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Thread: New Solo Group Revamp Will it affect Buff prices?
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RandalFarsen
Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:29 am
#2
Now, I've seen a lot of talk about raising prices on buffs from an average of 10k to 15k. My question is: Do you still want to raise 'em now that the solo groups are nerfed?
The_Strider_Family
Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:39 am
#3
Even if Solo Groups are nerfed an elite combat prof pulls missions that cost 9K per on any of the higher end planets. So you still are able to pay off your buffs on one run out of town. That still leaves you another 3 hours or more to go make some money.
I don't think this effects buff prices at all. As both an elite combat prof and a Doctor I still have no idea why people complain so much about a buff costing them 15K for 3 1/2 hours of playtime but they gladly go plunk down 150K - 200K for a suit of armor that may or may not make it thru that 3 1/2 hour period depending on what they are fighting.
Money is so easy to come by in this game it's ridiculous when I hear people complain. Those same people complaining about buff prices are the ones that gripe about a gun costing 4K when they 'supposedly' can get the same one for 3K somewhere else (but never can explain why they don't just go buy the cheaper one).
If you want to complain about the economy it's not the Doctors or the Buff pricing that are the solution.
jassi007
Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:40 am
#4
buffs price are impossible to set across all servers. There is to much difference in the economies of scale and such. On Shadowfire the acceptable norm is 12-12k for 200-2400 buffs, 12-15k for 2500+ buffs. I've heard other servers can get 20k for 2500+'s. Alot depends on the quality of buffs, how much docs have had to pay for the avian, the price packs are selling at, and so on.
The nerf isn't all that. A janta mission for 30k would cover 2 buffs. Now a 10-12k mission solo can cover .75 - 1.0 buff. Its not that big of a difference, the first mission or 2 covers the buffs. Overall, when doing missions for pure cash, before probably the 1st set covered the cost of weapons, foods, armor, buffs. Now for the total package you probably need to run 4-6 to cover those costs. The real price breaker is the armor. I'd advise melee proffs to think real hard about doing missions in lower end armor, you can get 30% kinetic mabari for dirt cheap, and with a TK's melee toughness you could tank well in it.
The nerf isn't all that. A janta mission for 30k would cover 2 buffs. Now a 10-12k mission solo can cover .75 - 1.0 buff. Its not that big of a difference, the first mission or 2 covers the buffs. Overall, when doing missions for pure cash, before probably the 1st set covered the cost of weapons, foods, armor, buffs. Now for the total package you probably need to run 4-6 to cover those costs. The real price breaker is the armor. I'd advise melee proffs to think real hard about doing missions in lower end armor, you can get 30% kinetic mabari for dirt cheap, and with a TK's melee toughness you could tank well in it.
jthompson02
Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:03 am
#5
Last night I was buffing for 30k for 2500+ buffs. Guy next to me was buffing for 12k and his buffs were 2200+ buffs. he got maybe a few more people in his line but all in all I made a nice chunk of change. After a while I lowered to 20k
RandalFarsen
Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:46 pm
#6
The_Strider_Family wrote:
Even if Solo Groups are nerfed an elite combat prof pulls missions that cost 9K per on any of the higher end planets. So you still are able to pay off your buffs on one run out of town. That still leaves you another 3 hours or more to go make some money.
I don't think this effects buff prices at all. As both an elite combat prof and a Doctor I still have no idea why people complain so much about a buff costing them 15K for 3 1/2 hours of playtime but they gladly go plunk down 150K - 200K for a suit of armor that may or may not make it thru that 3 1/2 hour period depending on what they are fighting.
Money is so easy to come by in this game it's ridiculous when I hear people complain. Those same people complaining about buff prices are the ones that gripe about a gun costing 4K when they 'supposedly' can get the same one for 3K somewhere else (but never can explain why they don't just go buy the cheaper one).
If you want to complain about the economy it's not the Doctors or the Buff pricing that are the solution.
Im not really complaining. This is an invitatio for docs to give their opinion on the matter, something I am interested in hearing. Before the nerf, some buff vendors started raising their own buff prices from 120k per set to 150k or even 180k in some cases. I am sure that armor and weapon prices will drop dramaticaly now if what I've read is true (On other boards and such), just was wondering how Docs will be affected and what people think will happen in the long run 
Bulg
Sat Nov 20, 2004 8:58 am
#7
I think any set of buffs over 2000 is worth 20k+. I think this still applies.Unfortunately buffs are essential if you want to take on anything high level. Even if you're not farming cash and just getting XP, you can either be buffed and get 4-5k xp per MOB or go balls out against a bunch of Gnorts without buffs. I was a Doc in the early part of the Solo group era and was often forced to charge 6k for buffs because that was the going rate. I stopped buffing commercially pretty quickly because It seemed ridiculous to go to all that trouble for that kind of money. I mean why would people complain about paying 10k for buffs when they's recoup that money in five minutes and without buffs it could take a half an hour to solo aJanta mission. My point is that without buffs,solo grouping for cash would have been a moot point anyway. Now that other ways of making money may be easier than hunting, buffs are still worth 20k based on the time it takes to acquire the resources and make them, plus you can always choose to hunt without them.
Bulg'mansoc
Former Master Doctor
Current fan of their work
RandalFarsen
Sun Nov 21, 2004 1:07 am
#8
Bulg wrote:
I think any set of buffs over 2000 is worth 20k+. I think this still applies.Unfortunately buffs are essential if you want to take on anything high level. Even if you're not farming cash and just getting XP, you can either be buffed and get 4-5k xp per MOB or go balls out against a bunch of Gnorts without buffs. I was a Doc in the early part of the Solo group era and was often forced to charge 6k for buffs because that was the going rate. I stopped buffing commercially pretty quickly because It seemed ridiculous to go to all that trouble for that kind of money. I mean why would people complain about paying 10k for buffs when they's recoup that money in five minutes and without buffs it could take a half an hour to solo aJanta mission. My point is that without buffs,solo grouping for cash would have been a moot point anyway. Now that other ways of making money may be easier than hunting, buffs are still worth 20k based on the time it takes to acquire the resources and make them, plus you can always choose to hunt without them.
Bulg'mansoc
Former Master Doctor
Current fan of their work
Well I havent heard of a 20k buff on Bria as of yet, but rates have been steadily increasing so that they are around 12k to 15k from 10k - 15k range. This was when you could get that back in about about a minute doing Jantas. I havent done a solo group since the nerf but from what I've heard the new minimum to get back the money is 5 minutes. If you think about it, its now about 5 minutes to get same amount it back. Now this is still pretty quick, but now as many people have opinioned is that all crafted items will go down, as in weapons and armor. So buffs will also be affected? Discuss 
Bulg
Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:47 pm
#9
I have a feeling weapons won't come down in price. Most standard high end weapons of Flurry go for 10-30k. The custom weapons that require looted components will always go for a premium, but maybe over time fewer people will have the cash the routinely spend a million + for a gun.
Armor prices may be hit a bit harder as it may no longer be practical to grind quenker missions for XP in 300k worth of armor. I don't even know if everyone does that but I usually do. Why wouldn't I when I could make the 300k back in a few hours. Now I may try to conserve more.
Also,buffs were way underpriced to begin with. Maybe I'm still bitter about people complaining about me asking 8k for buffs. If you think that's too high then you go spend 4 days punching pigeons on Talus to collect avian meat. You can't even wear composite without buffs anyway. I hope they go up in price so Doctors have an incentive to continue buffing. Most Doctors I know don't buff the public anymore. I never understood why buff prices remained relatively stable while people waited in those long lines. That seemed to defy supply and demand laws.
I think that's my point. Buffs were underpriced to begin with and while the prices have actually doubled over the past 4-6 monthsthe demand has remained the same so the increase was overdue. It's still overdue in my opinion.
Bulg'mansoc
ExperiencedPilot
Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:04 pm
#10
Giant Baz Nitch missions on Dath if you do them with no group at all wil give you 11-12k so no im not downing the prices at all...
When they were 30k we should have buffed for 30k but , too late
Anyhow I buff for free now from anyone that asks so I don't care
makittot
Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:05 pm
#11
I found a good way to make a living postnerf / postJTL. I had 6 jedi paying me very well to buff them and stay within a 4 min swoop ride from ware they were grinding.
mch21689
Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:27 pm
#12
not bad way to make money I guess makittit......if you wanna sit 1km away from jedi all the time.
I always buff for 12k. Never raise my prices never lower them. On certain days I do free buff days or half price and stuff, but it doesn't really affect my money that much. I mean how many master doc's are truly struggling to make money? If you are a poor master doctor, all you need is 30k and you can become well set finacially by getting buffed and doing missions till you have like 120k then buy u a set of buffs. Even if you are buffing for 2200 you can still charge 10k a buff and in the end make a good amount. Or just find a group doing some really tough missions (like that one to become a jedi padawan were u have to kill those 2 sith) cause they are always looking for docs to rez them. Either way I mean like alot of people have said money isnt hard to come by in the game, dont raise your buffs to 30k, just going to make others gripe, hell the guy you are buffing and charging 30k could be the ranger selling you avian next time....for like 300CPU just cause u charged him 30k. The solo nerf is going to put a slight dent in the amount players can make per buff period, but they shouldnt complain and raise prices on meat and stuff because they only made 300k and not 350k, and us docs shouldnt hike our prices up, I mean 15k is fine thats a slight increase, but 20k and 30k is through the roof. People need buffs and docs need avian meat......lets not turn this intoa cycle of who can raise their prices the highest. I have no problem telling a guy I won't pay 300CPU for Avian Meat and pretty soon people are going to realize that if they do not wanna pay 30k for buffs they dont have to, many other docs will do it for less, and usually they tend to be nicer to docs who dont charge out the roof. I have made friends with 2 rangers while buffing/talking to them, and just because I took the time to buff them when they were low on cash (back before they were master rangers) they came back and repayed me by supplying me with Avian Meat for only 110CPU. Do not turn the game into a haggling fest.....make friends!
Bulg
Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:43 pm
#13
mch21689 wrote:
...Do not turn the game into a haggling fest.....make friends!
You're right mch. Doctors should take the high road. I'm ashamed of my bitterness. However, I personally am willing to pay more for buffs if it means not waiting in long lines. I also place a high value on buffs because of the return on investment I get in the form of things that I can do with buffs that I could never do without them.
Bulg'mansoc
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