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Thread: I've had enough. No more buffing for me.
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Azhnykk
Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:25 am
#1
Okay, I buff using +25 BE clothing, +32 Bivoli, and Havla. I see other doctor's lines not using the havla and people waiting for 45 minutes to get buffed. For this reason, I use the havla at an extra cost to me for 15k buffs. Then people give me hell for the price. I tell them to have fun waiting in line. I didn't think that people would not pay the extra measly 5k to avoid waiting in line for so long. I was wrong. Is that really so much? You could make up that 5k in that extra 45 minutes that you stand in line. Iknow that I would rather step out of the starport, walk right up to the doctor, tip my 15k and be on to doing missions five seconds later. Another doctor was also flaming me about ripping the players off. I'm not sure what his problem was since he had the longest line the whole night. He was also spamming that he was charging 25k for line cuts. That is something that I am against. I wouldn't want to be in his line for 45 minutes and have some guy take my buff because he tipped extra.
Azhnykk
Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:20 am
#2
Let's do the math.
Disclaimer: Resource prices will vary. I am using my own incurred expenses for buffing.
non-recurring expenses:
BE clothing: 40,000
Stat Migration: 10,000
Surgical Droid: 40,000
recurring expenses:
Vasarian Brandy: 21 uses for 12,000
Buff pack including 19 uses of each buff: 75,000
Crate of 20 units of 4 use Havla: 150,000
Crate of 25 Bivoli Tempari with 3 uses: 300,000
Droid Batteries: 3,000 for 4 uses
Prices per buff:
Brandy: 571
Buffs: 3,947
Havla: 1875
Bivoli: 4000
Add the non-recurring costs of -90,000, the costs of the droid batteries, the shuttle fare and repair of decaying vehicle for travelling.
How is a 10k buff justifying these costs?
SlowNStoopid
Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:05 am
#3
Doesn't matter how u calculate it, most non-doc players will always think that we're rolling in credits and anything above 10k is unreasonable.
Making a million credits per 3hr-buff as a combat monkey, however, istotally reasonable. Cuz thecredits came out from a nameless mission terminal and not from their pockets. Never mind that the terminal didn't have tospend weeks and months collecting rare resources and even more time getting beeched at for pocket change just so that peopledidn't have to give up their precious skill points on the "more useful" combat templates. Or as one TKMsaid tome, "You doctors are the the luckiest. All you do is sit on your butt all day and watch the money flood into your pockets while real players like us have to do the work."
My personal view is that we shoulddedicate ourselves tohelping out those "real players" and do some "work" of our own. It must be tough carrying all those credits back fromsmacking Jantas and Mokks around.Which is what I am doing right now. Oops, I just made another 300ktapping absentmindedly on the same keyson my PC while typing this on my laptop. This is really, erm, tough. 
It's a free market economy and sometimes we get the short end of the stick. But being that, we also have the rights and the means to do something about it instead of just sitting around continuing to buff and complain. The way things are going, I mightfinally be able to afford thoseCAsthat they are auctioning to us at millions of credits, heck, I think I'll go loot some myself and keep the millions from the nameless mission terminals. 
Docs on Tempest are beginning to realize how "underworked" they are and I'm seeing lots of combat monkeys in their uber compos wandering around shouting, "Anyone buffing??? Will pay 12k for a buff!!! PST!!!". I would love to "rip you off" of your generous sum of 12k sir, but I'm too busy making 10 times that amount, "helping" you out. Sorry.
LOL.
Cypher71
Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:33 am
#4
Slow,
Please feel free to read my post "Doctors need to unite!". I would like to think you aren't the only person out there with that mind set. I really do hope that all doctors can come together on this.
I too get constant tells and inquiries on whether or not I'm buffing, I'm sure we all do. As of late, my response has been a kind but firm, no, I am currently not buffing the public. Join those of us taking a stand, I hope you all do.
Angle
Harbinger of Death, Gifter of Life
Bloodburn
Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:40 am
#5
Just charge a LOT for your buffs. You win either way.
If they DO pay for your buffs, great, you get the money you want, they get buffs asap.
If the DONT pay for your buffs, great, Saves you resources and buffpacks for yourself, and they dont get buffed.
I myself am known on wanderhome as the worst doctor there is, why? Because I charge 25k for 1600-2000point buffs that last from 2.5-3 hours.
Sure its not the same numbers as normal docs, but with MY buffs, I am able to solo missions for 10-20k as a novice rifleman. Now come on...if I can do that with chitin armor, why cant anyone else that has composite armor and has a TKM tag?!
You can't tell me that I am soo lucky that I dont get killed with those buffs...People are used to cheap uber buffs that net them high credits, and now that we have caught on with that and raised the prices, they whine like stuck pigs.
I may be raising my buffs to 35k this week. If they **edit**talk me. I /addignore them. They will never get any service from me at least that way. If only everyone did that, then the morons wouldnt be able to get any service anywhere.
If they DO pay for your buffs, great, you get the money you want, they get buffs asap.
If the DONT pay for your buffs, great, Saves you resources and buffpacks for yourself, and they dont get buffed.
I myself am known on wanderhome as the worst doctor there is, why? Because I charge 25k for 1600-2000point buffs that last from 2.5-3 hours.
Sure its not the same numbers as normal docs, but with MY buffs, I am able to solo missions for 10-20k as a novice rifleman. Now come on...if I can do that with chitin armor, why cant anyone else that has composite armor and has a TKM tag?!
You can't tell me that I am soo lucky that I dont get killed with those buffs...People are used to cheap uber buffs that net them high credits, and now that we have caught on with that and raised the prices, they whine like stuck pigs.
I may be raising my buffs to 35k this week. If they **edit**talk me. I /addignore them. They will never get any service from me at least that way. If only everyone did that, then the morons wouldnt be able to get any service anywhere.
Kabukkyn
Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:00 am
#6
Since I'm a TKM anda MD, i've done both missions and buff line. I like doing both depending on what kind of mood i'm in. I like helping people in the buff line. Most peeps are very grateful for the buffs. Lately since the mokks and janta missions have been dropping the loot kit stuff and crystals, I have been hunting more rather than buffing.
One thing is true, even without taking into consideration of all the resources, food, drink, and other stuff to buff the public...I make a lot more hunting/doing missions rather than buffing. I'm talking about just the payout for the missions. I can make about 300k per hour. That does not include the loot I get. I usually don't sell the loot. Lol, I put 2 blue thread items on my vendor for 200k each...thinking that no one would buy them. OMG...they were gone within 2 days! Come on by my shoppe to look at my crystal decorations 
Kabukkyn
Master Doctor / Teras Kasi Master
My Shop at (-3083 2723)
2300m SE of Theed, Naboo
Formerly of xoxoxo Guild (Extinct) -- Gorath
Master Doctor / Teras Kasi Master
My Shop at (-3083 2723)
2300m SE of Theed, Naboo
Formerly of xoxoxo Guild (Extinct) -- Gorath
Slash_DPC
Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:41 am
#7
Bloodburn wrote:
Just charge a LOT for your buffs. You win either way.
If they DO pay for your buffs, great, you get the money you want, they get buffs asap.
If the DONT pay for your buffs, great, Saves you resources and buffpacks for yourself, and they dont get buffed.
I myself am known on wanderhome as the worst doctor there is, why? Because I charge 25k for 1600-2000point buffs that last from 2.5-3 hours.
Sure its not the same numbers as normal docs, but with MY buffs, I am able to solo missions for 10-20k as a novice rifleman. Now come on...if I can do that with chitin armor, why cant anyone else that has composite armor and has a TKM tag?!
You can't tell me that I am soo lucky that I dont get killed with those buffs...People are used to cheap uber buffs that net them high credits, and now that we have caught on with that and raised the prices, they whine like stuck pigs.
I may be raising my buffs to 35k this week. If they **edit**talk me. I /addignore them. They will never get any service from me at least that way. If only everyone did that, then the morons wouldnt be able to get any service anywhere.
I like your thinking. Who freakin cares about the price of buffs. If ppl want to pay 10k, 15k, or 20k buffs, let them. If they don't, then they don't get buffed. BTW, I had to of been the first person in the game to charge 10k for buffs in coronet way back b/f they changed how powerful buffs were. Lets put it in to real world prespective. Let say the ONLY grocery store or resturant in town desides to mark up their food. You either have the option of paying the higher price and eating, or not buying it and dieing. Same w/ the price of gas. Either pay up and shut up, or **edit** and don't go anywhere. For some ppl, they feel that they can't do anything in the game w/o buffs, which is complete BS might I add. Either way, everyone comes out on top. So charge how much ever you want. If the people that want buffs don't like how you charge so much, tell them to go spend the 134 skill points to be a master doctor, or shut up. I hate how ppl whine like babies about the price of buffs.
Padtai
Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:33 am
#8
I stopped buffing too.Pick up any melee elite combat skill and you will make more money--and have more fun. The truth is, the way buffing works now, its not even anything but read bank mail, target person, press button. If you take too long to get back to someone--perhaps because you were busy or they missed your reply, they'll yell at you. This becomes even worse than loading a vendor to me..but that's why I stopped. If the only reason to buff is money, there are less time intensive ways to make money.
What used to appeal to me about buffing (or healing)was that people were appreciative of your skills. That led you to meet people in the game who might then help you out in some other way--telling you about a shop, a mission, a cave, or something. That's all changed.
No one dares talk to the doctor now because of how many times we've said "if we're buffing we can't talk". Most don't even want to talk to us, unless of course its to complain the buffs weren't high (and they have battle fatigue of course), or that they were before someone else (when they weren't, bank tips go in order), or the price is too high. Each doc is truly replaceable by another now--no matter how much time you put into designing your process--ultimately people just look for whatever doc is most convenient. If they see someone else first, they'll bank tip to start the line process, perhaps missing entirely the fact another doc had a shorter line with better buffs.
DOesn't matter though to most players--they just go afk, or read mail or forums, and 200 or 500 pts isn't a huge concern when you rarely even see any white on your ham bars for most (unless you're fighting other players, when its only your mind bar that takes damage anyway). As for shorter lines--why pay extra if you can't tell how much shorter the line of one doc is over another? If all you can compare is stats (and as I said those don't matter too much) and price---well, that's what players will choose by. Frankly beng the cheapest vendor doesn't appeal to me.
Why did the game get so unbalanced that most players most of the time feel theyneed to be buffed? Instead of buying buffs only when doing something particularly dangerous--people now do that everytme they play--the same way people used to have pets with them for every mission.
I suppose increasing cost and reducing the supply of buffs might change some player's minds--but ultimately will just convince more people to take up doc (or get an alt, or have their PA buy an account to buff). I hate to say we need to be nerfed, but its sad the combat balance has been pushed back. There is too much demand for buffs, and not enough demand to have a team with characters of different skill sets. Is it that most people playing most of the time want to be solo or is it that there isn't any good content for groups? I'm not sure what caused the problem--all I know is that making credits in the game isn't as important to me as having fun, and making credits is only one part of what I find fun. Buffing is simply not fun, not anymore--there's to much demand for it, not enough reward to do it.
Escapeartist
Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:42 pm
#9
MAN! with an attitude like that, who can expect you guys to have anything but angry costumers...
I have been a Master doc for 6mnds and i have to say that the times i have had angry costumers i can count on 1 hand.
Its all in the attitude, if i say im not buffing in a polite way then the buffies respect that and find another doc to deal with.
Menoetius
Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:08 pm
#10
Azhnykk wrote:
Let's do the math.
Disclaimer: Resource prices will vary. I am using my own incurred expenses for buffing.
non-recurring expenses:
BE clothing: 40,000
Stat Migration: 10,000
Surgical Droid: 40,000
recurring expenses:
Vasarian Brandy: 21 uses for 12,000
Buff pack including 19 uses of each buff: 75,000
Crate of 20 units of 4 use Havla: 150,000
Crate of 25 Bivoli Tempari with 3 uses: 300,000
Droid Batteries: 3,000 for 4 uses
Prices per buff:
Brandy: 571
Buffs: 3,947
Havla: 1875
Bivoli: 4000
Add the non-recurring costs of -90,000, the costs of the droid batteries, the shuttle fare and repair of decaying vehicle for travelling.
How is a 10k buff justifying these costs?
Find a new buff pack supplier, one with higher charges.
Bloodburn
Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:16 pm
#11
Its not the attitude its the price we choose to charge that brings out the **edit** in people.
Try politly telling people it will be 25k for buffs and see how "nice" they react to you. They SHOULD simply so no thanks and be on thier merry way, instead they find it thier right to YELL IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE THEY THINK YOU'RE RIPPING THEM OFF AND ARE EXPLOITING THE SYSTEM!
Sure people say we can charge what we like, but many dont simply because they live in fear of being labled an exploiting doctor.
Try politly telling people it will be 25k for buffs and see how "nice" they react to you. They SHOULD simply so no thanks and be on thier merry way, instead they find it thier right to YELL IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE THEY THINK YOU'RE RIPPING THEM OFF AND ARE EXPLOITING THE SYSTEM!
Sure people say we can charge what we like, but many dont simply because they live in fear of being labled an exploiting doctor.
tarrant77
Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:58 pm
#12
What a joke. I used to be a MDoc/TKM, keep in mind that I did put MDoc first. My priority was to buff, rezz, and heal states wounds and damage, my second priority was basically to kill things. Doctor is a support profession, if you're going to be buffing other people at all, remember that you're buffing OTHER PEOPLE.
I think that your little layout of how much it costs to buff is stupid. If it really costs you that much, you just buy outrageous things.
I paid 90k per 28-buff pack of 880 buffpacks that lasted 3h30m from Darkblade. That's 28 buffs at 2250(with just +25 clothing that I paid 100k for). Buffs that people will pay 10k for.I paid 3215 credits per buff.
I paid 70k per 25 crate of 18-use brandy that lasts for about 30 buffs. That's 156 credits for 30 buffs. That's 5 credits for a buff.
I paid 100k per 25 crate of 3-use bivoli that added +25 to my injury healing, capping my +to buffs. I could buff 10 people with one use of bivoli.This allowed me to buff for 2450. I charged 12k for these buffs. That's 1334 credits per use. That's 133 credits per buff.
I paid 100k per 25 crate of 3-use havla. Havla was simply a delicacy for my buff-ees. I did it to speed up my money-making process, I could buff two people per use of havla. Again, 1334 credits per use. 667 credits per buff.
Add this up.
3215Buff price
+ 5 credits for brandy
= 3220 credits per 10k buff. = 6780 profit per buff
+133 credits for bivoli
= 3353 credits per 12k buff. = 8647 profit per buff.
With my havla delicacy, add 667 credits to each buff.
3887 credits for a 10k buff.= 6113 profit per buff.
4010 credits for a 12k buff. = 7980 profit per buff.
With havla my bivoli lasts for more buffs, more profit for me, and quicker money for me.
With a havla buff, I complete one in 15 seconds. 7980 profit in 15 seconds.
Without a havla buff, I complete a buff in1 minute and 30 seconds. 1330 profit in 15 seconds.
Either way, I rack up a load of money.
If I had a never-ending line, that means with havla I'd make 31k in one minute. That's as much as a rancor mission, but in one minute.
If I buffed for 3 hours... I could make 5.75mill.
Now, we all know that doc lines DO end, and people sometimes take their time to pay, so, average that out to 2mill+ per buff session. AND you get to help people.
If you're not full-pvp like I am now, then I don't see why EVERYONE wouldn't want to be a doctor.
Well, that's just my point of view, on Bria.
NO doctors should be whining. If there's an @#@$@#$hole in the crowd, so what? He's a @#$@#$hole. We can't help it. If you have a problem with people like that then you should probably never leave your room(cough), or you'll find tons of them, and you may have to quit life too(no bandwagon pun intended).
Good luck to you, though.
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