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Thread: Medical Ethics
Marzuk147 wrote:
This IMO is a big problem, and is caused by several things, and made worse by others.
1) Who needs doctors for wound healing, when a 15 point novice medic can heal most wounds adequately in 2 shots? This may change with combat revamp but I dont see many wounded people running around anymore, and what I do see isnt large. People wont value docs healing wounds until its the difference between an hour in the med center, and in and out in 5 minutes consistantly.
Maybe it's just me, but I always viewed wound healing as primarily a medics job, so I see no problem with a Novice medic being able to heal wounds quickly if he/she is using high quality wound packs(which most likely were made by a doctor)
2) No pay for docs, and no quests. Even entertainers have quests. ALL professions are geared to make money while filling a role. Doctors however are not paid for this role, and are often mistreated. Sure if you are an uber combat type (not pointing fingers, I am a TKM / Doc and make upwards of 700k an hour on janta missions) then money doesnt mean much to you, but NO ONE i know enjoys feeling used and unappriceated.
As a doctor I make plenty of money just performing normal doctor duties. Yes, that does involve buffing sometimes, but I get a suprising amount of requests just for curing diseases and poisons, and even bringing people back from the edge of death. When I don't feel like buffing, I just craft some basic medicines for Novice Medics to help keep them alive in the field. All of these things should be considered doctor activities, and they provide about 95% of my main characters income.
3) Doctors have to deal with people directly, and therefore do not have the luxury of letting their vendor speak for them. What docs do does not make people uber (aside from buffing) we simply take care of an annoying game mechanic for most people, so they resent spending money on us.
The ability to buff a players stats prior to battle is not confined to SWG, it's more like a part of most RPGs. Most other RPGs I play don't always allow the overall HAM to be increased, however during combat a whole series of defenses can usually be applied at the cost of usually some type of item and one round of combat for the character applying the "buff". I see nothing wrong with SWGs version of this system, it's nothing new to this type of game.
4) Doctors have been reduced to the buffwhores of the galaxy. People resent the fact that they "cant hunt without buffs" that they have to wait in line for half an hour for because there are constantly fewer and fewer docs. What they really mean of course is that they can not play god without them but thats a different story.
Well I certainly wouldn't expect Smugglers to be the "buffwhores" of the galaxy, lol. I can honestly say that 99% of my customers are very gratefull and usually don't mind waiting for a buff, or at least they don't blame me for it. And as far as needing a buff to play god....we will eventually have a combat balance that will bring these buffs to more of a realistic level, even for a game as unrealistic as this one
Personally, Id be happy healing wounds and getting a 500-1000cr tip for an average wounded person, and a hello, thanks and take care. Problem is the majority of people WONT EVEN SAY HELLO TO ME, let alone tip me for the resources and time that I put in their med pack.
Again, money is NOT the issue here, its feeling used and abused, which only a moron enjoys. At least a little polite conversation and a small tip defrays costs and shows that they value and respect what we are doing.
If someone were to send me a tell something like Hello Doc, Im heavily wounded over here, and would be really glad if you could help get me out of here before I fall asleep, throw you a tip too what do you sayId garauntee that myself, and a good number of docs who carry woundpacks, would respond favorably to that.
Keep in mind however, that some docs feel a combination of bieng both abused and not needed for anything but buffing, that they do not carry woundpacks, which is simply an unfortunate thing.
If someone decides to become a doctor just to help them perform better at another profession, then I say that's great...whatever makes the game experience more fun for them. I can't help buf feel that your line of logic would change if you applied it to another profession, like say...smuggler. Let's say that a smuggler doesn't want to slice weapons for other people...does that make him/her unfortunate? People choose professions based on what they want to do, people do not do something based on what thier profession says they must do.
I have had so many poor experiances as a doc over the 6 months that I have been one that I am almost one of those docs that doesnt carry wound packs. As an example one time I had 4 people come in bragging about how they just made 200k each hunting on such and such planet, bragging away. All were very heavily wounded, and I healed them all completely and quickly. I did not even get a small tip. Hello McFly you just earned almost a million credits collectively, toss a dog a frigging bone here.
And like-wise I can tell people that I just made half a million credits by helping people, without damage to my 250k suit of armor or my 100k Uber weapon.....once again if you use your profession correctly you should be able to made a decent living for yourself (unless your a politician, LOL).
Probably just you. The medic line is centered around healing damage. First aid allows you to heal more damage, diagnostics allows you to heal damage faster. The doctor on the other hand has 2 lines geared specifically towards wound treatment / wound treatment speed. Of course those mods effect buffing as well, but it doesnt say buff effect and buff treatment speed, it says WOUND.
"As a doctor I make plenty of money just performing normal doctor duties. Yes, that does involve buffing sometimes, but I get a suprising amount of requests just for curing diseases and poisons, and even bringing people back from the edge of death. When I don't feel like buffing, I just craft some basic medicines for Novice Medics to help keep them alive in the field. All of these things should be considered doctor activities, and they provide about 95% of my main characters income."
Well, what can I say - people wont pay me for anything but buffing, tips are very very rare for wound healing, and Im more of a city doc meaning I dont go out and PvP ect, so I dont usually encounter people needing a rez or a state cure for the most part.
"The ability to buff a players stats prior to battle is not confined to SWG, it's more like a part of most RPGs. Most other RPGs I play don't always allow the overall HAM to be increased, however during combat a whole series of defenses can usually be applied at the cost of usually some type of item and one round of combat for the character applying the "buff". I see nothing wrong with SWGs version of this system, it's nothing new to this type of game."
You missed my point here. My entire statement that you replied to was relating to NON buffing activities of docs. If for example wound cures took no med useage, and people bought them from a vendor, people would be used to paying to have wounds healed. Instead, people expect to have wounds healed for free, because another person does it for them. Thats what I was getting at.
"Well I certainly wouldn't expect Smugglers to be the "buffwhores" of the galaxy, lol. I can honestly say that 99% of my customers are very gratefull and usually don't mind waiting for a buff, or at least they don't blame me for it."
Ah got it, people dont treat you like crap. Id like to see how you avoid this, but I get wall to wall rude tells and angry people if I have my doc tag up and Im searchable, and this is WITHOUT my having spoken to the person first, so its not something Im saying.
"Let's say that a smuggler doesn't want to slice weapons for other people...does that make him/her unfortunate?"
Again, you missed my point. It WOULD be unfortunate if the smuggler liked slicing weapons for others, but got treated so badly that he decided not to do it. THAT would be unfortunate. Now, if you simply dont want to slice things for other people and you dont, thats fine you have excercised your will to play the game in the way that you see fit, which is great IMO.
"And like-wise I can tell people that I just made half a million credits by helping people, without damage to my 250k suit of armor or my 100k Uber weapon.....once again if you use your profession correctly you should be able to made a decent living for yourself (unless your a politician, LOL)."
Maybe you made that money by selling meds or buffing, but you sure as hell didnt make 500,000 cr in any reasonable amount of time by healing people. Saying "if you use your profession correctly" seems to state that I do not know how to use my proffession, which I can garauntee is not the case.
Message Edited by Marzuk147 on 09-26-2004 04:40 PM
Malak_Darklord wrote:
I just got Master Doc a few days ago, however this is not another random "I'm Master Doc, ya me everybody clap for me" bla bla bla.
One, I offer the solution to my eternal quests for buffs and heals. Master Doc/TKM. I heal my own damn wounds, and I buff my own damn self without relying on somebody else.
Two. About the people who don't tip when I heal them. I'm not hard up for money. I make enough to get by, and when I'm not buffing and need money, I get in a solo, buff myself, and run missions till I'm 700k-1MIL in pocket.
Three. We, as doctors/medics are not slaves. We are not here to kiss your asses, or bow to your every whim as you spam hopelessly that you want a buff. Because you are crying on a deaf ear and a shoulder that wishes you would back the f'k off and find your own damn heals and buffs. If you are not willing to pay the price, then by all means, I implore you to find somebody who is buffing for better prices and stats.
Just to give all the non-doc people who may wander on to this thread some idea of what goes down here are a few things:
If you do not make your own buffs, you usually end up hunting down a good vendor that is actually SOMEWHAT stocked (because everybody is off grinding JEDI) so you drop about 350-800k for buff packs that will hopefully last you a good while. After that, you have to go pick up a crate (or two I would recommend) of Bivoli. 200k a crate. Then, if you think you are going to have a long line, you might as well pick up at least a crate of Havla. Thats another 200k. After that, you get to pick up a med droid when you first start out, and some good clothes. All in all, the droid and clothing should run you a one time fee of around 40-50k. Want to be able to buff whenever without worrying about your mind getting f'ked over? Might as well pick up a crate or two of good Brandy. (200-250k). After that, you'll want to pick up droid batteries because your droid will run out of juice relatively fast if you find yourself swamped by people. Those are usually inexpensive. Bazaar time for those.
Now once you have spent all that money just to start buffing as a master doc (because the only buffs anybody will take a look are only usable by those with a 91 med use basically, so that means master doc for yourself unless your mod'd to the friggin max.) you have to find a good spot to set up shop. And then you become a "spammer" . but its spam people enjoy. Because you are all junkies and you need your fix. You need it badly, and you need it NOW.
But you don't like it when the doc doesn't offer line jumps, or charges "too much". So you flame him on a board or start running around screaming assinine bs like "Don't pay this doc, he's stupid" or some bs.
Some docs offer Buff on call. That'll run you, at the very least I've seen, 50k a buff. So let's say the doc in question happens to be a tkm. Like myself. You give him a call and he comes a running. Because hey, you're paying him the 50k to buff you wherever you are when you started running low and needed your fix. Let's say the doc is on Tatooine for some god forsaken reason, and you are Datooine. That's around 8k in travel charges, plus travel to wherever you happen to be. Let's round it off to a good 10k. You're 50k prize for this doc has now basically dropped to 40k. The bike he was riding to get to you - that will need some repair depending on where you are.
Was the doc currently in a buff session? Were you kind enough to ask? Were you human enough to care? Or was it all about you, you you.
Ok, so I started to ramble for a bit but most of you see where I was headed with that.
I have no solutions to fix the mentality of those who play this game. You deal with them. I had to deal with someone named "Flora'" who eventually found her way into my ignore list only to have one of her friends tell me to take her off. So I did. She started with her same old bs. "What are you doing?" "I'm going to some missions, need xp.." "Oh cool. I mean, like I care." Spam Tells to me saying stupid things. Same with a few other people.
Long story short, I ignored her. If you ignore those who are ruining the game long enough, they will all get the picture. Or leave. One or the other. Doesn't matter to me.
If it's lower prices these people want, they can all find people with lower prices. We as Doctors need not lower our prices so we MIGHT get somebody interested. We are here not to server, but to help. And when that help is abused, then the person who abused the help deserves NO help at all.
I am a Master Doc. I buff who I want, where I want, when I want to and charge however much I feel my services are worth at the time.
If you don't like, then why don't you become a f'kin Master Doc or a TKM so you can heal your own damn wounds and buff yourself for FREE.
Otherwise, go somewhere else.
This is one of the truest posts I have ever read, I salute you......Even when I wasn't a doc, I saw it that way, cheers to you mate.
/Salute
"Now Shutup and give me my dammed buff...LOL, J/K"
Nighter Tradestar
"Friendly Neighborhood Bothan"
TKM/Master Doc in one more skill
COLD
daz007 wrote:The problem is that until these rude ungrateful children try out the MD profession, they will continue to be this way. Two days after mastering doctor I took down the title because of this crap. I dont mind healing the wounded. You can go into the Theed or Coronet med centers on our server these days and its either one of two things: no medics or doctors. Or 5-6 of each all afk and ignoring the wounded healing tumblers. Now when I leveled I did use tumblers, but if someone came in and needed some wounds healed I would jump right up and heal them. Once I ran out of wound packs and told the guy to wait, and I ran to the bank to pick up more packs.( this one tipped me pretty good and I was grateful ) Now a days all you get are afk healers and nobody can get wounds healed. The other day I went to the the Theed med center and one guy was asking for heals ( not demanding them ) and could get no reply for like a half hour from the 5 or 6 medic/doctors in the place so I /yell yeah funny how you cant get healed with all these medics around in a med center. I was ignored by all of them. So I healed the guy and he tipped me 10k and and said " thankyou very much" and left. The only I went into the med center was to try and let someone to heal my wounds for the xp, cause I know these people need it. And if one of them did heal me I would of tipped them nicely even though I can heal them myself, cause I know what its like to be a novice medic/ doctor. I'm sorry if I got a little of topic, but it just shows that the people who have done the profession are more understanding then those who have not.
All i seem to read is how doc are "taking down the title" rude customers etc.
I'm on Sunrunner, been master doc for two+ months now. I'm TKM also but opt to use my doc tag and I'm all over the galaxie.
Don't know what you folks are whining about.
I'm having the time of my (online) life.
captenjonny wrote:
daz007 wrote:
The problem is that until these rude ungrateful children try out the MD profession, they will continue to be this way. Two days after mastering doctor I took down the title because of this crap. I dont mind healing the wounded. You can go into the Theed or Coronet med centers on our server these days and its either one of two things: no medics or doctors. Or 5-6 of each all afk and ignoring the wounded healing tumblers. Now when I leveled I did use tumblers, but if someone came in and needed some wounds healed I would jump right up and heal them. Once I ran out of wound packs and told the guy to wait, and I ran to the bank to pick up more packs.( this one tipped me pretty good and I was grateful ) Now a days all you get are afk healers and nobody can get wounds healed. The other day I went to the the Theed med center and one guy was asking for heals ( not demanding them ) and could get no reply for like a half hour from the 5 or 6 medic/doctors in the place so I /yell yeah funny how you cant get healed with all these medics around in a med center. I was ignored by all of them. So I healed the guy and he tipped me 10k and and said " thankyou very much" and left. The only I went into the med center was to try and let someone to heal my wounds for the xp, cause I know these people need it. And if one of them did heal me I would of tipped them nicely even though I can heal them myself, cause I know what its like to be a novice medic/ doctor. I'm sorry if I got a little of topic, but it just shows that the people who have done the profession are more understanding then those who have not.
All i seem to read is how doc are "taking down the title" rude customers etc.
I'm on Sunrunner, been master doc for two+ months now. I'm TKM also but opt to use my doc tag and I'm all over the galaxie.
Don't know what you folks are whining about.
I'm having the time of my (online) life.
daz007 wrote:
captenjonny wrote:
daz007 wrote:
The problem is that until these rude ungrateful children try out the MD profession, they will continue to be this way. Two days after mastering doctor I took down the title because of this crap. I dont mind healing the wounded. You can go into the Theed or Coronet med centers on our server these days and its either one of two things: no medics or doctors. Or 5-6 of each all afk and ignoring the wounded healing tumblers. Now when I leveled I did use tumblers, but if someone came in and needed some wounds healed I would jump right up and heal them. Once I ran out of wound packs and told the guy to wait, and I ran to the bank to pick up more packs.( this one tipped me pretty good and I was grateful ) Now a days all you get are afk healers and nobody can get wounds healed. The other day I went to the the Theed med center and one guy was asking for heals ( not demanding them ) and could get no reply for like a half hour from the 5 or 6 medic/doctors in the place so I /yell yeah funny how you cant get healed with all these medics around in a med center. I was ignored by all of them. So I healed the guy and he tipped me 10k and and said " thankyou very much" and left. The only I went into the med center was to try and let someone to heal my wounds for the xp, cause I know these people need it. And if one of them did heal me I would of tipped them nicely even though I can heal them myself, cause I know what its like to be a novice medic/ doctor. I'm sorry if I got a little of topic, but it just shows that the people who have done the profession are more understanding then those who have not.
All i seem to read is how doc are "taking down the title" rude customers etc.
I'm on Sunrunner, been master doc for two+ months now. I'm TKM also but opt to use my doc tag and I'm all over the galaxie.
Don't know what you folks are whining about.
I'm having the time of my (online) life.
Well maybe you are one of the lucky few who are on a server where the doctor profession is respected?
Yeah I know but I just had to say something. He must be the only one.
eeseigeameo wrote:
daz007 wrote:
captenjonny wrote:
daz007 wrote:
The problem is that until these rude ungrateful children try out the MD profession, they will continue to be this way. Two days after mastering doctor I took down the title because of this crap. I dont mind healing the wounded. You can go into the Theed or Coronet med centers on our server these days and its either one of two things: no medics or doctors. Or 5-6 of each all afk and ignoring the wounded healing tumblers. Now when I leveled I did use tumblers, but if someone came in and needed some wounds healed I would jump right up and heal them. Once I ran out of wound packs and told the guy to wait, and I ran to the bank to pick up more packs.( this one tipped me pretty good and I was grateful ) Now a days all you get are afk healers and nobody can get wounds healed. The other day I went to the the Theed med center and one guy was asking for heals ( not demanding them ) and could get no reply for like a half hour from the 5 or 6 medic/doctors in the place so I /yell yeah funny how you cant get healed with all these medics around in a med center. I was ignored by all of them. So I healed the guy and he tipped me 10k and and said " thankyou very much" and left. The only I went into the med center was to try and let someone to heal my wounds for the xp, cause I know these people need it. And if one of them did heal me I would of tipped them nicely even though I can heal them myself, cause I know what its like to be a novice medic/ doctor. I'm sorry if I got a little of topic, but it just shows that the people who have done the profession are more understanding then those who have not.
All i seem to read is how doc are "taking down the title" rude customers etc.
I'm on Sunrunner, been master doc for two+ months now. I'm TKM also but opt to use my doc tag and I'm all over the galaxie.
Don't know what you folks are whining about.
I'm having the time of my (online) life.
Well maybe you are one of the lucky few who are on a server where the doctor profession is respected?
pfft they just dont know better yet... give it a few months