession grow if you get touchy when someone posts a FAQ and you moan about answering them.
You could make the stickie easier to search, or easier on the eye so people would sit there and read it, or you could just persevere with them and answer them, there are new people joining all the time and they are not going to want to rumage through endless archives of old posts just to get a simple question answered. Im not trying to sound like im ranting for no reason, but if youare as friendly etc as you say you are, you would have no problem helping these people out.
Forums are meant to be used guys, not used as a reference point.....would you just want a FAQ post? that people just read and left again? no of course not, you want to discuss and aid your fellow DE's.....this can be done by a simple reply on a post. Please dont cuss people for asking simple questions, we all do it, just answer thats all it takes.
Drashk
Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:15 am
#2
Here is the thing about what you mention.....
The guides are written by people who aren't perfect. I've written a number of guides now, and each time the process becomes more indepth and a little eaiser, however it is extremely time consuming. By all means, if you would like to try your hand at making a guide easier to read and at the same time including as much information as possible, please do so. 
As for the replies to others....
Majority of the time that a question is asked, it has just recently been asked. I would guess that 75% of the time that someone asks a question, the same question was asked within a 20 of the last posts. Often times, you will see twothreads with the title of the thread reading much the same, all on the front page. When you have been on the forums for over 1 year, and see this same occurance happen over and over again, and usually by the same people, on many different profession forums, some form of opinion of this person is going to be formed.Since everyone that replies to these threads is human, then it will be a given that someone will run short on patience and post a reply that is aimed at making their feelings known.
Quite often, all it takes for someone to figure out an answer to their question, would be to actually try experimenting with the issue themselves. Such is the case with things such as experimentation and quality. It doesn't take that long to figure out what is needed where. Majority of the people that are around to answer a question are the same people who figured it out for themselves. For those who have figured out the answer, it becomes rather discouraging when you are asked the same question 5 + times a week, by people who don't have the time to bother with finding out the information for themselves.
So much focus has been put on the grinding of a profession, that many people forget that it is simply better to just play the profession and find out for themselves If they still don't understand the issue, after experimenting with it themselves, then discussion is a great option. With so many not understanding that patience is the key, those of us who do have patience often become frustrated and impatient because of the resulting behavoir of by the afore mentioned people. In the 2 years that I have been apart of this community, I have had more demands for information then I have had thank yous for offering information. And I know that I am not the only one who has been in that boat.
RasalTheWise
Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:13 am
#3
In addition, forums host all different personalities and tempers. So depending on who gets to your post first, you may get a response from someone who's having a bad day, or someone who just won the lottery.
Flames are (unfortunatly) a part of forums such as this. Best you can do is pose your question and try to be as objective as you can with the responses you get.
Flames are (unfortunatly) a part of forums such as this. Best you can do is pose your question and try to be as objective as you can with the responses you get.
Wynn814
Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:00 am
#4
When I started, I read all the guides I could get my hands on, then I made one of everything. Best thing I can tell you is to search the boards before posting and to just try stuff. I spent 4 mill playing around and getting master before I set up shop. Best thing I ever did.
Straker_Atrella
Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:12 am
#5
I fully admit to being guilty of this as well.
Part of it really depends on my mood, how much timeI have to post, plus also when the last time the question was asked.
I know the DE 101 has problems, I know other stuff it outdated as well, it is being worked on, I also know what parts of those are outdated and could be organized better. So if you come asking questions about such things, you will get a lot more sympathy from me. I go out of my way to answer such questions.
However, other times, it is not uncommon to see a question asked that is clearly answered in many different places, sometimes literally 2 posts down. It may even be a question that could be answered by simply messing around for 10 minutes making stuff. When a question such as this is posted, sometimes it comes across as "I'm to lazy to check posts, read, or mess around, please do my work for me." Obviously that may not alwyas be the case, but it can look like that at times. Depending on my mood, I may ignore the post, post a 1000 word answer, or point you to the FAQs.
I have only been a DE for about a year and a half (not like other veterans here,) I 100% remember what it was like to be totally confused, I probably bothered TK with lots of stupid questions. Yet I also know I made dozens or worthless droids that died a sad death, searched many posts, and only asked when I needed too.
I (and others) have no problem helping people, I actually enjoy it. Yet the same thing over and over can get tiring. I guess I can try and be better.
Akkori
Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:15 am
#6
If *I* won the lottery, this would not be the place I would be hanging out, lol.
As to the thread author, hopefully you are getting a better picture each day you play of how complex this system is. You are right, to read up on enough guides to fully explain the profession would take hours of reading and re-reading, and in-game tests of stuff you just read. My advice would be to print out the Guides, and refer to them when you get stumped on a single thing. Dont expect to read a Guide, and then know all there is to know (or even half) about Droid Engineer.
A bit of advice.... dont spent too much time reading up on DE. Spend as much time as you can reading up on the resources DE use, and then tracking them down to buy or harvest yourself. You can know everything about DE, but not have the resources, and be SOL. After you have that going, then you can spend more time learning...preferably as you craft.
Be warned though, that the DE market is kinda slow. Dont expect to become a millionaire any time soon. But it IS the coolest crafting profession out there!!
Akkori
Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:15 pm
#7
I started aWS a week or so ago, and am amazed at how simple that profession is. The only "hard" thing about it is understanding the Enhancers and what can go where, and getting the resources. It beats us at resource needs, but hand's down, DE is the most component-heavy prof in the game. Its also the most complex, IMO. Pet crafting is pretty crazy, but its mostly about cruching numbers to find the right recipe for a good pet. People are still amazed when I tell them that a factory run of LE combat droids takes about 11 factory runs to complete.... Hmm... I'll have to dust of my factory guide and post it for the new info....
Wynn814
Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:27 pm
#8
Is it wrong I have never done a run of droids? 
All my droids are made one at a time not counting BH droids.
All my droids are made one at a time not counting BH droids.
Jonthalas
Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:38 pm
#9
So, you've done a run of BH droids -- or do BH droids not count as droids (because they're shorter than R2)?
GnomeAd
Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:06 am
#10
DE is quite a complex profession. If someone doesn't have the patience to read through the stickies, this might not be the profession for them.
Besides, if you think it's bad now, you should have been here in the old days....
Besides, if you think it's bad now, you should have been here in the old days....
ocko1337
Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:13 am
#11
Thank you all for you replies.
I know that as you have been here for a long time you see these threads with FAQs, that can easily be solved by; looking for 5 or so minutes; reading the thread that has a particular FAQ in it; or by working it out yourself.
I also appreciate as you are all human, bad moods etc. do account for your hostlility towards to particular lazy people who want thier work doing for them. And I acknowledge that you du enjoy helping but patiencewears thin when it is obvious people are just lazy and want SWG spoon fed to them, with no work at all.
Another point I would like to make is I am not going to be a DE for the money, but becuase I like the fact I could be living in a fictional online Star Wars Universe, as myself...and I could be sat in my house tinkering with droids. It just captures my imagination some what.
Also I know that the guides take alot of time to produce, they are very helpful indeed, but as it is on a forum, with internet explorer....the pages and reems and reems of text are not all too easy to navigate.
I thank you all for all your imput. Thanks alot, and all you guys here seem very friendly and I would like to (if possible) form a friendship with you, as I'm sure your wisdom and expertise would come very much in handy and help me out alot.
I'm not a master artisan yet, I'm still very....and i hate to use this word as on other games i play i rule them.....but n00bish. I would very much like to get into a group or some kind of master that could guide and helpme while I'm ingame. As this game does has alot to it, and it quite complicated, I need guidence. I want to become a DE, but there is also other things I am excited by so it will take me longer to reach my personal goals if I have no-one to guide me along. Being an artisan is hard, with knowing which resources to get etc. and I need some help as to know which is the best way to advance so I can begin to DE.
Thnaks alot guys, your community here on DE forums is great.
I know that as you have been here for a long time you see these threads with FAQs, that can easily be solved by; looking for 5 or so minutes; reading the thread that has a particular FAQ in it; or by working it out yourself.
I also appreciate as you are all human, bad moods etc. do account for your hostlility towards to particular lazy people who want thier work doing for them. And I acknowledge that you du enjoy helping but patiencewears thin when it is obvious people are just lazy and want SWG spoon fed to them, with no work at all.
Another point I would like to make is I am not going to be a DE for the money, but becuase I like the fact I could be living in a fictional online Star Wars Universe, as myself...and I could be sat in my house tinkering with droids. It just captures my imagination some what.
Also I know that the guides take alot of time to produce, they are very helpful indeed, but as it is on a forum, with internet explorer....the pages and reems and reems of text are not all too easy to navigate.
I thank you all for all your imput. Thanks alot, and all you guys here seem very friendly and I would like to (if possible) form a friendship with you, as I'm sure your wisdom and expertise would come very much in handy and help me out alot.
I'm not a master artisan yet, I'm still very....and i hate to use this word as on other games i play i rule them.....but n00bish. I would very much like to get into a group or some kind of master that could guide and helpme while I'm ingame. As this game does has alot to it, and it quite complicated, I need guidence. I want to become a DE, but there is also other things I am excited by so it will take me longer to reach my personal goals if I have no-one to guide me along. Being an artisan is hard, with knowing which resources to get etc. and I need some help as to know which is the best way to advance so I can begin to DE.
Thnaks alot guys, your community here on DE forums is great.
Straker_Atrella
Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:07 am
#12
What server do you play on? If it is Scylla feel free to contact or e-mail me any questions you may have.
ArthurDentOnBria
Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:53 am
#13
Ocko,
For what it's worth, I made the exact same comment that you made a month or so back. Namely that if people want to use the canned "RTFM" response to questions, they really need a better manual with which to refer people. DE 101 has a lot of info, but it's outdated, poorly organized, and is not useful as a way to lookup answers to questions(it's notorganized inthat way). That's not a knock at it's author(s), these things take a lot of work to write and writing such a thing is a great benefit to noobs like us, but honestly, it's just not a good enough as a reference to merit the "RTFM" response.
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