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Thread: The really problem with Doctors, PvP, PvE and People
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MaherBot
Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:41 pm
#1
This is how I see things in relation to the Combat revamp, the buff revamp and the situation with Doctors. There are major discussions about doctors being nerfed, combat going to hell without buffs, and armor being out of wack. Let me explain this from each side., first the people who like armor, buffs and stats as they are now:
You people are greedy. . . simple as that, you know why? Cause you like Solo groups, you like 30k a mission, you like killing large mobs alone so YOU get the drop. Ex. Nightsister, Krayts, GDK, Lord Nayx, Sith faction etc. You dont want the system to change cause you dont play for content, you play for money and items. You assume this is fun but you clearly have no idea what a challenge is or the thrill of killing somthing that was Really hard to kill, when I say hard I dont mean it has 100k health compared to your 2-3k health, I mean it near kill or even incaped you few times. You dont like fighting things that are stronger then you. You like to be able to kill stuff quickly and move to the next one. All that goes through your thick skulls is MONEY, ITEMS, MONEY, ITEMS, MONEY, MR. BIG SHOT SOLOER. You know excatly who you are and you dont want this to change cause you will have to start relying on others and that scares the hell ou of you knowing you have to share drops.
From the people who dont like armor, buffs and stats as they are and need to be removed or atleast modified:
I agree with these people, I am a Master Doctor/ Pikemen, I have been this excat class for 15 months now and havent changed a thing. Buffs and armor are overpowered but you cant take them out of the game. You people need to realize that although they dull out the action and the thrill of game, in CERTAIN cases they are needed. NS, Krayts, etc BUT only in the case to keep a person alive and going and not solo the darn thing. Yes I remember back when the game came out and going with groups of 20+ north of Wayfar to kill Krayts when they use ot spawn up there. OF course being a pikemen, with weak buffs, weak weapons(there were no LVAs at this time btw), no comp armor and running at a Krayt was sucide, but it was damn fun. Sure there were arguments over the drops, but you know what the ones arguing back then are the Solo group people now I bet. Now that they can do it alone so they dont want to go back to "the good/bad old days." They are going to lower buffs and armor in the combat revamp which is just fine with me. The only reason we have mobs with a Quarter million health or more is cause of the current buff and armor system, once they revamp those they will have to revamp mobs soon after.
Now lookin at this from the Doctor side, there are 2 side to this. Doctors in it for the Content of being of Doctor, that is crafting, healing, being a support class and being ok with this. Then there are the other people the recently to became Master Doctors, who are ONLY in it for the money.
Now the veteran Doctors I dont think they will mind at all with any change ot the system. We will still find a way to get by and still play a large role in PVP, PVE and other combat related stuff.
Now the noob wanna be Doctors who just recently got Master Doctor, the second they change the system these people are gone, they will drop the class and find other ways to make cash and complain saying "what did they do the to buffs" and "they ruined the class". Honestly these people should drop dead. I cant stand people who are only in somthing when the market or class in this case is hot. Ex. of this would be CH at Game Opening, Once they made this class EQUAL(NOT NERFED) with the other combats classes all the money and easy combat people dropped out. I personally love to sit down next to these money doctors in Cnet while they are charging 15-50k for buffs and offer my buffs of equal or better quality for only 8k.
Anyone complaining right now about them changing the system is a Greedy, Easy Money no content, Solo group guy.
Anyone who is ok with the changes coming is playing for Content not money for the most part and is most likly a veteran doctor who has stuck it out throught thick and thin.
My opinion here will for sure piss off some people, for those who need to Vent feel free to Email me in game. My characters name is Allandor Evermore, on Starsider Server. So there . . .
You people are greedy. . . simple as that, you know why? Cause you like Solo groups, you like 30k a mission, you like killing large mobs alone so YOU get the drop. Ex. Nightsister, Krayts, GDK, Lord Nayx, Sith faction etc. You dont want the system to change cause you dont play for content, you play for money and items. You assume this is fun but you clearly have no idea what a challenge is or the thrill of killing somthing that was Really hard to kill, when I say hard I dont mean it has 100k health compared to your 2-3k health, I mean it near kill or even incaped you few times. You dont like fighting things that are stronger then you. You like to be able to kill stuff quickly and move to the next one. All that goes through your thick skulls is MONEY, ITEMS, MONEY, ITEMS, MONEY, MR. BIG SHOT SOLOER. You know excatly who you are and you dont want this to change cause you will have to start relying on others and that scares the hell ou of you knowing you have to share drops.
From the people who dont like armor, buffs and stats as they are and need to be removed or atleast modified:
I agree with these people, I am a Master Doctor/ Pikemen, I have been this excat class for 15 months now and havent changed a thing. Buffs and armor are overpowered but you cant take them out of the game. You people need to realize that although they dull out the action and the thrill of game, in CERTAIN cases they are needed. NS, Krayts, etc BUT only in the case to keep a person alive and going and not solo the darn thing. Yes I remember back when the game came out and going with groups of 20+ north of Wayfar to kill Krayts when they use ot spawn up there. OF course being a pikemen, with weak buffs, weak weapons(there were no LVAs at this time btw), no comp armor and running at a Krayt was sucide, but it was damn fun. Sure there were arguments over the drops, but you know what the ones arguing back then are the Solo group people now I bet. Now that they can do it alone so they dont want to go back to "the good/bad old days." They are going to lower buffs and armor in the combat revamp which is just fine with me. The only reason we have mobs with a Quarter million health or more is cause of the current buff and armor system, once they revamp those they will have to revamp mobs soon after.
Now lookin at this from the Doctor side, there are 2 side to this. Doctors in it for the Content of being of Doctor, that is crafting, healing, being a support class and being ok with this. Then there are the other people the recently to became Master Doctors, who are ONLY in it for the money.
Now the veteran Doctors I dont think they will mind at all with any change ot the system. We will still find a way to get by and still play a large role in PVP, PVE and other combat related stuff.
Now the noob wanna be Doctors who just recently got Master Doctor, the second they change the system these people are gone, they will drop the class and find other ways to make cash and complain saying "what did they do the to buffs" and "they ruined the class". Honestly these people should drop dead. I cant stand people who are only in somthing when the market or class in this case is hot. Ex. of this would be CH at Game Opening, Once they made this class EQUAL(NOT NERFED) with the other combats classes all the money and easy combat people dropped out. I personally love to sit down next to these money doctors in Cnet while they are charging 15-50k for buffs and offer my buffs of equal or better quality for only 8k.
Anyone complaining right now about them changing the system is a Greedy, Easy Money no content, Solo group guy.
Anyone who is ok with the changes coming is playing for Content not money for the most part and is most likly a veteran doctor who has stuck it out throught thick and thin.
My opinion here will for sure piss off some people, for those who need to Vent feel free to Email me in game. My characters name is Allandor Evermore, on Starsider Server. So there . . .
pircio
Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:27 pm
#2
your comment doesn't bother me that much as you have overlooked a couple things
i am a master doctor, have been for 4 months now.
it has taken me those 4 months, to find/buy/gather/trade, the resources i need to craft GOOD buffpacks. the only source of reliable income i have is buffing people. so for the first 3 months, i would have to spend 50k per set of buffpacks and i would make 200k, after my expenses of all my extractors i would not have much money left, it's not until recent when i had some decent money to spend 500k on some good reactive gas, or avian meat.
it was tough, i enjoyed it, and i am still working at it. i wanted to build a really nice medical vendor(s) to provide high quality buffpacks at lower costs.
as it stands, i have 500k credits, 10k avian meat, 100k gas, 1000decent adv bio controllers, 500 near perfect adv solid delivery, and 750 near perfect adv chem release.
that's not a lot, and won't make that many buffpacks, a decent amount, but that's it, 500k credits is not much. but i need resources for my alt, who is a shipwright to make ships for me and my friends, cause they dont want to waste teh skill points for it, is it wrong for me to want a few mil credits to buy resources to make ships? to grind and get master? or should i wait the 2+ months it will take to get the minerals, if i can find them, to make "decent" or crappy ships.
the system relies on money, to get what you want and do what you want. it is a CHOICE to go solo or group, personally, i like grouping, but i also like money, cause w/o money i cant buy a good weapon, or wear good armor, or purchase bulk resources. sure, people can solo the vette or an ATST or the quest Krate dragon, but how much work went into that, the armor, the weapon, the buff, and the time spend on that level of mastery.
i make money buffing people, i sacrifice most of my combat time sitting in cnet buffing people, cause they want to go out on their own cause they want to, or cause they cant finda group, or whatever. i make decent money at it as slow as it is, but that is MY source of income. depending on how they do it, i may very well be out of a job, especially with JTL stealing the ground game to space, eliminating my customers.i might not necessarily have the 4 hours to go out with a group and heal/res/cure/etc, with no garantees as to how much i'll get paid for my services. i have been invited to go to the vette or DWB like 3 times, i only actually went once, cause they offered not a lot of money, like 100k. for me to go spend hours running around, using MY supplies that only i can use,. its not worth it to me. maybe others do, but i dont, if it were my friends, it would be different.
basically what i'm getting at is i have a CHOICE to do what i want... by screwing docs they are forcing me towards one side, and potentially eliminating all the hard work i have done and will continue to do until i get nerfed. it may get to the point where a doctor is a useless class, then what do i do to make money.
please don't assume there are 2 types of players, groupers and soloers, cause they'res not. everyone has their own goal or goals that they want to acheive, that was simply mine. all i ask is that my hard work has not been done in veign, and that i eventually reach what i've wanted to accomplish.
MaherBot
Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:53 pm
#3
I know there is a lot to buffing and doctor stuff then what I say, but my intention in this post is to point out that those who are complaining are not real doctors, they are just in it for the quick buck til its nerfed or another new class boost kicks in, could be shipwright next i guess. The people im refering too are the Doctors who dont craft their own stuff, who still go to Cnet and charge 15-50k over a normal price. The real doctors know this revamp isnt a big deal for many different reasons which i wont mention.
I myself have never purchased medical supplies from anyone ever. I craft all my own stuff. I make a it a personal note that my materials are decent and fair priced. One thing I especially focus on are buff packs. The last time I made them was 8 montsh ago, I made 100 Packs of each stat, I went even futher to make all of them match perfectly in their Base Power, Duration and Charges. Funny thing is 8 months ago I was getting I still havnt run out of these but ill be making new ones soon.
What I trying to say is if u havent been in this class as long as I have or any of the other veterans or that you only switched to this class recentlu to get in on the profit and get out before a supposed Major Drop in business then you have no right to complain. If you are complaining then you werent a Doctor during the first Doctor revamp making Buffs a solid number based off the Power rather then a random range, you werent there when the game came out and we were doctors trying to make even half decent supplies and work with large groups with little or no profit other then experience to master the class, before the AFK tumblers and the Uber Doctor vendors fully socked everyday so u never need to open a Crafting tool screen. If you havent experienced these things then you are most liky one of the people complaining openly or privatly about any up and coming changes
I respect all REAL doctors, i enjoy working with quite a few of them, trading materials, information and tips. I know the real Doctors on Starsider, i seriously doubt any of them are complaining or worried about the furture of this class.
I myself have never purchased medical supplies from anyone ever. I craft all my own stuff. I make a it a personal note that my materials are decent and fair priced. One thing I especially focus on are buff packs. The last time I made them was 8 montsh ago, I made 100 Packs of each stat, I went even futher to make all of them match perfectly in their Base Power, Duration and Charges. Funny thing is 8 months ago I was getting I still havnt run out of these but ill be making new ones soon.
What I trying to say is if u havent been in this class as long as I have or any of the other veterans or that you only switched to this class recentlu to get in on the profit and get out before a supposed Major Drop in business then you have no right to complain. If you are complaining then you werent a Doctor during the first Doctor revamp making Buffs a solid number based off the Power rather then a random range, you werent there when the game came out and we were doctors trying to make even half decent supplies and work with large groups with little or no profit other then experience to master the class, before the AFK tumblers and the Uber Doctor vendors fully socked everyday so u never need to open a Crafting tool screen. If you havent experienced these things then you are most liky one of the people complaining openly or privatly about any up and coming changes
I respect all REAL doctors, i enjoy working with quite a few of them, trading materials, information and tips. I know the real Doctors on Starsider, i seriously doubt any of them are complaining or worried about the furture of this class.
Legende
Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:28 pm
#4
Master Doctor since Mid-August '03 [couple weeks after Shadowfire came online], and as you stated, I do agree with you completely. Your post is pretty much what I've been saying on these forums in response to the millions of "buffs need to be left alone" posts for quite some time. Unfortunatly you are speaking to a predominatly [sp?] new doc crowd, there are few of us old school players, much less MDs, in this game for you to get much of anything more than just flames.
VinniusZola
Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:41 pm
#5
It's simple. I buff, I get money, I spend the money on items people work hard a crafting. Money makes the servers go round wether we like it or not. God forbid I charge 15k a buff for my time. People who can't afford that should be at Kor Vella killing butterflies. I pay my $15 a month to SOE,so I will play the game the way I want, as so will you, and everyone else. If I want to be filthy rich, that's my business, and that's how I want to play.
MaherBot
Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:47 pm
#6
This point has nothing to do with How you play, you can run around naked for all i care. Its peoples assumption that the whole doctor class in trouble do to revamps and such. All those people complaining and crying that they are going to ruin the class yet the most likly dont know the first thing about the class. You of course play as you want and charge 15k for buff, bravo to you for getting what you want out of the game, but this mean ill play as i want too, so ill be sitting right next to you charging just 8k for buffs.
VinniusZola
Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:54 pm
#7
Funny thing about that. I sit next to people and charge 4-5k more than them, I still get customers, people are desperate and hate waiting. 
The revamp isn't until next year practically, so I'm not worrying about it. I could no be playing by that time.
The revamp isn't until next year practically, so I'm not worrying about it. I could no be playing by that time.
CaptianBananaHammock
Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:00 pm
#8
I have gotten 50k for a buff before. Rich people that don't like to wait love throwing around money. To me, doctors are my money maker, Im not a crafting class and it was pretty easy to master. I make a good bit of money off it and It's easy. The main problem I have with the "balance" that is coming out is that, there is no balance. They will continuely swing the nerf bat, denerf, renerf and what not and it drives me insane. Leave doctors alone. You pay for our time more then the buff, Apparently we value our time more then some others.
taloncard
Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:47 am
#9
THERE IS MORE TO MASTER DOCTOR THAN BUFFING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so sick of hearing that the buff nerf will kill your income.
You want to make money there are other abilities.
Myself and friends used to hire ourselfs out with groups. We would heal the members, cure posion and diseases, Rez when necessary, The fee was about 10-50K per group member, plus you of course got a cut of the group mission pay.
I also sold medic supplies I made millions of credits selling wound packs and cases of stim packs.
As it stands now all a doc is, is a buff bot, with little other use because of the strength of our buffs and the power of armor. I yearn for the days of being more useful.
Our abilites that never get used now:
First aid (cure bleeding)
Heal state
Cure posion
Cure disease
Drag incapped player
Heal damage
the one that gets used:
enhance attribute.
Gee don't tell me docs will be poor and useless after the Combat Upgrade, you just won't be able to make money with a afk macro or sitting in coronet buffing. You might have to go out and do something, or get a vendor.
I am so sick of hearing that the buff nerf will kill your income.
You want to make money there are other abilities.
Myself and friends used to hire ourselfs out with groups. We would heal the members, cure posion and diseases, Rez when necessary, The fee was about 10-50K per group member, plus you of course got a cut of the group mission pay.
I also sold medic supplies I made millions of credits selling wound packs and cases of stim packs.
As it stands now all a doc is, is a buff bot, with little other use because of the strength of our buffs and the power of armor. I yearn for the days of being more useful.
Our abilites that never get used now:
First aid (cure bleeding)
Heal state
Cure posion
Cure disease
Drag incapped player
Heal damage
the one that gets used:
enhance attribute.
Gee don't tell me docs will be poor and useless after the Combat Upgrade, you just won't be able to make money with a afk macro or sitting in coronet buffing. You might have to go out and do something, or get a vendor.
MaherBot
Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:00 am
#10
This is excatly what im talking about, people like VinniusZola and CaptianBananaHammock sound like prime examples of the halfass doctors walking around the game these days. As VinniusZola stated, there are people who will offer the doctors 50k to jump the line cause they got the money to throw around. Guess what Vinne thats a Solo grouper you buffing, who giving you 50k for thebugff will make that in 10 minutes back on Dantooine. But what you dont understand Vinnie is just cause you sit in town and buff doesnt mean you know anything about the class buddy. Im sure all you know is the AFK tumbler method and the Grinding of ABECs, and thats all.
CaptianBananaHammock is also a good example, just as he stated he is a Doctor but doesnt like to craft and im sure doesnt know how to either. Just in it for the money while its hot market. Banana, you dont understand that the revamp regardless if its good or bad forthe buffs wont make doctors role in the community any less then before, if anything it will increase their service in their older skills. IF they do actually lower buffs more this will make it so that doctors wil be required in hunts more. Again, people like you and Vinne dont see the whole picture and have no previous experience in the real change or hardships of being a doctor
CaptianBananaHammock is also a good example, just as he stated he is a Doctor but doesnt like to craft and im sure doesnt know how to either. Just in it for the money while its hot market. Banana, you dont understand that the revamp regardless if its good or bad forthe buffs wont make doctors role in the community any less then before, if anything it will increase their service in their older skills. IF they do actually lower buffs more this will make it so that doctors wil be required in hunts more. Again, people like you and Vinne dont see the whole picture and have no previous experience in the real change or hardships of being a doctor
electorate
Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:15 am
#11
Well gents,
It comes down to this, why do you want to be a doctor? Is it for money, you enjoy crafting or ect. People will still need your services. I look at it like this, If you want to make a bunch of money become a chef/armorsmith/weaponsmith. If your in it for the money you probably have an alt that is your uber combatant anyway. I refuse to sit in a starport and buff people. That is mind numbingly boring. I make money of selling my products. I have been a Doctor since Nov '03. I was more upset when they changed merchant to where you had to have the skills to have a vendor then i will be be about the future nerfing. I would even be more upset if I wasa CM because of the new things a doc can do which a CM should be able to do ie area cures. I make decent money and am not too concerned. I play on Bloodfin and amprobablyinone of the most inflated economies of the servers. I took my time becoming a doc spending time in theed coronet and bestin healing wounds to gain xp. At the time i really didnt know any better way to grind it out. I also feel you pain of having to collect resources to make items. I started to become a doc a month before a guildie. We got master at the same time but. It took me about 3 months to collect thing to make meds. I was very selective. My guildie immediately started making meds that were crap. Well he didn't last long as a doc. I have rambled on enough. Yes the combat revamp may screw things up but the devs will screw something else up a few months later and docs will benefit from it somehow. Basically if you don't like it don't do it. The game is nice that it is flexible like that.
Just some thoughts
Akack aka Ol' Doc Akack also Ol' Doc Akack that weilds a mean gaffi
Salebow
Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:03 am
#12
Well since i'm one of the new docs, i'll throw my few words in. I'm not in it for the money. I tried a couple buff sessions. Screw it. I'm not in it for crafting, that crap sucks. I'm in it for helping out my guildies, myself, my best friend, and the occasional person. I like the fact i'm a master swords/doc, i can buff myself, best friend, can heal me, her, her pets, while she is ranged with rifleman, and a CH. Buffing i'm sure can be making money but to me its just not worth it. I also dont think they should mess with the buff stats, its fine the way it is. And some of these folks throwing around accusations here saying people are half-assed blah blah blah, thats just ridiculous, thats their way of playing a game. Its their 15 bucks a month, they'll do as they please.
Salebow
Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:08 pm
#13
well maherbot,
you have your opinions i have mine. Just because i'm not a crafting doc doesn't make me a n00b doc either. I don't like crafting, so you'r enot hearing me complain about it. You're not hearing any complaining out of my mouth on anything in the doc profession. The only thing i do wish they would change is the FS cap at 80K. the only thing. It's just "MY" personal opinion to leave the buff alone. Nothing is handed to me on a silver platter, i have to go work for it. I understand where everyone is coming from. I'm just not complaining. In fact i have nothing but praise for the stuff i've seen so far in the game. Please dont unnecessarily put me in a category when i haven't complained other than just saying i dont think they should change it. That hardly constitutes me being a complainer. it is just stating my opinion. whether right or wrong. by the time they do revamp it all, i should be a jedi anyway.
cheers/
Salebow
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