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Thread: GameZone SWG player's review Feb. 26

JibbyJedi
Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:04 am
#1

Sorry to troll guys, but we BH's need u too. This was published today, it's long but some of you might agree with it.


GameZone letter to the editor Feb 26, 2004

Sirgleno
Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:57 am
#2

I'll agree with this one, but couldn't you at least throw in a token "hang in there" to the DEs? you are using our forum for your propaganda after all.
Although I don't have such a bleak view of the whole thing, I sure agree that the skeleton crew needs to be fleshed out, heh.



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JibbyJedi
Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:02 am
#3

HANG IN THERE DE's!!


I can only hope you guys stick around and hold out thru all these hard times. Without u guys, the BHs can't function. We can also sympathise with a lot of things you're going thru. I don't love the fact that I haven't bought a Seeker in 5 months, it's a good bug for me for once, but should seem fairly easy to remedy to fix u guys, IMHO.




JediKnightMark
Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:07 am
#4

Well you could help me out by tellin all your bloodfin BHs to buy from my BH Droidshop lol



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Zocima
Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:31 pm
#5

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear enough about the boasting comment.

You're not boasting IN the article, you're boasting by posting the fact
that the article is on that page at all.

I understand that is not a "PC" essay, as you put it. That's nothing new.
As if there aren't enough negative comments about the game out there to
read. It's the intelligent well thought out ones that bring the good and
the bad to light that are the tough ones to find.

Let us say that some SOE suit or a Dev did go to read your walkthrough.
What would they take away from it?

"This guy is kind of upset about the way BH was after release. OK. We have
a whole forum full of that."

This is my point. Why did you post the link here? It has nothing to do with
us. It doesn't do anything to make us feel appreciated. I spent time reading
about BH problems that don't affect me. Plus, as far as I know from the article,
they could be fixed already.

Why would any DE care?

That's why it seems like nothing but bragging about the fact that you wrote this
thing that some sight chose to post.



~~ Senor ~~
Ghetto-Fish Enterprises

MCarbineer, MFencer, Commando
CorSec Pilot

Enjoying the challenge and dynamic that the CU has brought.
AudioOrgana
Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:40 pm
#6






Zocima wrote:
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear enough about the boasting comment.

You're not boasting IN the article, you're boasting by posting the fact
that the article is on that page at all.

I understand that is not a "PC" essay, as you put it. That's nothing new.
As if there aren't enough negative comments about the game out there to
read. It's the intelligent well thought out ones that bring the good and
the bad to light that are the tough ones to find.

Let us say that some SOE suit or a Dev did go to read your walkthrough.
What would they take away from it?

"This guy is kind of upset about the way BH was after release. OK. We have
a whole forum full of that."

This is my point. Why did you post the link here? It has nothing to do with
us. It doesn't do anything to make us feel appreciated. I spent time reading
about BH problems that don't affect me. Plus, as far as I know from the article,
they could be fixed already.

Why would any DE care?

That's why it seems like nothing but bragging about the fact that you wrote this
thing that some sight chose to post.




Well I'm glad he posted it, because it is very accurate.


SOE's machinations have been opaque at best, blatantly and painfully obvious at worst.


I hate to say it (*throws salt over shoulder*) but sometimes I wish Raph was still around - at least his manipulation of the community was amusing, not just depressing as most "hit and runs" by red-names these days.


Audio


Zocima
Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:09 pm
#7

"Well I'm glad he posted it, because it is very accurate."

Audio, I'm sorry, but that's where it falls short.

there are too many assumptions, vague statements, sweeping generalizations,
spiteful jabs, and conflicting/confusing comments in it to be accurate.

In his rebuttal to my first post, he doesn't argue one large point:
"It was full of incomplete and misleading information."

It just seemed overly aggressive in a non-commital way.

"BH was broken!
BH was still broken!
BH wasn't fixed yet!
then they published a bunch of fixes...

(pause)

SWG is all broken!"

/shrug

Maybe it made some sort of clear statement about the game that I'm just missing.

I don't think so, though.



~~ Senor ~~
Ghetto-Fish Enterprises

MCarbineer, MFencer, Commando
CorSec Pilot

Enjoying the challenge and dynamic that the CU has brought.
AudioOrgana
Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:22 pm
#8






Zocima wrote:

Maybe it made some sort of clear statement about the game that I'm just missing.

I don't think so, though.





Reading it from an objective, non-player standpoint I'd partially agree with you.


But as someone who has watched and participated in this game since beta, just about everything he said made perfect sense because I've seen it all myself.


There was lots of BH talk that I did not identify with - not a BH, never gonna be one. It was the attitudes of the Developers that the BH problems are a symptom of that I found quite telling.


It may not be great journalism (it was simply a letter to the editor, after all), but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think most of what he said was spot-on.


Audio
TheRealTK421
Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:28 pm
#9






AudioOrgana wrote:


It may not be great journalism (it was simply a letter to the editor, after all), but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think most of what he said was spot-on.


Audio




I'd agree that a lot of what was stated sounded familiar.

It's my personal feeling that somewhere......somehow.....the focus on the number of SWG subscriptions eclipsed the focus on making the best possible product/service. I would state that focusing on the latter would take care of the former.

In that regard, I think that the reviewer did a good job voicing concerns about what's been done, development-wise, so far.

It makes me sad, really. I know that this probably isn't quite the SWG that we had all hoped it would be (at this point) so many moons ago.

However...........it is getting better and better, bit by bit (double-pun, anyone?)


/bow

Respectfully,






TheRealTK421 a.k.a. "Doughbacca"
SWG DE Correspondent
Co-Founding member of Ahazi DENet & SWG DEA (Droid Engineer Association)
"I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. ...I'm certainly not. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."


Zocima
Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:30 pm
#10

I understand that perfectly, Audio. I've been around since
release, so I've been through it all, too.

I admitted in my first post that I agree with many of his
points. I was questioning the overall usefulness of the letter,
that all. It seems a bit schizophrenic.

My main question/comment was about the purpose of it being
posted in the DE forum.



~~ Senor ~~
Ghetto-Fish Enterprises

MCarbineer, MFencer, Commando
CorSec Pilot

Enjoying the challenge and dynamic that the CU has brought.
GnomeAd
Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:31 pm
#11






JibbyJedi wrote:

I don't love the fact that I haven't bought a Seeker in 5 months, it's a good bug for me for once, but should seem fairly easy to remedy to fix u guys, IMHO.







Are you saying that the Seeker/Probe droid bug hasn't been fixed yet?

TheRealTK421
Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:34 pm
#12






GnomeAd wrote:





JibbyJedi wrote:

I don't love the fact that I haven't bought a Seeker in 5 months, it's a good bug for me for once, but should seem fairly easy to remedy to fix u guys, IMHO.




Are you saying that the Seeker/Probe droid bug hasn't been fixed yet?





GnomeAd,

I'm 99.9% sure that the BH droid fixes are happening as part of Publish 7 (now on TC).

If someone blue knows otherwise, please let us know.


/bow

Respectfully,






TheRealTK421 a.k.a. "Doughbacca"
SWG DE Correspondent
Co-Founding member of Ahazi DENet & SWG DEA (Droid Engineer Association)
"I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. ...I'm certainly not. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."


LornPavan1
Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:46 pm
#13

Great article. I just hope every Dev, CSR, Yellow and Red SOE rep. reads this. This one article greatly encapsulates the feelings of just one profession, now times that by the other 33.



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