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Thread: After reading a few post I was wondering......

RasalTheWise
Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:43 am
#1


Xrystal wrote:

Since Publish 18 the maximum Combat Level a Droid can be is 30. Now whether this was intended is unknown but there has been no hint from SoE that this will be changed.




Pretty sure it was intentional to make combat droids up to CL 30. I have a feeling they will have to do some balance changes if they allow anything higher than that. I mean heck, Creature Handlers can only handle up to CL 70...




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DarkPlace
Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:56 am
#2

Ok thanks guys, I thought thats what was being said in some of the other posts but I didn't want it to be true lol.



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DarkPlace
Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:37 pm
#3

I wasa 0004 DE a while back to do the FS crafting grind and kinda liked it, even took the time to make a few runs of things then dropped it to continue on with the FS grind, Well I have another character that has the ability to respec to MDE but first I was wondering about a few things that were not completly clear to me (or I didn't hear what I wanted to). My friend told me he thought that a MDE could make CL 50 droids. Is that indeed possible or is there some kind of bug that is preventing this as was implied but some of the thread I read?



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Xrystal
Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:57 pm
#4

Since Publish 18 the maximum Combat Level a Droid can be is 30. Now whether this was intended is unknown but there has been no hint from SoE that this will be changed. But whats new.


Currently, if you add 1 combat module and 1 level 4 module (may have to be real good) you will get level 30. The armor starts off high and then drops down to 1217 after the first call. This coincides with normal creature levels (Bio Engineer created ones anyway). Could be unintended but again no fix as of yet.


HesDeadJim
Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:04 pm
#5

If Creature Handlers can handle Creatures of up to Level 70, why can't a DE make a Level 70 Combat Droid? Aside from the Level 30 restriction, of course.

Message Edited by HesDeadJim on 08-30-2005 10:05 PM

Obo_alCan
Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:39 am
#6



HesDeadJim wrote:
If Creature Handlers can handle Creatures of up to Level 70, why can't a DE make a Level 70 Combat Droid? Aside from the Level 30 restriction, of course.

Message Edited by HesDeadJim on 08-30-2005 10:05 PM




But who would then use this CL70 Droid? It wouldn't be Creature Handlers, and it can't be 'everyone'.





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Rechtglaubig
Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:08 am
#7






Obo_alCan wrote:





HesDeadJim wrote:

If Creature Handlers can handle Creatures of up to Level 70, why can't a DE make a Level 70 Combat Droid? Aside from the Level 30 restriction, of course.

Message Edited by HesDeadJim on 08-30-2005 10:05 PM





But who would then use this CL70 Droid? It wouldn't be Creature Handlers, and it can't be 'everyone'.




DEs!



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"When Sony and Lucas set out, we said, 'How can we do this and not make another EQ?' We didn't want it to be all about Luke, or combat, or lock our players into a class. So we created a system that would allow players to switch professions during the game, and there would be a lot of gameplay around making that change. If you want to go from architect to scout we've created a system to make that happen." - Julio Torres
V1G0
Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:35 pm
#8






Rechtglaubig wrote:





Obo_alCan wrote:





HesDeadJim wrote:

If Creature Handlers can handle Creatures of up to Level 70, why can't a DE make a Level 70 Combat Droid? Aside from the Level 30 restriction, of course.

Message Edited by HesDeadJim on 08-30-2005 10:05 PM





But who would then use this CL70 Droid? It wouldn't be Creature Handlers, and it can't be 'everyone'.




DEs!





But DEs are crafters, not combat.



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Drashk
Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:14 pm
#9




V1G0 wrote:





Rechtglaubig wrote:





Obo_alCan wrote:





HesDeadJim wrote:

If Creature Handlers can handle Creatures of up to Level 70, why can't a DE make a Level 70 Combat Droid? Aside from the Level 30 restriction, of course.



But who would then use this CL70 Droid? It wouldn't be Creature Handlers, and it can't be 'everyone'.




DEs!



But DEs are crafters, not combat.




Now the circle is complete.....


This the same circular arguement that has been occuring since the days of Sintrosi. If you don't know who 'she' is, don't worry too much about it. Lets just say its an old arguement.


Back and forth the same point and counter points have gone, so I will give a simple break down of where things last stood on this debate....



  • Make the Droids DE only (senario 1)


    • Adding combat to a crafting profession would unbalance the nature of being a crafting profession


      • But combat professions have some crafting


        • None of those professions are based on a single line of a single base profession


          • Then increase the requirements of DE


            • How?


              • Respecs


                • It can't be offered to a single profession. It would have to offered to everyone in the game.

  • Give combat Droids to everyone, without a cost.


    • This would remove the balance system that is already in place and would force people to use combat droids


      • How would if force people to use the droid?


        • If the droid was of a significant CL, then it would help to tip the scale of balance in PvP.


          • But CHs can use CL70 pets


            • CHs have also spent 106 Skill points to be able to do this.

  • Tie the CL of the droid to the Level of the toon


    • See above. It would still be a 'must need droid' situation to be able to compete.


      • Create a cert system where only low CL would be able to use the high CL droids


        • This creates a self limiting system where only the minority of SWG players would be able to use the droids.

There are a number of other points that have been tossed around, but I think it helps to show where things last stood.


For each comment made, there is always a point against, untill the entire debate colapses in on itself.


/emote waits for someone to make a counter-points against all three listings.






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Sodan-droiddreamer
Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:21 pm
#10






Drashk wrote:
Now the circle is complete.....

This the same circular arguement that has been occuring since the days of Sintrosi. If you don't know who 'she' is, don't worry too much about it. Lets just say its an old arguement.


Back and forth the same point and counter points have gone, so I will give a simple break down of where things last stood on this debate....



  • Make the Droids DE only (senario 1)


    • Adding combat to a crafting profession would unbalance the nature of being a crafting profession


      • But combat professions have some crafting


        • None of those professions are based on a single line of a single base profession


          • Then increase the requirements of DE


            • How?


              • Respecs


                • It can't be offered to a single profession. It would have to offered to everyone in the game.

  • Give combat Droids to everyone, without a cost.


    • This would remove the balance system that is already in place and would force people to use combat droids


      • How would if force people to use the droid?


        • If the droid was of a significant CL, then it would help to tip the scale of balance in PvP.


          • But CHs can use CL70 pets


            • CHs have also spent 106 Skill points to be able to do this.

  • Tie the CL of the droid to the Level of the toon


    • See above. It would still be a 'must need droid' situation to be able to compete.


      • Create a cert system where only low CL would be able to use the high CL droids


        • This creates a self limiting system where only the minority of SWG players would be able to use the droids.

There are a number of other points that have been tossed around, but I think it helps to show where things last stood.


For each comment made, there is always a point against, untill the entire debate colapses in on itself.





That's right. The community has been back and forth on these points over and over. I myself have ardently argued one or more positions. They lead to the same conclusion in my mind: Droid Handler profession. It's the only way to get highlvl combat Droids in game, and some of you know exactly how much I hate to say it.


So I say give me DH and droidekas!




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Rechtglaubig
Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:24 am
#11







That's right. The community has been back and forth on these points over and over. I myself have ardently argued one or more positions. They lead to the same conclusion in my mind: Droid Handler profession. It's the only way to get highlvl combat Droids in game, and some of you know exactly how much I hate to say it.


So I say give me DH and droidekas!







Doh! Sorry to have stirred the pot. BUT since the damage has been done....


Yeahyeah! Or a Mad Scientist prof (for lack of a more creative name :smileyvery-happy



Make 'em train .... I don't know ...Engineeringfrom Artisan... and ... ummm .... the Image Designfrom Entertainerlol.


Maybe even give them schematics for new cybernetic arms and legs that actually look cool and that allow you to wear armor over them.


I know its a stupid idea, but I would like to see you guys get something new.





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"When Sony and Lucas set out, we said, 'How can we do this and not make another EQ?' We didn't want it to be all about Luke, or combat, or lock our players into a class. So we created a system that would allow players to switch professions during the game, and there would be a lot of gameplay around making that change. If you want to go from architect to scout we've created a system to make that happen." - Julio Torres
Skizzik-
Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:32 pm
#12






HesDeadJim wrote:

If Creature Handlers can handle Creatures of up to Level 70, why can't a DE make a Level 70 Combat Droid? Aside from the Level 30 restriction, of course.

Message Edited by HesDeadJim on 08-30-2005 10:05 PM





CH's are a combat profession and Creatures are their weapon. They spent the time and sp to use those weapons.



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RasalTheWise
Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:12 pm
#13


Sodan-droiddreamer wrote:

The community has been back and forth on these points over and over. I myself have ardently argued one or more positions. They lead to the same conclusion in my mind: Droid Handler profession. It's the only way to get highlvl combat Droids in game, and some of you know exactly how much I hate to say it.

So I say give me DH and droidekas!


Or revamp the Creature Handler class, so high-level droids can be added to their mix.




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