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TheRealTK421
Joined: 25 Sep 2022
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 Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:28 am Post subject:
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ArdenStarmariner wrote:
Very simple. If you want combat droids and/or want droid handling put directly into the Droid Engineering profession, write private messages to the following people:
Thunderheart
Runesabre
JustG
This is an outrageously incorrect "plan" to attain what you are after.
I understand the frustrated area that you're coming from on this..but it's not the answer, Arden, I'm sorry.
I wish I could say it were.
Private messages convinced the DEV's that enough people were against it and got the Droid Commander profession cancelled.
Actually, it was 'noise' on these very forums that likely caused the change, not PMs.
Private messages can get the current direction of Droid Engineering changed dispite the strangehold the pure crafters have on the forum.
Two items:
1) No they can't.
2) The "pure" crafters don't have a stranglehold on anything. I see all types of info from a lot of different types of players on the DE boards. True, there are some that don't want a hybrid profession. There are some that do. Trying to build a PM campaign won't make THAT go away, man.
If you want to get your style of changes into the game...at least from the standpoint of these forums, I can tell you that rants, campaigns and the like aren't going to garner Dev attention (but may likely turn them FROM paying attention).
Take it where you can make your voice heard and don't waste your time posting it for public debate.
/shakeshishead
I empathize with you, man...I really do. This just isn't gonna do what you think it will do.
/bow
Respectfully,
TheRealTK421 a.k.a. "Doughbacca"SWG DE CorrespondentCo-Founding member of Ahazi DENet & SWG DEA (Droid Engineer Association)"I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. ...I'm certainly not. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."
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Pallida
Joined: 25 Sep 2022
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:53 am Post subject:
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Kollos wrote:
ArdenStarmariner wrote:
Private messages convinced the DEV's that enough people were against it and got the Droid Commander profession cancelled.
No, it was the lone gunman working out of his private spaceship in Area 51.
What about that fella on the Grassy Knoll? *points uphill*
- Account: Master TKA (cancelled)
- Account: Master Doctor (cancelled)
- Account: Smuggler (cancelled)
- Account: Master Chef (cancelled)
- Account: Master Droid Engineer (activity suspended pending developments)
Total loss of annual revenue (SOE): ~$715US to ~$900US
- Bad press: Priceless
Should Sony and Lucas Arts be worried? (15000 users * 5 accts = ~$13MIL in potential lost gross annual revenue) If I were the CEO for either LA or SOE, I would certainly be worried.
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ArdenStarmariner
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:04 pm Post subject:
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Talk about alot of negative feedback from those who are so certain of their majority position on the subject. If your not concerned, then why are hitting the reply button? Or is it your not so certain and you feel the need to engage in supression? If you didn't feel there was a need to defind your advantage, then you would have just bushed over this thread without bothering with it. You would be confident that nothing would come of it.
Grow up? What you really mean is roll over and give up, now don't you? I'm not so easily intimated.
I think people can judge for themselves weither they feel they can continue using the forum and work with the correspondent or not. Also, IMHO the editing of flames might just be a little selective. But that's just my opinion.
Arden Starmariner - Master Jedi, Smugglers' Alliance Privateer Ace - Eclipse.
Nemok Starmariner - Elder Commando - Eclipse.
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Icarus-6
Joined: 25 Sep 2022
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:13 pm Post subject:
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ArdenStarmariner wrote:
...I think people can judge for themselves weither they feel they can continue using the forum and work with the correspondent or not....
I think Garva was pretty clear that using PM was not the way to go.
Tallin Rose Master Droid Engineer Starsider At Tallin Industries we strive ever day to up our standards. Now, up yours.
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Leadhead101
Joined: 25 Sep 2022
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:17 pm Post subject:
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ArdenStarmariner wrote:
I think people can judge for themselves weither they feel they can continue using the forum and work with the correspondent or not. Also, IMHO the editing of flames might just be a little selective. But that's just my opinion.
Lmao! Flamin the admin! neener neener!
They tried to look at the hybrid profession, but it would have unbalanced stuff.
"Nothing would be what it is, Because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise -what it is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?"
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Kollos
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:18 pm Post subject:
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ArdenStarmariner wrote:
Talk about alot of negative feedback from those who are so certain of their majority position on the subject. If your not concerned, then why are hitting the reply button? Or is it your not so certain and you feel the need to engage in supression? If you didn't feel there was a need to defind your advantage, then you would have just bushed over this thread without bothering with it. You would be confident that nothing would come of it.
I think people can judge for themselves weither they feel they can continue using the forum and work with the correspondent or not. Also, IMHO the editing of flames might just be a little selective. But that's just my opinion.
Your first paragraph was fine. Had that been the extent of your post, I would have ignored it.
I responded to the blatant lie that was the second paragraph. If you simply used facts and concrete evidence instead of these blatant lies and fanciful conspiracy theories, you'd have a lot better luck with your arguments.
Your problem with the admins is that you don't even understand the difference between a flame (what you do) and and argument (what the rest of us do). Leave the personal attacks completely out of your posts - including all the snide comments and allusions to conspiracies against you - and you'd be fine.
We all understand that you're frustrated and upset, but your attitudeis just making your problems worse. Message Edited by Kollos on 02-26-2004 11:24 AM
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TheRealTK421
Joined: 25 Sep 2022
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:22 pm Post subject:
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ArdenStarmariner wrote:
Talk about alot of negative feedback from those who are so certain of their majority position on the subject.
It's not just a lot of us DEs that think we are in the majority. The poll I made bears that out. I think in the end itwas something like a 200:3 ratio of thoseagainst/for aDC/DH profession.
I am notcertain where the larger community lies on the question of trying tohybrid with >CL10 combat droids but Ididn'twrite a poll for that since the Devs indicated this was a less....desirable (and maybe not workable) solution.
Err....let me rephrase that last part.
It's not that it CAN'T be done. It may be that they are unwilling (and simply will not to) do it because of thetime/money and work involved to bring that sort of solution to bear.
I happen to think that hybrid solution might work well...but not if we have to wait 10x's longer for it (and stay basically in the same place the whole time because we 'stamped our foot').
If your not concerned, then why are hitting the reply button?
I'm guessing there's some of uswould like to try to convince you that you're better off to usehoney to get flies than using vinegar.
Or is it your not so certain and you feel the need to engage in supression?
My poll..and the sentiments/opinions I see on the boardstell me all that I need to know. I don't think anythingneeds to be suppressed. The DE forum-goers' voice seems fairly set onmany things, to me. Are there players that would a different future 'vision' of what DEsshould be?
Sure...............we allhave that.
The issue is getting to aunified vision of where weshould 'go' that's important. An individualized PM campaign wouldcause a MUCHgreater amount of confusion and communication problems,not solve them.
If you didn't feel there was a need to defind your advantage, then you would have just bushed over this thread without bothering with it. You would be confident that nothing would come of it.
I'm already confident that nothing will come of it (whether I reply or not). I guess I'm more trying to see if we can get you join the camp of "play nice" instead of "flame away". In the not to recent past, we tried the latter...and it didn't seem to work.
The former is, I have to say, seeming to produce results (as best as I can tell).
Grow up? What you really mean is roll over and give up, now don't you? I'm not so easily intimated.
Well..you might well have to roll over and give up, at least on some of your 'visions' for our profession. I know I have had to do that.
They can't give us ALL what we want...no matter how loudly (or how often) we scream for it. If we don't try to get some compromise and unification, I can almost guarantee you that none of us will like where we end up going.
I think people can judge for themselves weither they feel they can continue using the forum and work with the correspondent or not.
The impression that I get (from reading almost everything on the DE boards) is that most people don't agree with your stance. So, I guess they HAVE judged.
Also, IMHO the editing of flames might just be a little selective. But that's just my opinion.
Consider yourself lucky...I once got a 3-day ban. It could always be worse. 
/bow
Respectfully,
TheRealTK421 a.k.a. "Doughbacca"SWG DE CorrespondentCo-Founding member of Ahazi DENet & SWG DEA (Droid Engineer Association)"I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. ...I'm certainly not. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."
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Kollos
Joined: 25 Sep 2022
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:24 pm Post subject:
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ArdenStarmariner wrote:
Weither or not, private messages is the way to go, its the way I'm going and the way I'll tell anyone I see here being attacked by the same pack of jackles that go after anyone posting anything thats the least bit outside their view point. I'm not giving up expressing my opinion about droid engineering and the direction its going or should go. But I'm tired of fending off the same bunch of hyenia and tired of see them run off anyone else that does like wise post an opinion or suggestion thats not perfectly in line with their position. And I'm tired of seeing their flames go unedited and unchallenged while any return fire gets sequelched.
I'd be more than happy to hash over and discuss ideas with you are any of the other old posters that I have come to know and respect. But not via private message and not in the open forum.
You just don't get it, do you? You're the one with the excessively narrow viewpoint. The rest of us here are discussing all kinds of options from combat droids to combat modules to cert systems to new professions. You, on the other hand, flame anyone who doesn't want Droid Engineer to be a hybrid profession. And then you rant and rave about how the people who are being constructive are some kind of mysterious group that's out to oppress you.
You know what else you don't get? You were edited by an Admin because your post was purely a flame. It was an off-topic rant that couldn't be construed as constructive in any way. You want to know why the rest of us don't get edited for responding to you? Because what we're doing is not flaming. We're trying to get you to be reasonable and participate in the constructive discussions that are going on, but evidently you're just not interested in being constructive.
BTW, it's going to be kinda hard to have a discussion with anyone "but not via private message and not in the open forum."
Kollos Orcslayer : Master Droid Engineer : Master Artisan
Droids by Kollos -840, 3980 Seacht, Naboo (NW of Keren)
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ArdenStarmariner
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:36 am Post subject:
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TK, thanks for the civil response. Your one of the few old timers around. And one of the few people here I actually respect. Have always enjoyed your post.
Weither or not, private messages is the way to go, its the way I'm going and the way I'll tell anyone I see here being attacked by the same pack of jackles that go after anyone posting anything thats the least bit outside their view point. I'm not giving up expressing my opinion about droid engineering and the direction its going or should go. But I'm tired of fending off the same bunch of hyenia and tired of see them run off anyone else that does like wise post an opinion or suggestion thats not perfectly in line with their position. And I'm tired of seeing their flames go unedited and unchallenged while any return fire gets sequelched.
I'd be more than happy to hash over and discuss ideas with you are any of the other old posters that I have come to know and respect. But not via private message and not in the open forum.
Arden Starmariner - Master Jedi, Smugglers' Alliance Privateer Ace - Eclipse.
Nemok Starmariner - Elder Commando - Eclipse.
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duncje
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:45 am Post subject:
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ArdenStarmariner wrote:
I'd be more than happy to hash over and discuss ideas with you are any of the other old posters that I have come to know and respect. But not via private message and not in the open forum.
You won't accept a conversation by PM, but you expect the Devs to? LOL.
Arden, a lot of us would listen to you if you provided constructive, positive posts, even if they weren't what we personally thought was best for this profession. But your posts come off as flaming, unconstructive rants.You make personal attacks on our correspondent, becauseof your beliefs that he's preaching his views on the correspondent forums, when you have no hard evidence to back it up.Drashk is doing his best to pursuethe best interests of the majority of DE'sin these forums.
This is why you're being told to "grow up".
Make constructive posts that provide your opinions, don't resort to flaming and personal attacks...
Message Edited by duncje on 02-26-2004 01:53 PM
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