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Saborcoco
Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:44 pm
#1
Why is it that most of the medics now days spend most of the time healing AFK tumblers or buffing people? What happens to the people that really need a medic to heal wounds.... times have defenetly changed......
siros_vazren
Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:36 pm
#2
Heres my thoughts on everything related to medics/docs healing tumblers instead of healing the wounded and/or buffing. Just my thoughts, take them as you will. People have slowing started to get the idea that medics and docs are their slaves. That the only reason medics and docs are there is to jump at their every wish and desire. Wonder why no doc are buffing in CNET on your server? Cause they got tired of people whining of the 'high prices' of buffs and the docs not dropping what they are doing and buffing them 'RIGHT NOW'. I've sat in med centers on three servers, just talking to medics and doctors about the seemingly lack of buffing and healings. Nine out of ten have given me that reasoning in one form or the other. People start to abuse, expect, or demand something of other people. But folks, its a game. The docs and medics are people there to have fun and playa game, not work their second job of consent buffing and healing of whiny people who alot of times don't thank or tip the ones that do heal. This is what I hear when I speak to medics and docs, and what I experience when I watch some idiot spam 'Where are all the docs, I want a ***king buff NOW.' for twenty minutes outside CNET starport.
Just thoughts and opinions, take them as you will.
S.V.
Master Bio-Engineer, Doctor
Wanderhome
yusonge
Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:17 pm
#3
Easy
1. no respect so kiss my arse
2. Nothank you no tip no nothing get healed an run so kiss my arse again
3. THe rudeness that im your slave so again kiss my arse.
Need more?
Bloodburn
Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:09 pm
#4
When I was a medic I really REALLY wanted to be "the normal medic/doc" which would mean sitting in the med center healing and getting paid for my job.
Saddly that is not the reality in an online game, because most of the players are kids who take many things for granted. Sure the adults that play and some that actually roleplay DO tip and pay, but unfortunatly that is only about 5% of the population.
The result is 95% of the people I was healing as a medic wouldnt tip or pay, and usually wouldnt even say thank you. That really ruins the experience for new players, and/or young medics and discourages them from playing the profession they like or how they wanted. So they see that they way to earn money with thier profession is to buff. So...they want to get to that point asap. No point in leveling by doing thier job if they dont get any payment for it like combat people do when they run missions. Might as well do it as fast as possible to get paid.
The only suggestion I can give that might remedy this problem nowadays is:
OFFER MONEY beforehand for healing, DONT rely on automatically getting healed while sitting in the med center. Instead go in, sit down and /say or /yell "Paying $___ credits beforehand if someone starts healing me!"
What you will get is a medic that, if not AFK, will come to you and either ask for the money to heal, or start healing you once and waiting for a payment. Make the payment, and they will continue to heal. Try coming at it like real life. You pay the doctors a co-payment before you even see them. Give the medics a little incentive to heal you, dont leave it up to a guessing game for them thinking "Gee I hope they tip me" That gives them no incentive.
You can even apply this to real life. When at a resturant, why would you tip the waiter AFTER dinner? That is giving them money for them doing nothing that got them motivated, instead, when they first arrive, and take your drink order, tip them THEN, that will make them WANT to serve you better because you cut through all the bull and put your money and faith in thier service.
Saddly that is not the reality in an online game, because most of the players are kids who take many things for granted. Sure the adults that play and some that actually roleplay DO tip and pay, but unfortunatly that is only about 5% of the population.
The result is 95% of the people I was healing as a medic wouldnt tip or pay, and usually wouldnt even say thank you. That really ruins the experience for new players, and/or young medics and discourages them from playing the profession they like or how they wanted. So they see that they way to earn money with thier profession is to buff. So...they want to get to that point asap. No point in leveling by doing thier job if they dont get any payment for it like combat people do when they run missions. Might as well do it as fast as possible to get paid.
The only suggestion I can give that might remedy this problem nowadays is:
OFFER MONEY beforehand for healing, DONT rely on automatically getting healed while sitting in the med center. Instead go in, sit down and /say or /yell "Paying $___ credits beforehand if someone starts healing me!"
What you will get is a medic that, if not AFK, will come to you and either ask for the money to heal, or start healing you once and waiting for a payment. Make the payment, and they will continue to heal. Try coming at it like real life. You pay the doctors a co-payment before you even see them. Give the medics a little incentive to heal you, dont leave it up to a guessing game for them thinking "Gee I hope they tip me" That gives them no incentive.
You can even apply this to real life. When at a resturant, why would you tip the waiter AFTER dinner? That is giving them money for them doing nothing that got them motivated, instead, when they first arrive, and take your drink order, tip them THEN, that will make them WANT to serve you better because you cut through all the bull and put your money and faith in thier service.
Message Edited by Bloodburn on 09-24-2004 08:14 PM
Rudoku
Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:46 pm
#5
Did anyone notice that the topic creator was a retard spamming? Look at it's other threads.
Thunderbyte
Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:33 am
#6
yusonge wrote:
Easy
1. no respect so kiss my arse
2. Nothank you no tip no nothing get healed an run so kiss my arse again
3. THe rudeness that im your slave so again kiss my arse.
Need more?
Well you sure are brutally honest today.....hehe, can't say I blame you though 
if someone needs a heal they should just ask a doc or medic for one, even offer up some money I bet you won't find too many docs that would turn that down, even if they don't need the money it shows respect.
Malak_Darklord
Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:02 am
#7
I just got Master Doc a few days ago, however this is not another random "I'm Master Doc, ya me everybody clap for me" bla bla bla.
One, I offer the solution to my eternal quests for buffs and heals. Master Doc/TKM. I heal my own damn wounds, and I buff my own damn self without relying on somebody else.
Two. About the people who don't tip when I heal them. I'm not hard up for money. I make enough to get by, and when I'm not buffing and need money, I get in a solo, buff myself, and run missions till I'm 700k-1MIL in pocket.
Three. We, as doctors/medics are not slaves. We are not here to kiss your asses, or bow to your every whim as you spam hopelessly that you want a buff. Because you are crying on a deaf ear and a shoulder that wishes you would back the f'k off and find your own damn heals and buffs. If you are not willing to pay the price, then by all means, I implore you to find somebody who is buffing for better prices and stats.
Just to give all the non-doc people who may wander on to this thread some idea of what goes down here are a few things:
If you do not make your own buffs, you usually end up hunting down a good vendor that is actually SOMEWHAT stocked (because everybody is off grinding JEDI) so you drop about 350-800k for buff packs that will hopefully last you a good while. After that, you have to go pick up a crate (or two I would recommend) of Bivoli. 200k a crate. Then, if you think you are going to have a long line, you might as well pick up at least a crate of Havla. Thats another 200k. After that, you get to pick up a med droid when you first start out, and some good clothes. All in all, the droid and clothing should run you a one time fee of around 40-50k. Want to be able to buff whenever without worrying about your mind getting f'ked over? Might as well pick up a crate or two of good Brandy. (200-250k). After that, you'll want to pick up droid batteries because your droid will run out of juice relatively fast if you find yourself swamped by people. Those are usually inexpensive. Bazaar time for those.
Now once you have spent all that money just to start buffing as a master doc (because the only buffs anybody will take a look are only usable by those with a 91 med use basically, so that means master doc for yourself unless your mod'd to the friggin max.) you have to find a good spot to set up shop. And then you become a "spammer" . but its spam people enjoy. Because you are all junkies and you need your fix. You need it badly, and you need it NOW.
But you don't like it when the doc doesn't offer line jumps, or charges "too much". So you flame him on a board or start running around screaming assinine bs like "Don't pay this doc, he's stupid" or some bs.
Some docs offer Buff on call. That'll run you, at the very least I've seen, 50k a buff. So let's say the doc in question happens to be a tkm. Like myself. You give him a call and he comes a running. Because hey, you're paying him the 50k to buff you wherever you are when you started running low and needed your fix. Let's say the doc is on Tatooine for some god forsaken reason, and you are Datooine. That's around 8k in travel charges, plus travel to wherever you happen to be. Let's round it off to a good 10k. You're 50k prize for this doc has now basically dropped to 40k. The bike he was riding to get to you - that will need some repair depending on where you are.
Was the doc currently in a buff session? Were you kind enough to ask? Were you human enough to care? Or was it all about you, you you.
Ok, so I started to ramble for a bit but most of you see where I was headed with that.
I have no solutions to fix the mentality of those who play this game. You deal with them. I had to deal with someone named "Flora'" who eventually found her way into my ignore list only to have one of her friends tell me to take her off. So I did. She started with her same old bs. "What are you doing?" "I'm going to some missions, need xp.." "Oh cool. I mean, like I care." Spam Tells to me saying stupid things. Same with a few other people.
Long story short, I ignored her. If you ignore those who are ruining the game long enough, they will all get the picture. Or leave. One or the other. Doesn't matter to me.
If it's lower prices these people want, they can all find people with lower prices. We as Doctors need not lower our prices so we MIGHT get somebody interested. We are here not to server, but to help. And when that help is abused, then the person who abused the help deserves NO help at all.
I am a Master Doc. I buff who I want, where I want, when I want to and charge however much I feel my services are worth at the time.
If you don't like, then why don't you become a f'kin Master Doc or a TKM so you can heal your own damn wounds and buff yourself for FREE.
Otherwise, go somewhere else.
One, I offer the solution to my eternal quests for buffs and heals. Master Doc/TKM. I heal my own damn wounds, and I buff my own damn self without relying on somebody else.
Two. About the people who don't tip when I heal them. I'm not hard up for money. I make enough to get by, and when I'm not buffing and need money, I get in a solo, buff myself, and run missions till I'm 700k-1MIL in pocket.
Three. We, as doctors/medics are not slaves. We are not here to kiss your asses, or bow to your every whim as you spam hopelessly that you want a buff. Because you are crying on a deaf ear and a shoulder that wishes you would back the f'k off and find your own damn heals and buffs. If you are not willing to pay the price, then by all means, I implore you to find somebody who is buffing for better prices and stats.
Just to give all the non-doc people who may wander on to this thread some idea of what goes down here are a few things:
If you do not make your own buffs, you usually end up hunting down a good vendor that is actually SOMEWHAT stocked (because everybody is off grinding JEDI) so you drop about 350-800k for buff packs that will hopefully last you a good while. After that, you have to go pick up a crate (or two I would recommend) of Bivoli. 200k a crate. Then, if you think you are going to have a long line, you might as well pick up at least a crate of Havla. Thats another 200k. After that, you get to pick up a med droid when you first start out, and some good clothes. All in all, the droid and clothing should run you a one time fee of around 40-50k. Want to be able to buff whenever without worrying about your mind getting f'ked over? Might as well pick up a crate or two of good Brandy. (200-250k). After that, you'll want to pick up droid batteries because your droid will run out of juice relatively fast if you find yourself swamped by people. Those are usually inexpensive. Bazaar time for those.
Now once you have spent all that money just to start buffing as a master doc (because the only buffs anybody will take a look are only usable by those with a 91 med use basically, so that means master doc for yourself unless your mod'd to the friggin max.) you have to find a good spot to set up shop. And then you become a "spammer" . but its spam people enjoy. Because you are all junkies and you need your fix. You need it badly, and you need it NOW.
But you don't like it when the doc doesn't offer line jumps, or charges "too much". So you flame him on a board or start running around screaming assinine bs like "Don't pay this doc, he's stupid" or some bs.
Some docs offer Buff on call. That'll run you, at the very least I've seen, 50k a buff. So let's say the doc in question happens to be a tkm. Like myself. You give him a call and he comes a running. Because hey, you're paying him the 50k to buff you wherever you are when you started running low and needed your fix. Let's say the doc is on Tatooine for some god forsaken reason, and you are Datooine. That's around 8k in travel charges, plus travel to wherever you happen to be. Let's round it off to a good 10k. You're 50k prize for this doc has now basically dropped to 40k. The bike he was riding to get to you - that will need some repair depending on where you are.
Was the doc currently in a buff session? Were you kind enough to ask? Were you human enough to care? Or was it all about you, you you.
Ok, so I started to ramble for a bit but most of you see where I was headed with that.
I have no solutions to fix the mentality of those who play this game. You deal with them. I had to deal with someone named "Flora'" who eventually found her way into my ignore list only to have one of her friends tell me to take her off. So I did. She started with her same old bs. "What are you doing?" "I'm going to some missions, need xp.." "Oh cool. I mean, like I care." Spam Tells to me saying stupid things. Same with a few other people.
Long story short, I ignored her. If you ignore those who are ruining the game long enough, they will all get the picture. Or leave. One or the other. Doesn't matter to me.
If it's lower prices these people want, they can all find people with lower prices. We as Doctors need not lower our prices so we MIGHT get somebody interested. We are here not to server, but to help. And when that help is abused, then the person who abused the help deserves NO help at all.
I am a Master Doc. I buff who I want, where I want, when I want to and charge however much I feel my services are worth at the time.
If you don't like, then why don't you become a f'kin Master Doc or a TKM so you can heal your own damn wounds and buff yourself for FREE.
Otherwise, go somewhere else.
Marzuk147
Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:41 am
#8
This IMO is a big problem, and is caused by several things, and made worse by others.
1) Who needs doctors for wound healing, when a 15 point novice medic can heal most wounds adequately in 2 shots? This may change with combat revamp but I dont see many wounded people running around anymore, and what I do see isnt large. People wont value docs healing wounds until its the difference between an hour in the med center, and in and out in 5 minutes consistantly.
2) No pay for docs, and no quests. Even entertainers have quests. ALL professions are geared to make money while filling a role. Doctors however are not paid for this role, and are often mistreated. Sure if you are an uber combat type (not pointing fingers, I am a TKM / Doc and make upwards of 700k an hour on janta missions) then money doesnt mean much to you, but NO ONE i know enjoys feeling used and unappriceated.
3) Doctors have to deal with people directly, and therefore do not have the luxury of letting their vendor speak for them. What docs do does not make people uber (aside from buffing) we simply take care of an annoying game mechanic for most people, so they resent spending money on us.
4) Doctors have been reduced to the buffwhores of the galaxy. People resent the fact that they "cant hunt without buffs" that they have to wait in line for half an hour for because there are constantly fewer and fewer docs. What they really mean of course is that they can not play god without them but thats a different story.
Personally, Id be happy healing wounds and getting a 500-1000cr tip for an average wounded person, and a hello, thanks and take care. Problem is the majority of people WONT EVEN SAY HELLO TO ME, let alone tip me for the resources and time that I put in their med pack.
Again, money is NOT the issue here, its feeling used and abused, which only a moron enjoys. At least a little polite conversation and a small tip defrays costs and shows that they value and respect what we are doing.
If someone were to send me a tell something like Hello Doc, Im heavily wounded over here, and would be really glad if you could help get me out of here before I fall asleep, throw you a tip too what do you say
Id garauntee that myself, and a good number of docs who carry woundpacks, would respond favorably to that.
Keep in mind however, that some docs feel a combination of bieng both abused and not needed for anything but buffing, that they do not carry woundpacks, which is simply an unfortunate thing.
I have had so many poor experiances as a doc over the 6 months that I have been one that I am almost one of those docs that doesnt carry wound packs. As an example one time I had 4 people come in bragging about how they just made 200k each hunting on such and such planet, bragging away. All were very heavily wounded, and I healed them all completely and quickly. I did not even get a small tip. Hello McFly you just earned almost a million credits collectively, toss a dog a frigging bone here.
1) Who needs doctors for wound healing, when a 15 point novice medic can heal most wounds adequately in 2 shots? This may change with combat revamp but I dont see many wounded people running around anymore, and what I do see isnt large. People wont value docs healing wounds until its the difference between an hour in the med center, and in and out in 5 minutes consistantly.
2) No pay for docs, and no quests. Even entertainers have quests. ALL professions are geared to make money while filling a role. Doctors however are not paid for this role, and are often mistreated. Sure if you are an uber combat type (not pointing fingers, I am a TKM / Doc and make upwards of 700k an hour on janta missions) then money doesnt mean much to you, but NO ONE i know enjoys feeling used and unappriceated.
3) Doctors have to deal with people directly, and therefore do not have the luxury of letting their vendor speak for them. What docs do does not make people uber (aside from buffing) we simply take care of an annoying game mechanic for most people, so they resent spending money on us.
4) Doctors have been reduced to the buffwhores of the galaxy. People resent the fact that they "cant hunt without buffs" that they have to wait in line for half an hour for because there are constantly fewer and fewer docs. What they really mean of course is that they can not play god without them but thats a different story.
Personally, Id be happy healing wounds and getting a 500-1000cr tip for an average wounded person, and a hello, thanks and take care. Problem is the majority of people WONT EVEN SAY HELLO TO ME, let alone tip me for the resources and time that I put in their med pack.
Again, money is NOT the issue here, its feeling used and abused, which only a moron enjoys. At least a little polite conversation and a small tip defrays costs and shows that they value and respect what we are doing.
If someone were to send me a tell something like Hello Doc, Im heavily wounded over here, and would be really glad if you could help get me out of here before I fall asleep, throw you a tip too what do you say
Id garauntee that myself, and a good number of docs who carry woundpacks, would respond favorably to that.Keep in mind however, that some docs feel a combination of bieng both abused and not needed for anything but buffing, that they do not carry woundpacks, which is simply an unfortunate thing.
I have had so many poor experiances as a doc over the 6 months that I have been one that I am almost one of those docs that doesnt carry wound packs. As an example one time I had 4 people come in bragging about how they just made 200k each hunting on such and such planet, bragging away. All were very heavily wounded, and I healed them all completely and quickly. I did not even get a small tip. Hello McFly you just earned almost a million credits collectively, toss a dog a frigging bone here.
Message Edited by Marzuk147 on 09-25-2004 08:46 AM
siros_vazren
Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:10 pm
#9
Glad to know I understood and posted correctly the almost universal feeling of docs.
And yet, the post starter is a spammer and a whiner, imo.
Thats all I wanted to add,
S.V.
Master Bio-Engineer, Doctor
Wanderhome
Death_Dealer
Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:50 pm
#10
wow. . . embittered . . thats what I have to look foward to I guess.
I keep wound packs on me, and every once in a while ill go to mos eisely and sit in the med center and heal noobits, they tend to be more appreciatve then the people who just made 700k doing janta.
yusonge
Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:13 pm
#11
Death_Dealer wrote:
wow. . . embittered . . thats what I have to look foward to I guess.
I keep wound packs on me, and every once in a while ill go to mos eisely and sit in the med center and heal noobits, they tend to be more appreciatve then the people who just made 700k doing janta.
I like you heal when i want to. When i wish to roleplay my class. I refuse or ignore most requests for the fact of what i stated earlier.
Legende
Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:00 pm
#12
Why do Medic and Doctors ignore the wounded? Blame yourselves for not treating us with respect. I would go into further detail, but I believe there are a couple posts already in this thread that clearly demonstrate the point. Master Doctor since August 03, but I still heal people... I enjoy healing people, but it does start to get on the nerves when I'm treated like I have an obligation to heal someone. And when people post threads in the Doctor forum about "Medic Ethics" when it should be us posting in the server forums about "Patient Ethics".
JosiahSkurlock
Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:15 pm
#13
Being a somewhat new Master Doctor, I have finally taken my tag down. I was sitting in my city, helping defend the outpost, and some "person" /tells me and demands a buff. My reply was simple, "hell no." Then he starts cussing me out, abusing me verbally, telling me that I'm lazy and that only Doctor's that buff their guild are stupid and other baloney. The simple matter was, I only had a few buffpacks on me and didn't want to use one of the tiny amount I had. He took it personally and it went on continuously, until I finally ignored him. Now, usually I'm a nice guy, but when people jump the gun and start to berate me or belittle me, that upsets me greatly. Needless to say, him and his guild are on my black list. I will buff/heal/etc to whoever, as long as you aren't overt, or stupid. If I just spammed my price and you ask me how much for a buff, I'm gonna let you wait till my spam pops back up. If you don't like my buffs or their duration, go find someone else. I try to give people a nice experience. If they don't like it, screw em.
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