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Thread: To line up or not to line up? That age old debate...

DannKyjaa
Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:38 pm
#1

I've come across a rather odd occurence. I'd been a Master Doc on the Gorath server for a while before deciding to setup a character in the Corbantis Galaxy. Initially I spent nearly every waking moment in the Coronet Med Center and if you hadn't told me I was out of Gorath I wouldn't have known, everything was nearly exactly the same down to the shouting tumblers with their pleas for credits.

Then I'd become Master Doc and it was time to venture out into the Starport and start making some credits. I quickly noticed that things on Corbantis are NOT as they are on Gorath. On the Gorath server it's customary for those would like to be buffed to form a line behind the Doc in the order in which they came. This apparently is not the case on Corbantis. What I'd noticed is that the "lines" as I'd know them on Gorath were not actually lines at all on Corbantis, what I'd see was a bunch of toons huddled around a Doc. This definitely is not the way I'm used to doing business.

So I immediately began my barking macro, the same as I'd used on Gorath for months; stats, duration, price bla bla bla, form a line and tip when I say. What immediately ensued was the toons huddling around me and bank tipping at their leisure, this was not what I was expecting. So I politely asked everyone to line up in the order which they'd arrived and was immediately treated to flames like, why do we have to line up? That's stupid... why don't you do it the easy way and just have everyone bank tip? I decided to come at these arguments head on and explain why I preferred my own methods but even then I was flamed for breaking the current Corbantis method of "huddling". I was told that my way was too difficult and it would be easier for me if I just accepted the bank tip method of service.

Now I can see how the huddle method might be more acceptable to the "buffee" since they don't have to perform the ridiculously difficult task of "moving forward in line every minute or so". Dont get me wrong I can clearly see that for the buffee it's easier for them to bank tip and go alt+tab it and check out their favorite Hentai site and come back in 20 minutes or so once the pipes are clean to a freshly buffed toon. That's not my problem with this method of buffing, my problem is the added stress it puts on me the Doc taking his time out to buff.

Let's consider the pros and cons of each method.

Line Method

Pros


  • Fair to the Buffee because they can clearly see how many people are ahead of them in line.
  • Convenient for the Doc because he can clearly see how many people are in line and he cleary knows who is next to be buffed without doing anything other than Looking to see who's next in line.
  • I've found that lines can move very quickly in an organized line because the Doc himself does not really have to pay attention other than selecting your target and hitting your buff macro.


Cons


  • The Buffee needs to pay a little bit more attention because he has to move forward in line every minute to 3 minutes or so, a little more quickly if the Doc is under the influence of Havla but that wouldn't last long anyway.


Huddle Method

Pros


  • To be honest I don't like this method and I don't think there are any pros for the Doc, the only advantage would be to the buffee who can call in his bank tip and go AFK for 20 minutes or so.

Cons

  • If you've got some people bank tipping and some people tipping directly it's definitely a pain in the arse because now you have to figure out where this direct tipper was in line compared to all the bank tippers. If you've got 20 toons in line waiting for buffs and 3 of them directly tipped you're in for a nice little memory game.
  • Another problem with this method is all the /tells you get of people asking, how many people are ahead of me? I get a ton of these /tells and with a line this will not happen nearly as much.
  • After each and every buff I have to go through my eMails to see who bank tipped next, whereas if there were a line I don't have to do anything because it's obvious who's next.
  • I get a lot of bank tips from people in the Cantina saying they'll be in the starport soon and expect me to buff them in the order which they tipped, this isn't fair to the people who are actually waiting.


Well that's all I've got at the moment, don't consider this a flame on those of you who use this method I'm just trying to convey my thoughts on being newly inducted into this system in the past month or so. And by all means if you prefer the huddle method let me know why it works for you. All I'm trying to do is convey why it doesn't work as well for me.

Thanks,

-Dann
Gorath

-Haatori Haanzo "AKA the Buff Nazi"
Corbantis



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Mschif
Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:01 pm
#2

I prefer the huddle method, personally,I like to use the mail window as my line, use a macro that says only accepting bank tips, andI buff the order the tips come into my mailbox. There's no line jumping, no fighting with someone about if they tipped or not, Hell, I dont even have to talk to anyone, just click the first message in my mail box, look at the name and begin to buff them, delete that message, click on the next one, start to buff them and so on... tap my buff macro every so often...easy...


Almost every Costumer would prefer this huddle methodopposed to the Line Method because like you said, they do not have to stand there and move up every, few minutes , over and over again...


Think of it kinda like when you go to the Doctor's Office in real life, you come in, give your name and they tell you to have a seat, "The doctor will see you soon", its more convient for the patient, imagine a Line at the Doctors office, that would be funny, lol... anyways, back to the topic...


The doctor's have the choice to which method they use, same as the buff buyers have the choice to pick whether to stand in line and waitORhave a seatand wait, I would suggest that you get use to both methods if you prefer Line method, because from my knowledge when i go to town to set up buff shop, if there is a Line doctor there already, half his Line runs over to my huddle, another reason why huddle method is nice, you get the tip long before you buff them, so if another doctor comes along and starts buffing also, you dont have to worry about half your costumers running over to them, they go afk most the time and dont even know a new doctor came.


If your the only doctor at the time, then Line buff , Line buffing is easier for the doctor, i agree with that, but huddle buffing is prefered by the costumers, so thats the method i prefer:smileyvery-

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DannKyjaa
Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:52 pm
#3

OK well you kind of confused me because you said you prefer a huddle method but then at the end you said that lining up is easier for the Doc. I can definitely agree that buffees might prefer the huddle method, but in reality not all of them do. As much flaming as I got for requesting that they line up to receive buffs there were actually some that really liked the new method. You do make a very good point however and I appreciate your input. I was really curious how other Docs felt after discovering this.

When I told all of the other Docs on Gorath about the methods employed on Corbantis they couldn't even believe it. So maybe it's the fact that we're not used to it that we don't like it. I don't know.



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Jirob1
Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:28 am
#4

interesting, gonna try huddle on bria one time hehe... just to confuse.



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daz007
Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:36 am
#5

we only have the "huddle" on chilastra not once have i seen a line.




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Travin64068
Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:05 am
#6


I was using the line method on Sunrunner and kept telling people that I was going in order of the line and not order of tip. Plus I also asked people not to tip until it was their turn (this is in case someone or myselfgoes LD). I was charging 10K for my 2337 3.5 hour buffs (keep in mind that alot of Docs are now charging 15K-25K for buffs), so people were happy to get in line for a buff. I only had one person that didn't like the line, and they said they would pay 50K to be treated like an adult. I simply ignored them and kept going with my line.


After using the line, I prefer it over the huddle method, because I don't like to have to search for the next person. I've had people bank tip me and run to the cantina to heal BF and then come back wondering where they are in line. Most of the time they missed their spot because they weren't sitting there. The line also moderates itself, people will let someone else know if their cutting in line.


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yusonge
Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:01 am
#7

Bank Tip me and i will call your name when its your turn. until its your turn i could give a crap less what they do with thier time. We are not stuck in first person mode so it is too easy to zoom out a little and find them.

Thats the way i do it thats the way i will always do it. I am not incharge of the 10ish minutes that they are waiting for buffs. So they can do what they wish with the time it takes to get to them.



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Nema0879
Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:22 pm
#8

i could care less where they stand or sit .... if they tip me i will find them


it's not worth forcing people to follow your rules if it s going to end up pissingthem off


we use huddle on farstar and it works just fine ... but then i only buff when the server first comes back up so i dont get huge crowds either




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Mschif
Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:30 pm
#9

DannKyjaa, didnt mean to confuse you, I prefer the huddle method, but was just saying that line method is much easier for the doctor (agreeing with you)


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TriniSkye
Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:16 am
#10

I am a master doc on Chilastra and everyone here seems to use the huddle. I am former military and prefer the order and precision of a line. I have gotten used to the huddle and chalk it up to a customer service thing for the customers.



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ZeroK0ol
Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:20 am
#11

about 9 months ago i hit Master Dr on Bria. the huddle method was used, but bank tipping wasnt because there was a bank tipping scam that was being used. I had a pad of paper, and as someone sat down around me i would take out a pencil and write their name down, i would saythe name of the next person, watch my bank account and cash on hand and make sure they tipped, then i would buff them and cros them off my list.


u wanna talk about tedious. But this is how it was done.


I stopped buffing for about 3 months to just 'play' with friends and i came back when they instituted static buffs. I sat down and was prepaired to get my pad of paper.


THE MOST AMAZING THING HAPPENED THEN


people just started lining up in front of me. I had no idea when this started but it was truly amazing. all of a sudden people would line up and no one tipped till it was their turn.

Change can be difficult, it was hard for me to get used to a 'line' thing at first, next thing u know ill set up a vendor shop, hire a receptionist and have them be sent to 'the examination' room as it should be :0)



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ZeroK0ol
Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:22 am
#12



interesting, gonna try huddle on bria one time hehe... just to confuse.



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vortexala
Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:27 am
#13

Y'know, I didn't notice the line thing until recently.


I'm on Chilastra with my main, and have always seen the 'huddle' method used. One reason I never bothered with buffing the public.


I started a character on Flurry not long ago(going full combat)and went looking for a buff, was shocked to see a nice orderly line.


Must say, I personally prefer the line method as both a Doc and a Customer.



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