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Thread: TKM versus Master Swordsman
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Rinndalir03
Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:09 am
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I've analyzed TKM versus Swordsman so much the past few days that I'm going cross-eyed. I'd try them both with Doctor and compare except that I'm a very casual gamer and it will take me an eternity tomaster just one of those professions... not to mention both. Does anyone have some insight into the pros and cons of each? Thanks!
ZeroK0ol
Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:18 am
#2
depends on your goals.
PVP only? TKM, but have a ton of mind buffs
PVE only? Swordsman, yet again, buff ur mind if ur using a scythe. power hammers, not so much
PVP/PVE, i like Swordsman for this becuase it has a little larger range in the kinds of damage it can do vs TKM. TKM is largely kinetic until they get their heat damage knucklers which wont be out till combat balance.
I am a swordman cos i PVE for the most part and i still own in PVP with my speed sliced scythe, i can hit almost as quick as a TKM with it at my 1.9 speed, least it seems that way with the amounts of damage we do to eachother, as well as the mind hits i can do as a swordsman. Call me partial but i like swordsman, has a range of damages and does lethal damage pvp and pve
Happymob
Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:21 am
#3
Swordsman is better offensively (similar damage, but the swordsman get more flexibility in damage types). Swordsman also does a better job of attacking mind, if PvP is important to you. They are similar defensively (TKA gets better toughness, swords get center of balance that works). The biggest advantage of TKA over Sword is the meditation line (it makes a TKM incredibly self-sufficient), but being a doctor makes a lot of meditation redundant.
Combined with something other than doctor, I like TKA more. Combined with doctor, I like sword better.
Damcon
Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:34 am
#4
Happymob wrote:
Swordsman is better offensively (similar damage, but the swordsman get more flexibility in damage types). Swordsman also does a better job of attacking mind, if PvP is important to you. They are similar defensively (TKA gets better toughness, swords get center of balance that works). The biggest advantage of TKA over Sword is the meditation line (it makes a TKM incredibly self-sufficient), but being a doctor makes a lot of meditation redundant.
Combined with something other than doctor, I like TKA more. Combined with doctor, I like sword better.
I agree with most of happymobs post, I have been a Doc for a while and have mastered all the melee proffs over the past few months and swords is my favorite and my current template is doc/swords. That being said its all about what you want to do. If you want to hunt jedi, stick with the tkm/doc, in every other case I would use swords/doc.
glorydragon
Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:42 pm
#6
I havn't tryed swords, but I know I can kill a ER lair with TKM in under 4 minutes, that's killing all the rancors too not just the lair. I like TKM in pvp because it has FoW. the meditate is nice, but like somone said being a Doctor we can heal all our wounds with one pack hit. if you can get a really good VK, go TKM. I have a VK with 2.2 speed 220ish max damage /wo a pup. if you can get a good swords man weapon (never been one so I don't know what to look for) go swordsman.
NivinsBlueGlowie
Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:57 pm
#7
TKM isn't that great in pvp right now because of the insane armor, i'd say go 2h, it's the best pve proff IMO (next to rifle, which is very good in pvp too, but 2h has advantages over rifle in pve, like melee mid 3) 2h is also the best prof for killing NS, they can damage them all unlike TK or rifle.
couple other points you might want to take into consideration
- TK=AP1 , 2h=AP2
- TK, limited to kinetic dmg, 2h you get kinetic and blast (great against turrets if you pvp)
- DoT weapons, VERY rare for TK, more common with 2h
i've mastered all profs and find 2h better overall (atleast till armor gets nerfed), currently master doc/rifle
TennerRavenstar
Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:30 pm
#8
I have a TKA/Doc and a Rifle/Sword. I find the my preferances differs a lot depending on the situation.
As mentioned above, Sword does get the advantage of better AR (medium AR on both Scyth and Power Hammer), and two damage types, including the very usefull Blast Damage. One downside of Sword though is that for you to be able to attack at the speed cap you need quite a bit of extra speed from speed attackments or similar. Unless you can afford those (expect 20+ million to close in on the optimal speed) you damage pr second will typically be a fair bit lower than the full potential of sword. TKA on the other hand caps speed through the skill boxes.
The result in my experience is that TKA works better in PvE if your target has a mid or low level of kinetic resist where Sword works better if the kinetic res is in the high end. Added to that TKA has a fair bit better defences and toughness.
All in all, both are very good professions in thier own right. What the best choice is is really a matter of personal preference. In the end you can't really go wrong with either 
Darkblade101
Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:55 pm
#9
My buddy is a master swordsman and i am a tkm
We dueled and it was a even fight,we couldnt really hurt each other
But swordsman gets blast and kinetic,he can take on an elder,i can only run
Running sucks,but he got an elder to half hams and got owned by a force choke
Their specials are really strong,i like tkm tho but its just my taste.
Knocky
Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:00 am
#10
I have mastered them both, I must say it really doesn't matter which you get.
Both kick major ass.
Once the bleeds got nerfed I went back to TKM though for the meditation line since bleeds were made useless.
Dafim
Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:02 am
#11
pvp = tkm
- FOW = 2 lives
- PB gives u another 500 to ur main stats, which i find is handy on the mind
- unarmed toughness
- KD
pve = swords
- AP3
Roustabout
Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:35 am
#12
I've been both and I can speak from PVP experience that TKM is the best way to go.You get great melee and ranged defenses, plus powerboost, plus you hit the speed cap.
The single most defining thing about TKM though is the KD/DIZZY move that is available. If you land that you are at a huge advantage. I dueled a TKM the other day as M-swords and he kd/dizzied me and it seems like the /stand /cure dizzy macro isn't really working anymore so i just laid there and got my mind destroyed.
Swords has a less reliable dizzy move (area attack 3) and has no knockdown move. Also, as people have pointed out, hitting the cap is very difficult. The obvious choice is to get a scythe since you can easily hit cap with that (but then you run into the problem of it being kinetic damage).
Overall TKM will be better than swords. In a fight you'll probably be very close (since kinetic composite is easy to get) but I must say from experience I've killed far more as a TKM than as a m-swords. Oh, and accuracy is much better for TKM's which really helps against stackers.
eeseigeameo
Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:34 pm
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Hehe well i admit i only read about the first four replies so if im repeating fogive me. I have a TKM doc on Kettemoor and, while i have been tempted to switch to swordsman, I'm still a TKM doc. My only reason for even wanting to switch to swordsman is the 100% resists to kenetic damage on really high end mobs such as Night Sister Elders, which btw you cant really solo anyways anymore.
Beyond that i think TKM is far better in pvp because of its ability to lay down states and fast. It can still dish out nice amounts of damage and even target mind. Meditate isnt reduntant with Master Doctor.... it means not carrying around 6 different types of wound packs as well as healing mind wounds.
Lastly to be a good swordsman it cost LOTS and LOTS of cash, getting good scythes andpowerhammers where as TKM only requires you to find a basic VK that almost any weapons smith can make, and get about 10 sliced. Thats a couple mill fora good pvp scythe or 50k for 10 VKs.
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