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Thread: Doctor and Battle Armor Accuracy Hinderances
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Rataard
Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:18 pm
#1
A new doctor, it has come to my attnetion that all the doctors I see have an accuracy hindrance, even while master. Why?
At xxx2 we get a 30% accuracy mitigation.
At xxx3 we get a 30% rate of fire mitiagtion.
At xxx4 we get ANOTHER 30% rate of fire mitigation.
At master we get a 40% rate of fire mitigation?
Is it just me, or does it seem like the xxx4 is supposed to be a 40 accuracy mitigation? Or is some accuracy mitigation inherant while a doctor? Thanks.
Zimal
Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:25 pm
#2
i believe this is one of the usses that the corr is addressing..... not 100 % here though
Warmaker01
Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:31 pm
#4
While dueling off and on with a buddy of mine last night, I did notice he had armor hindrances.
He was Master Carbineer and had Marauder Battle Armor equipped.
He said he had the armor sliced to get better resists, but it increased hindrances. However, the hindrances were very small for him... at most 3%.
He was Master Carbineer and had Marauder Battle Armor equipped.
He said he had the armor sliced to get better resists, but it increased hindrances. However, the hindrances were very small for him... at most 3%.
"If they can be fooled, they can be killed."
Rataard
Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:28 pm
#5
Warmaker01 wrote:
While dueling off and on with a buddy of mine last night, I did notice he had armor hindrances.
He was Master Carbineer and had Marauder Battle Armor equipped.
He said he had the armor sliced to get better resists, but it increased hindrances. However, the hindrances were very small for him... at most 3%.
Slicing screws up the Hinderances, as a piece of armor that's capped out on resists will meet the exact hinderance mitigations. However, when you slice, you get a boost to the resists, and all your hinderances cannot be mitigated completely. I.E I had a chestplate and leggings capped out that (wookiee ceremonial, as I'm also a rifleman). Didn't slice the leggins, sliced only the chestplate. Now I have hinderances for all 3 stats because of the chestplate, but that's only due to the slice. This is just a lack of the required 40% accuracy mitigation to remove the accuracy hinderance while at master for advanced battle armor.
JazzJaeda
Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:20 pm
#6
Well, I don't know. A way to explain it would be that training in a particular weapon increases your skill with said weapon (and aim), and a doctor is not trained in any weapon, so they receive a hinderance when wielding one while wearing armor. (Combining with another battle-armor prof kills the hinderance completely. And I'm sure if you mastered a profession that certed you Assault/Recon armor, and wore it, you'd have no accuracy hinderance there either.)
It does kind of make sense, if you believe SoE is capable of thinking in such detail...
It does kind of make sense, if you believe SoE is capable of thinking in such detail...
Rataard
Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:28 am
#7
JazzJaeda wrote:
Well, I don't know. A way to explain it would be that training in a particular weapon increases your skill with said weapon (and aim), and a doctor is not trained in any weapon, so they receive a hinderance when wielding one while wearing armor. (Combining with another battle-armor prof kills the hinderance completely. And I'm sure if you mastered a profession that certed you Assault/Recon armor, and wore it, you'd have no accuracy hinderance there either.)
It does kind of make sense, if you believe SoE is capable of thinking in such detail...
Not really, because there's a specific ranged weapon hinderance that doesn't have any effect on the armor, and is determined by the gun.
A master doctor should be able to know how to do anything with his armor on without hinderances... anyways, I'll be wearing recon armor until it's fixed.
JazzJaeda
Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:26 pm
#8
Or you could pick a Battle Armor certed profession?
And no, a Doc really shouldn't know how to wield anything with armor on. You tell me what doctor learns how to handle weapons as part of Med School. Gimme a list.
The hindrances don't affect your movement speed. Docs need that, and it works.
The hindrances don't affect your healing. Docs need that, and it works.
I chalk this up to a rifleman being sad he misses his 2k-damage shots every now and then, and/or takes a little extra damage because his recon isn't up to par. Neither of which means the Doc hindrances need changing.
Thank you.
And no, a Doc really shouldn't know how to wield anything with armor on. You tell me what doctor learns how to handle weapons as part of Med School. Gimme a list.
The hindrances don't affect your movement speed. Docs need that, and it works.
The hindrances don't affect your healing. Docs need that, and it works.
I chalk this up to a rifleman being sad he misses his 2k-damage shots every now and then, and/or takes a little extra damage because his recon isn't up to par. Neither of which means the Doc hindrances need changing.
Thank you.
Message Edited by JazzJaeda on 06-28-2005 10:26 PM
Message Edited by JazzJaeda on 06-28-2005 10:28 PM
Dapu
Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:23 pm
#9
JazzJaeda wrote:
Or you could pick a Battle Armor certed profession?
And no, a Doc really shouldn't know how to wield anything with armor on. You tell me what doctor learns how to handle weapons as part of Med School. Gimme a list.
The hindrances don't affect your movement speed. Docs need that, and it works.
The hindrances don't affect your healing. Docs need that, and it works.
I chalk this up to a rifleman being sad he misses his 2k-damage shots every now and then, and/or takes a little extra damage because his recon isn't up to par. Neither of which means the Doc hindrances need changing.
Thank you.
Message Edited by JazzJaeda on 06-28-2005 10:26 PM
Message Edited by JazzJaeda on 06-28-2005 10:28 PM
When that Med School consists of going out and only getting xp in combat. 
After all, a doc would need to be able to use medical tools in the field with pinpoint accuracy while being shot at, which I would think isa lot tougher than firing a gun. Maybe someone who has done both in actual combat could tell us better. Automatic weapon vs. automatic scalpel slicing up a patient.
I agree that the penalty should come with the weapon and not the armor for this. After all, for say my template, which is master doc/master pistols, why should I get no penalties while wearing recon armor while getting a slight penalty while wearing battle armor? I am trained with a weapon, after all, are I not? What is the real difference between wearing the two armors that I am certed for?
JazzJaeda
Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:59 am
#10
The med school consists of healing in combat. You don't have to actually KILL anything.
I also don't think Docs are shooting healing darts out of a rifle, so gaining an accuracy bonus still doesn't fit.
As you mentioned, I think the issue is making part of the accuracy hinderance on the weapon. Armors don't need to be changed.
I also don't think Docs are shooting healing darts out of a rifle, so gaining an accuracy bonus still doesn't fit.
As you mentioned, I think the issue is making part of the accuracy hinderance on the weapon. Armors don't need to be changed.
Rataard
Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:35 am
#11
JazzJaeda wrote:
The med school consists of healing in combat. You don't have to actually KILL anything.
I also don't think Docs are shooting healing darts out of a rifle, so gaining an accuracy bonus still doesn't fit.
As you mentioned, I think the issue is making part of the accuracy hinderance on the weapon. Armors don't need to be changed.
Combat Medics don't have to actually KILL anything eather, yet they still get full mitigations.
When I posted this thread I was asking if it was being addressed, or if it's intended (not why it should be intended). Not a drawn out arguement of why there should be an accuracy penalty.
I'm not complaining about armor hinderances - just a necessary lack of armor hinderance mitigation.
Message Edited by Rataard on 06-29-2005 10:38 AM
JazzJaeda
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:56 am
#12
Ah, well my mistake then, and I apologize for drawing out the thread. I also didn't know CM had more mitigations than Doc. Hmm, if that's the case, you make a good point, lol.
TenshiHanaKinu
Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:03 am
#13
I say give Doctors innate armor and remove their Battle Armor cert.
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